What The Hell Happened To Fighting?

[CorpusBlack]

Id pick UFC/MMA/BOXING over any type of Martial Arts anyday

Does boxing still exist?

 

[BatSpider]

Does boxing still exist?

Yes, why think it does not?

Even though Mayweather was in a fight at WRESTLEMANIA 24

 

[CorpusBlack]

Yes, why think it does not?

Even though Mayweather was in a fight at WRESTLEMANIA 24

I think UFC is stealing it's thunder.

 

[BatSpider]

I think UFC is stealing it's thunder.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I think UFC is stealing it's thunder.

as it should...boxing is boring compared to MMA, imo.

 

[BatSpider]

as it should...boxing is boring compared to MMA, imo.

That is true

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

This all started with "The Phantom Menace".

 

[CorpusBlack]

This all started with "The Phantom Menace".

 

[CorpusBlack]

as it should...boxing is boring compared to MMA, imo.

I honestly think MMA will eventually topple boxing. It sucks due to boxing's great tradition, but MMA is truly the total package. I believe it is the future of professional fighting.

 

[Dangerous]

Re: MMA verses Boxing-

Boxing will always have the bigger audience and generate WAAAAYYYY more money.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Re: MMA verses Boxing-

Boxing will always have the bigger audience and generate WAAAAYYYY more money.

Always is like Never in my book.

 

[Leto Atrides]

MMA is constantly evolving, granted there are a lot of sloppy fighters, but the ones who dominate, and will continue to do so are the most well rounded fighters.

MMA is about effectiveness more then it is about the beauty and grace of the moves, although there is some of that too.
Long ago, boxing got punching right.
It's about the dispersal of weight from your heals, up through your body, etcetera. Not about mimicking an spiders movement.
Its about maximizing the effectiveness of the human body.

As soon as you limit yourself, your doomed.

If you want to be a deadly efficient streetfighter, learn some boxing, muay thai, bjj, and some ninjutsu when things need to get really nasty.

This is the thing though. Yes, Jui Jitsu and Muay Thai better replicate real fighting and would serve you better in one, and probably better physically train you. But that's not necessarily the point in martial arts. A lot of it is about cultural tradition, style and aesthetics, refining skill sets, etc.

I think of it like modern fencing (which is a martial art, but you know what I mean). Is that anything like how people (used to) fight with rapiers/sabres, or any kind of sword? Of course not, but the point is not to show you could win a real sword duel, the point is to have a set method of doing something and see how masterfully you can do it within those constraints.

What I'm trying to say is, let's call them, "traditional" and "practical" styles are apples and oranges and comparing them on standards of usefulness is kind of faulty (even though I'm sure there are plenty of people that think their ancient Mongolian hermit crab fighting style is actually a very useful thing in a real fight, which is a much worse assumption to make).

Also, complete aside, but isn't like half of Ninjitsu how to make flash powder and spy on people and ride hores? I mean I know there's a physical component but it seems more worthwhile to just study Krav Maga or something if you're intending to really hurt people if things get tough.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

It's not the martial art, but rather the martial artist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBdtzh8y7sc&feature=related

There's nothing impressing about that guy at all, really. He's very predictable (most of them put their guards up in time, they just didn't have very good guards). Also, he fell all over himself with almost every kick. The minute I saw that in my fights, the opponent was done. I'm not even a pro. That's pretty amateur ****.

Alright heres the deal with putting the hands up in Tae Kwon Do. I would know, I've been PA state champ a few times back in the day. In old school TKD, mainly for self defense, but also in sparring, the hands will be up because you use only the basic strikes there and need to do what is possible for self defense. In Olympic style, which you see in the videos no one has their hands up and it isn't really necessary to do so. Also that leaves your body open to kicks. It is a highly techincal sport a lot of extremely fast movement on the balls of the feet and fakes and feints all throughout the fight.

I was trained at a traditional school that labeled atself as olympic but really only because it taught the olympic martial arts in TKD and Judo. The first time I went to nationals I went in there with the traditional style, throwing kicks everywhich way not trying to fake the guy out or anything. I might have had my hands up but I don't like to watch the tape of the fight. I got blown out though. It is definitely a defense first sport but if your hands are up you will be getting pumelled to the body the entire fight. It is a lot more than only 70% kicks. I fared much better my second time at nationals.

