What The Hell Happened To Christianity?

[jaguarr]

You tell 'im, Bryant!

jag

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Because he's celldog come back from the World Of The Banned, so rationale doesn't apply. I thought it was against Hype rules for banned users to come back and stir the pot? I've seen plenty of people get perma-banned for it, so why is this guy being given an exception?

jag

Aaah, I remember "Celly D", I got it thanks.

IMO, Hell will be filled with people who CALL themselves Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

I'm going to go even further and just CALL that FACT.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Hes got a point. Though peoples ideas and interpretations of God can vary from person to person, as far as an afterlife goes, somebody must be wrong and somebody must be right (or everyone wrong i guess if noones guessed correctly), theres not really a middle ground.

But they want to side step that fact.

 

[raybia]

Hes got a point.

Don't you know that everyone has a point?

Though peoples ideas and interpretations of God can vary from person to person, as far as an afterlife goes, somebody must be wrong and somebody must be right (or everyone wrong i guess if noones guessed correctly), theres not really a middle ground.

No middle ground? That's a closed-minded position to hold nor is it factual. Mere speculation.

Regardless, its illogical to hold the position that everything belief we individually hold is a testimony that everyone else who holds a different belief is wrong.

Diversity of human is not a matter of someone being right and someone else being wrong.

Its about being open-minded enough to resist judging and consider the beliefs outside of our own, have an understanding on how and why others hold those beliefs and what lessons can be learned from it.

And guess what? This can be done without compromising the belief system of our choice.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Why are bashing Islam/Muslims? Did a terrorist kill someone you love?

More importantly I want you to ask yourself, WWJD? Would he attack Raybia's beliefs IN THIS MANNER? Jesus spoke with people and was able to show them what to believe by using his mannerism, his peculiarness, and his power. Are you doing/accomplishing any of this right now? He never beat up on people, and rarely raised his hands in anger. In fact he spoke adamantly against doing such things, or have you fogotten all that in your USAGE of him?

No......why are you bashing Christianity?? Did a Christian cut off your loved one's head? That's the question. Even the title of this thread is offensive!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH CHRISTIANITY?? It assume that something "is" wrong. What kind of response do you expect!?? And those to kids are hardly authorities on anything.

Punisher X just out right says that Christianity is a "MESSED UP" religion and gets away with that?? The mods obviously don't care if Christians are put down. But let's not discuss other troubled religions. Especially Islam.

 

[Memphis Slim]

No middle ground? That's a closed-minded position to hold nor is it factual. Mere speculation.

Regardless, its illogical to hold the position that everything belief we individually hold is a testimony that everyone else who holds a different belief is wrong.

Diversity of human is not a matter of someone being right and someone else being wrong.

Its about being open-minded enough to resist judging and consider the beliefs outside of our own, have an understanding on how and why others hold those beliefs and what lessons can be learned from it.

And guess what? This can be done without compromising your belief system.

That's sound sweet. But it is not logical. Jesus stand squarely opposed to the teaching of Muhammad on how one gets to heaven. There are even two different views on what heaven is like. Jesus declared himself to be God in Flesh. Islam teaches against such a thing. You cannot have it both ways.

There ain't enough "open-mindedness " to skirt around this issue, Raybia. And no, the minute you accept the other belief system, you have betrayed the other. I cannot love another woman other than my wife
and still be true. I cannot go north and south at the same time.

"Open-mindedness" is not the highest virtue. You are Muslim, I asssume....you mean to tell me that you accept Jesus as God and creator of heaven and earth? You accept His words that He is the only way to heaven?? You're open to that???

I'm finished here......this is going no where. But there is a strong bias on this board.

 

[The Overlord]

That's just a bunch of double talk and you know it. You don't have an answer. If your eternal soul's destination hinges on what or who you put your faith in, it matters very much who is right!!

Is it Muhammad & Allah or is it Jesus? It can't be both because they contradict each other strongly. And the bible tells us what Jesus said and how He lived. The Koran does not.

The concept of God is so complex, how do you know that humans have understanding of what God is? Perhaps none of the religions are right or perhaps their all right and God embodies different concepts from different faiths. Can you prove one religion is more correct than the others? If not, you're just wasting your time, if you can't prove your relgion is better than others, why are you trying to argue your case when you have no evidence to back it up?

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit...No......why are you bashing Christianity?? Did a Christian cut off your loved one's head? Even the title of this thread is offensive!! It assume that something "is" wrong.

Punisher X just out right says that Christianity is a "MESSED UP" religion and gets away with that?? But let's not discuss other troubled religions. Especially Islam.

*laughs* What?? That almost makes NO sense, which would've been an accomplishment. When did I BASH christianity? And why didn't you reply to ANY of the points/questions I asked? Regardless of the title, anyone, with a brain, can clearly see what the article and therefore this thread is truly about.

Can't you see you're doing more to prove Punisher X right, than to help him understand. Most 'religions' are messed up, but it's not soley because of the ideals, moreso the actions of the people who claim to believe.

