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Cyclops said:
My question about Gargan-Venom is... shouldn't his strength be somewhere in like, Hulk-class? If the symbiote gave normal guy Eddie Brock Spider-Man powers, shouldn't it give "guy with Scorpion powers" Spider-Man powers ATOP Scorpion-powers?

Or am I just being too logical here?

It was once said that the symbiote only enhanced Brock's strength, and not Peter's, because Peter already had genetic irregularities that caused his super-human strength, so I'm assuming it would work the same for Gargan.
There was a thread on here about it before...
 
No the symbiote should return to Brock and make the one true Venom, and then put him in hiding until someone can come up with good idea's, because if you can't think of a good way to use a character then don't use them. Instead of merging two different characters together.

That is just an opinion.
 
SouLeSS said:
Carnage has only been in what, like 5 story arcs?
There are many other Carnage spin off stories outside of SM arcs

Dangerous said:
So making such comparisons as the one above just seem childish and inane.

Try thinking about what you are going to type before you type it.

Not really, Venom could have been combined with any villian, How is symbiote Scorpion that much different than Symbiote Doc Oc??



Im sure more people would object to it because that villain happens to be more popular than the Scorpion, but does it make it all the more "Childish and insane" to say??
 
Dangerous said:
You don’t like Venom/Scorps fair enuf, but Venom had become whack and VenomIII was just a way of combining doing something interesting and fresh w/ Venom while harking back to what the symbiote was originally designed to do- jump hosts.
Im fine with it as a temporary change now that Brock might come back,
but when I first learned of new Gargan Venom I had thought that Brock was dead at the time so I hated the idea that this would be the new and perminent version of Venom. I didn't really learn that he survived until recently (don't know why). I don't hate the idea of a change like this but if it really was going to be perminent I'd be pretty anoyed. Then again, even if Brock didn't survive Venom could still be returned to Brock somehow..... I mean these are comics we're talking about, anybody can come back if the writer really wants them too.
Shin-Natsume said:
dock ock was once a woman (another version), in a game there was dock octocarnage (pc, n64 and psx), green goblin came back from the dead, another green goblin was once a hero... do i have to continue...?

Those weren't 616 cannon tho (besides GG coming back)
Dangerous said:
You don’t have to be sorry about your opinion.

That’s what were here for, to share them.

I don know if you are aware of this, but it was the original intention of David Michelinie (co-creator of Venom) that shortly after Venom’s initial appearances in ASM, the symbiote would jump hosts and bond w/ someone else. As it turned out Venom/Brock became mega popular in the early 90’s so Marvel directed Michelinie to keep the symbiote/Brock union in tact.



By 2004 the Venom/Brock character had suffered from bad/contradictory writing for a number of years, so I guess Marvel just wanted to clear the slate. And why not, the character was not going anywhere and each subsequent story made no sense in light of his previous exploits.

The writers/editorial decided to give him a hiatus until he could be effectively used.

Good idea if you ask me.



See, the Hype is littered w/ hundreds of Venom people, w/ handles like ‘Venom-Teeth’ and ‘Venom-spew’ and ‘Venom-Roxors’, (btw- I’m not saying that all of you are 15 yr old noobs who don know anything about continuity, hahahahah) but if you knew anything about the comics then you would know that it was best to put the character on Ice for a bit until a writer came along who knew what to do w/ him.



Personally I would say that Venom/Brock has run his course and we don need him in comics anymore.

The simple reason he was so potent in the beginning was that he was a real threat to PP’s life, probably the biggest focused threat on his existence since the Green Goblin.

Once Venom had failed to kill SM a few times, his threat/potency had worn off.

The character was nullified and pointless as he was no longer a real danger.

Once the readers knew Venom was not going to kill SM, Why carry on w/ it?

All it does is wear out/diminish/fade a once great legacy.

Like an old heavyweight boxer, long since past his prime yet unable to realise it’s over.







Let’s be serious, this would never happen.

The Venom/Brock situation was pretty unique because-



1) His powers are basically his suit which is alive, thus if the suit is removed from Brock they can basically be adhered to anyone the suit chooses to bond with.



2) Venom/Brock’s last few arcs made no sense in light of each other.

In ‘The Hunger’-SSM Vol2 #1-6 Brock was apparently bonded permanently w/ the symbiote at the end of the arc so that he could never be separated. Then in MKSM he decides he wants to auction it off. This should not have been possible, but at least the writers (or more specifically Millar) wanted to draw a line under all of what had gone before.