Cliffs
Two types of TKD-
old school for self defense- hands up
olympic style- hands not up, very technical
olympic style is a sport before a martial art but it is very explosive

TKD isn't a martial art anymore, it's a sport (and btw, martial arts are not sports). Old school TKD, yeah, I've seen that stuff, and it was some pretty hardcore kicking, and very good fighting. These days? Like I said, they're doing nothing more than dancing.

Why would they take shots to the face the way they do, instead of keeping their guards up and taking the shots to the lower body? Their logic makes no sense to me whatsoever, and it's obvious it doesn't work. What they're doing is not fighting.

Well the first video was a bunch of videos from tournaments which probably have a very specific set of rules as to what's allowed. Plus it's edited to show the flashiest kicks, those might not have even been the best fighters just the flashiest.

The second was kinda boring, the guy got tackled, and slammed weirdly. Fall on your head and see how badass you feel.

First off, ever been to a TKD tournament, or even a class? Every one that I've watched has been that same crap, and it's not effective. Flashy rarely means effective. First, spinning in a fight is just suicidal in the first place. Second, leaving the ground unless you have to is suicidalX10. All of these multiplies even more if you have an experienced opponent.

Second, I'd rather be a boring-to-watch yet successful fighter. That second video shows what fighting really is, the first doesn't. Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of martial arts or fighting? I'm honestly not trying to sound like an *******, it just seems like you're new to the subject.

Id pick UFC/MMA/BOXING over any type of Martial Arts anyday

UFC/MMA/Boxing ARE martial arts, dude.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

as it should...boxing is boring compared to MMA, imo.

and spending 5 minutes on the ground trying to lock in submissions isn't boring?

 

[DorkyFresh]

and spending 5 minutes on the ground trying to lock in submissions isn't boring?

as if boxing doesn't have it's slow moments. the difference is that the highlight reel for boxing consists of hard hits, while the highlight reel for MMA consists of kicks, knees, elbows, slams AND hits.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I find them equally boring. No discrimination.

 

[Superman4ever]

I want to learn Pencak Silat, so badly.

Man if I could, I'd go all Bruce Wayne on Silat and move to Indonesia and learn for the masters in some remote forest.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I want to learn Pencak Silat, so badly.

Man if I could, I'd go all Bruce Wayne on Silat and move to Indonesia and learn for the masters in some remote forest.

There's a guy near me who is a Silat master. He also trained in Jeet Kune Do directly under 4 of Bruce Lee's best students. I saw him do a private demonstration and it was sick. I may start training with him. I don't like training with classes however and the one on one sessions are a bit pricey.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

There's a guy near me who is a Silat master. He also trained in Jeet Kune Do directly under 4 of Bruce Lee's best students. I saw him do a private demonstration and it was sick. I may start training with him. I don't like training with classes however and the one on one sessions are a bit pricey.

Classes are the best way to learn, dude. You can't really learn your stuff well unless you have a variety of people to practice on and to be practiced on by.

 

[Scooter]

Vasquez/Marquez 1
Vasquez/Marquez 2

This was all from March 2008:
Vasquez/Marquez 3
Pacquiao/Marquez 2
Round 7 of Lee/Vera
Casamayor/Katsidis

 

[The Evolutionist]

I used to box, but most of my fight experience is just straight up brawling. About a week ago got into a fight with an MMA guy. He tried to grab me and bring me down to the ground by grabbing my arm and wrapping his legs around my waist. It felt like he was trying to twist me down, but he didn't seem to understand that physics just wasn't going to allow it, seeing as he was quite a bit smaller than I was. He refused to let go, however, and I ended up having to slam him into the wall a few times to break the hold.

Based on what I've seen, MMA is really dependent on the other guy playing along to a certain extent.

 

[3dman27]

It's not the martial art, but rather the martial artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBdtzh8y7sc&feature=related

thank you for a well phrased piece of philosopy zero_vault

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I used to box, but most of my fight experience is just straight up brawling. About a week ago got into a fight with an MMA guy. He tried to grab me and bring me down to the ground by grabbing my arm and wrapping his legs around my waist. It felt like he was trying to twist me down, but he didn't seem to understand that physics just wasn't going to allow it, seeing as he was quite a bit smaller than I was. He refused to let go, however, and I ended up having to slam him into the wall a few times to break the hold.

Based on what I've seen, MMA is really dependent on the other guy playing along to a certain extent.

Well, that's that one particular guy that you fought. Just like any martial artist- if you want to be a good all-around fighter, you've got to be good all-around. You can't rely on a single hold, or in an even broader aspect, holding in general, to always win your fights. You've got to have a wide array of skills to be dominant.