 

[kainedamo]

That's sound sweet. But it is not logical. Jesus stand squarely opposed to the teaching of Muhammad on how one gets to heaven. There are even two different views on what heaven is like. Jesus declared himself to be God in Flesh. Islam teaches against such a thing. You cannot have it both ways.

There ain't enough "open-mindedness " to skirt around this issue, Raybia. And no, the minute you accept the other belief system, you have betrayed the other. I cannot love another woman other than my wife
and still be true. I cannot go north and south at the same time.

"Open-mindedness" is not the highest virtue. You are Muslim, I asssume....you mean to tell me that you accept Jesus as God and creator of heaven and earth? You accept His words that He is the only way to heaven?? You're open to that???

I'm finished here......this is going no where. But there is a strong bias on this board.

You came here to this thread with the sole intention of disrupting it. You've attempted to close down all rational discussion. You won't listen to what anyone has to say. You get offended very easily, my friend. There is nothing in the article in the first post that is even remotely offensive.

You have issues. You DO need help. Your judgement is clouded by anger and bias against Muslims. This thread was never even about Muslims until you made it into that.

 

[Kyalesyin]

You came here to this thread with the sole intention of disrupting it. You've attempted to close down all rational discussion. You won't listen to what anyone has to say. You get offended very easily, my friend. There is nothing in the article in the first post that is even remotely offensive.

You have issues. You DO need help. Your judgement is clouded by anger and bias against Muslims. This thread was never even about Muslims until you made it into that.

A+ response :heart:

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm not contempt to go to heaven, I have to add some sense of exclusivity to it, which Is kind of Ironic if I'm not lying about my heritage.

 

[Cracker Jack]

That's sound sweet. But it is not logical. Jesus stand squarely opposed to the teaching of Muhammad on how one gets to heaven. There are even two different views on what heaven is like. Jesus declared himself to be God in Flesh. Islam teaches against such a thing. You cannot have it both ways.

There ain't enough "open-mindedness " to skirt around this issue, Raybia. And no, the minute you accept the other belief system, you have betrayed the other. I cannot love another woman other than my wife
and still be true. I cannot go north and south at the same time.

"Open-mindedness" is not the highest virtue. You are Muslim, I asssume....you mean to tell me that you accept Jesus as God and creator of heaven and earth? You accept His words that He is the only way to heaven?? You're open to that???

I'm finished here......this is going no where. But there is a strong bias on this board.

I read this and think to myself *Here's What The Hell Happened To Christianity*

 

[jaguarr]

I read this and think to myself *Here's What The Hell Happened To Christianity*

The neo-cons got ahold of it, that's what.

jag

 

[raybia]

That's sound sweet. But it is not logical.

Sorry that its not logical for you.

Jesus stand squarely opposed to the teaching of Muhammad on how one gets to heaven.

Your understanding of Jesus does.

There are even two different views on what heaven is like. Jesus declared himself to be God in Flesh. Islam teaches against such a thing. You cannot have it both ways.

I don't have it both ways. I only believe one way, but I would never try to force my beliefs on others nor condemn them. If a person is happy as a Christian, then I think it would be wrong to try and interfere with that. Muslims and Christians can co-exist and agree to disagree on certain religion concepts just like there are concepts that we also agree to agree on.

Also the view of heaven you have is based on your understanding of the Bible. I would suspect that other Christians hold different beliefs than the one that you hold.

There ain't enough "open-mindedness " to skirt around this issue, Raybia.

I know. I'm glad you finally admit that you are lacking the ability to be open-minded.

And no, the minute you accept the other belief system, you have betrayed the other. I cannot love another woman other than my wife
and still be true. I cannot go north and south at the same time.

A person CANNOT betray a belief system that they have not accepted and made a commitment towards.

According to your logic, YOU have betrayed Islam.

"Open-mindedness" is not the highest virtue.

It may not be the highest (nor did I claim it to be) but it is a virtue. Another virtue, is tolerance towards others. "For God sent His Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

Christianity does not carry a message of intolerance or condemnation, but a message of reconciliation and salvation. However, you being a Christian would know already know that, right?

You are Muslim, I asssume....you mean to tell me that you accept Jesus as God and creator of heaven and earth?

I accept G-d as creator of the heavens and the earth. I accept Jesus as the son of Mary.

You accept His words that He is the only way to heaven?? You're open to that???

I accept that following his authentic teachings and example can lead a person to heaven. However, Heaven is not just a place but also a state of being. We can be in this state or out of it during our life on Earth.

I am open to that but I am closed to the idea that every person who doesn't accept Christianity as a religion is doomed for eternity to Hell. Sorry, but I'm just not an extermist.


I'm finished here......this is going no where.

Of course its not. Because your argument is futile and your attempts to sabotage this thread are not working, but don't quit on my account.

But there is a strong bias on this board.

Welcome to the Hype!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Can you prove one religion is more correct than the others?

The only religion so far that we can empirically prove to be false is Mormonism.

 

[Mee]

The only religion so far that we can empirically prove to be false is Mormonism.

And The Church of Alba.