3)Finally like I said earlier, the symbiote was originally intended to jump host way back in the day.

So it’s not like it’s a stupid idea or makes no sense.

This is what the creators of Venom originally envisioned for him!


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Still, he has been built up into a great villain as Brock since his creation,

and my point is that I like the scorpion as a villain and I like Venom as one too, but there are other ways to revive Venom than to combine these two
 
The problem with gargan is that they wont write him like all of spideys other villians. They need to give gargan an arc if they intend to keep him as venom for a while. Reducing him to 1 appeareance will create the very problem venom and so we got all the damn ****ed up symbiotes.
 
WTFimVENOM said:
Those weren't 616 cannon tho (besides GG coming back)

The female Doc Ock was. Carolyn Trainer became Doctor Octopus II after Kaine killed Otto in the Clone Saga.

The only example that wasn't canon was Doc Ock becoming "infected" by the Carnage symbiote at the end of Activision's original Spider-Man game.

Just pointing that out is all - I don't have an opinion on this issue one way or another.
 
i think the Gargan Venom look ROCKS!!
it's much creepier, and he looks less like an orca whale now
 
Eddie Brock Jr. said:
i think the Gargan Venom look ROCKS!!
it's much creepier, and he looks less like an orca whale now
What?? Orca whales dn't scare you!?!?:eek: :D
 
****! This whole thread title is a SPOILAH!! Thanks alot. Is there a smiley for flipping the bird?
 
WTFimVENOM said:
What?? Orca whales dn't scare you!?!?:eek: :D
not as much as Venom should
and does

Gargan-Venom is amazingly drawn in CW 4
 
Some guy at Gamefaqs posted this

e85guys.jpg
 
Okay, now that I've just purchased and read this issue, I'll put my two cents in: Venom with eyes is the least of this issue's problems.
 
Eddie Brock Jr. said:
not as much as Venom should
and does

Gargan-Venom is amazingly drawn in CW 4
Still, his new look is way to spawn like, its like they couldn't think of anything more to do than screw around with the spider logo so they copied McFarlane....
By the way, Im not saying that Venom switching hosts is a terrible idea when I stated how much I dislike Gargan, I just think it could have been handled much better....
 
WTFimVENOM said:
Still, his new look is way to spawn like, its like they couldn't think of anything more to do than screw around with the spider logo so they copied McFarlane....
By the way, Im not saying that Venom switching hosts is a terrible idea when I stated how much I dislike Gargan, I just think it could have been handled much better....

McFarlane helped invent Venom. So it is only natural someone would copy his style. Just like some artists copy Romita's style or Ditko's.
And personally I had always thought that Spawn was always drawn like Venom and Spidey.
 
it's not copying when McFarlane created him
besides, it's the best Venom has looked in a while
i'll take this:
e85guys.jpg


over this:
AmazingSpider-Man460.jpg
 
Those two drawings aren't really the same in terms of quality, post a pic of Gargan/Venom's first appearence for a better compairison with that Venom pic
 
I dunno. Personally the only problem I have with the new Venom look is the white Spider logo.*
I really like the eyes on the mask.
 
WTFimVENOM said:
Not really, Venom could have been combined with any villian, How is symbiote Scorpion that much different than Symbiote Doc Oc??

If Doc Ock were to bond with the symbiote, he would be WAY different than Gargan Venom. Gargan and Octavius are two TOTALLY different characters. Gargan is basically a super-powered thug, while Ock is an evil genius. You don't think giving an evil mastermind superpowers on top of his tentacles would make him more formidable than the current Venom? Doc Ock with the symbiote would potentially be the most bad ass villain of all time.
 
WTFimVENOM said:
230px-ScorpionVenom.png

Here is the pic I was talking about.... and he sucks :p
I see what you mean about the spawn looking eyes, and I agree.
 
Feature said:
If Doc Ock were to bond with the symbiote, he would be WAY different than Gargan Venom. Gargan and Octavius are two TOTALLY different characters. Gargan is basically a super-powered thug, while Ock is an evil genius. You don't think giving an evil mastermind superpowers on top of his tentacles would make him more formidable than the current Venom? Doc Ock with the symbiote would potentially be the most bad ass villain of all time.
No I mean would it be any more CRaZy of an idea???
 

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