 

[jaguarr]

The only religion so far that we can empirically prove to be false is Mormonism.

Are you saying that you can prove that Joseph Smith didn't REALLY see a giant white salamander in a cave that told him he was a prophet?

jag

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Are you saying that you can prove that Joseph Smith didn't REALLY see a giant white salamander in a cave that told him he was a prophet?

jag

Ha, I wish I had a time machine and could take people on the "World Religions Debunked Before Your Eyes" Tour.
But no. I'm saying that their perfect God revealed to them that the Indians of the Americas were the lost tribe of Israel and a Mormon geneticist used DNA to prove for a fact that there is no such recent relation between them and was promptly excommunicated for it.

 

[jaguarr]

Ha, I wish I had a time machine and could take people on the "World Religions Debunked Before Your Eyes" Tour.
But no. I'm saying that their perfect God revealed to them that the Indians of the Americas were the lost tribe of Israel and a Mormon geneticist used DNA to prove for a fact that there is no such recent relation between them and was promptly excommunicated for it.

Yeah! And their magic underwear doesn't really work, either!

jag

 

[kainedamo]

The only religion so far that we can empirically prove to be false is Mormonism.

Holy crap. I couldn't believe it when I read up about Mormonism. Here is a religion which is almost certainly false. A man claimed God was talking to him and read out of a hat, for crying out loud. Hard to believe it has followers.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Hmm...
Im thinking im going to have to take Memphis Slim's side in this. I must have missed his posts that are making everyone think he has anti muslim issues.

If you are in one religion and believe in one God, then you are in one religion and you believe in that one God.
Yes everyones entitled to their own opinions and their own faiths, but in order to just believe in one faith, you must deep down know that their other faiths are wrong.
I'm not saying people can't take elements from different religions and tolerate them and even learn from them.
I'm an Atheist, I don't believe Jesus was the son of a god, but I can't argue that his teachings havn't helped a lot of peoples lives and helped to shape our society in a positive way.
Christianity has helped a lot of people and been a big positive influence, but as an Atheist i can confidetly say, that deep down I know that theyre wrong and that I belive most faiths come from people wanting to belong or from people using them to try and control people.
I'm not saying people arent entitled to their own religions, I'm not saying that I can't learn a lot from their religions that can help me with my life, but im saying, as an Atheist I can admit that I know theyre wrong. Thats what faith is. If I didn't know I was right, that would just make me an Agnostic and not a true Atheist at all. If I said that I can still understand and accept other peoples religiongs anyway, id be being two faced.

As for the Afterlife.. there either is an afterlife, or there isnt. Somebodies wrong. Even if you have a different alternative of what happens in the afterlife then that still falls in to the "belief in an afterlife" category, which will be wrong if there actually isnt an afterlife.

 

[Prognosticator]

...except for when he said that he is God, and when he said that to truly follow him, you must forsake and hate your mother and father (which is oddly in direct contradiction with his own commandments), and when he broke God's law by working on the Sabbath, etc. etc.

....*out of context*.

Welhelm, aren't you a traditional Hebrew, therefore a non-messianic Jew?

If so, I wouldn't expect you to defend Jesus actions in his life.

 

[kainedamo]

Hmm...
Im thinking im going to have to take Memphis Slim's side in this. I must have missed his posts that are making everyone think he has anti muslim issues.

If you are in one religion and believe in one God, then you are in one religion and you believe in that one God.
Yes everyones entitled to their own opinions and their own faiths, but in order to just believe in one faith, you must deep down know that their other faiths are wrong.
I'm not saying people can't take elements from different religions and tolerate them and even learn from them.
I'm an Atheist, I don't believe Jesus was the son of a god, but I can't argue that his teachings havn't helped a lot of peoples lives and helped to shape our society in a positive way.
Christianity has helped a lot of people and been a big positive influence, but as an Atheist i can confidetly say, that deep down I know that theyre wrong and that I belive most faiths come from people wanting to belong or from people using them to try and control people.
I'm not saying people arent entitled to their own religions, I'm not saying that I can't learn a lot from their religions that can help me with my life, but im saying, as an Atheist I can admit that I know theyre wrong. Thats what faith is. If I didn't know I was right, that would just make me an Agnostic and not a true Atheist at all. If I said that I can still understand and accept other peoples religiongs anyway, id be being two faced.

As for the Afterlife.. there either is an afterlife, or there isnt. Somebodies wrong. Even if you have a different alternative of what happens in the afterlife then that still falls in to the "belief in an afterlife" category, which will be wrong if there actually isnt an afterlife.

You don't know that you are right. You can't say with absolute certainty that God doesn't exist. And that is coming from an athiest. The existence of God, I think, will always be impossible to prove either way. So you don't know, you only think.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

So you don't know, you only think.

no i believe.. thats what faith is all about

 

[bored]

....*out of context*.

Welhelm, aren't you a traditional Hebrew, therefore a non-messianic Jew?

If so, I wouldn't expect you to defend Jesus actions in his life.

Wilhelm's Jewish?