What we know so far!!!

[Cracker Jack]

That's just plagiarism of the great Stan Lee

Exactly t:

 

[antsiou]

i believe Davids run and Hulk grey were the only ones that actually showed and dealt with what hapened to Bruce as a child, other may have just talked about it but those two were only ones i think that went back in time and dealt with it.

For me, Bruce's past it a very important part of Hulk, i'm sorry but radiation kills, fullstop. Why would a guy like Bruce be so angry?...these are questions that need to be answered IMO.

You're making a good and valid point here. (except for radiation, as we need a chosen one, and it has to be Bruce Banner, why? now we need some solid background)
one of the good thing from Ang's was tying things together...
now for TIH, I believe the origin will explain some of this, (re-boot), but won;t be the focus point of the story.

 

[TheAbomination]

yes it does, you cant just say "here's a very angry man, he gets hit with radiation and look what happens to him".

That is basically it. His childhood could consist of getting beaten, being afraid, and being a very angry fellow. That wouldn't work, because he's angry because of the radiation and the disease growing inside of him. The disease that's keeping him away from his one true love. That would provoke a lot of anger.

 

[Sava]

You're making a good and valid point here. (except for radiation, as we need a chosen one, and it has to be Bruce Banner, why? now we need some solid background)
one of the good thing from Ang's was tying things together...
now for TIH, I believe the origin will explain some of this, (re-boot), but won;t be the focus point of the story.

which is a good thing, there have like 3 characters in there that need lots of story time.

 

[Sava]

That is basically it. His childhood could consist of getting beaten, being afraid, and being a very angry fellow. That wouldn't work, because he's angry because of the radiation and the disease growing inside of him. The disease that's keeping him away from his one true love. That would provoke a lot of anger.

but the disease only starts after him being bombarded by radiation, you cant use anger as an excuse for him surviving the radiation when it hit him before he really has anything to be angry about. You cant say he's angry cause he cant tell Betty how much he loves her, thats just him being shy.

 

[TheAbomination]

but the disease only starts after him being bombarded by radiation, you cant use anger as an excuse for him surviving the radiation when it hit him before he really has anything to be angry about. You cant say he's angry cause he cant tell Betty how much he loves her, thats just him being shy.

But his anger would derive from the beast growing inside of him. He isn't being shy about Betty, he doesn't want to put her life at risk with his.

 

[Sava]

But his anger would derive from the beast growing inside of him. He isn't being shy about Betty, he doesn't want to put her life at risk with his.

how is the beast created?... is Hulk already in Bruce before the gama bomb or are you talking about him after the bomb. What i'm trying to say is that, his past explains why Bruse survives and why Hulk is the way he is. Thats why its important.

 

[TheAbomination]

how is the beast created?... is Hulk already in Bruce before the gama bomb or are you talking about him after the bomb. What i'm trying to say is that, his past explains why Bruse survives and why Hulk is the way he is. Thats why its important.

Better left unsaid. We'll never know why Bruce truly survived the Gamma radiation. They should focus more on the beast within Bruce, fueling the anger more, giving a purpose for what he's doing.

 

[Sava]

Better left unsaid. We'll never know why Bruce truly survived the Gamma radiation. They should focus more on the beast within Bruce, fueling the anger more, giving a purpose for what he's doing.

why?... its been said in the comics, plus, other than a few people who love the comics and will buy that, there are people out there who want to know WHY he survived, anyone with half a brain knows that radiation kills, why is Bruce so angry? why is he so afaird to get attached to anyone? why is he always trying to protect? (as much as i dont buy the BS reason for him creating the gama bomb, that actually shows really well what Bruce's childhood did to him). I'm sorry but if you dont explain why he survives, people will just laugh.

 

[Cracker Jack]

i believe Davids run and Hulk grey were the only ones that actually showed and dealt with what hapened to Bruce as a child, other may have just talked about it but those two were only ones i think that went back in time and dealt with it.

There was also TIH 225-227 Doc Samson hypnotizes the Hulk and starts his psychoanalysis. The doctor believed that Hulk and Bruce were the same person. But the session reveals that Bruce and Hulk are two different persons.

 

[Sava]

There was also TIH 225-227 Doc Samson hypnotizes the Hulk and starts his psychoanalysis. The doctor believed that Hulk and Bruce were the same person. But the session reveals that Bruce and Hulk are two different persons.

nothing else?... as in, do they find out about his father?

 

[Cracker Jack]

nothing else?... as in, do they find out about his father?

No. It show the Hulk reliving Banners childhood, teen and college years. It's pretty cool when the Hulk ends up at gamma base the day of the explosing and hold Banner by the throat. I've looked for that pix but can't find it. I think 227 is the issue where the Hulk kills Thor and just everyone else in an attempt to get to Banner.

 

[antsiou]

No. It show the Hulk reliving Banners childhood, teen and college years. It's pretty cool when the Hulk ends up at gamma base the day of the explosing and hold Banner by the throat. I've looked for that pix but can't find it. I think 227 is the issue where the Hulk kills Thor and just everyone else in an attempt to get to Banner.

like dead, kapout, bye bye???

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

There was also TIH 225-227 Doc Samson hypnotizes the Hulk and starts his psychoanalysis. The doctor believed that Hulk and Bruce were the same person. But the session reveals that Bruce and Hulk are two different persons.

Not exactly... Bruce and Hulk are 3 different persons.

 

[Cracker Jack]

like dead, kapout, bye bye???

Yes, but it all happens in The Hulks mind. He picks up the Mjolnir and tosses it and kills the original Avengers trying to get to Banner.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Not exactly... Bruce and Hulk are 3 different persons.

I didn't write the comic. They said two different persons not me. Although that's the way I see it t:

 

[antsiou]

Yes, but it all happens in The Hulks mind. He picks up the Mjolnir and tosses it and kills the original Avengers trying to get to Banner.

OK, thanks for the clarification, I was a bit like, no it didn't happen... no waay

 

[Cracker Jack]

If you get the chance check out those issues. They were a major turning point in O'l Greenskins life. Long before we knew everything about everything t:

 

[antsiou]

If you get the chance check out those issues. They were a major turning point in O'l Greenskins life. Long before we knew everything about everything t:

Long before i was born....
And i know nothing about nothing (that's what i told the cops t

 

[Golgo-13]

sorry but its an unfair comparison, Bruce Wayne had Ninja training, thats like the coolest thing ever, Bruce Banner has...what?

all jokes aside. Wayne's way into becoming Batman is way more intersting that Banner's way into becoming Hulk. Anyway you look at it.

Ninja training doesn't equal to cool. I could name several movies that suck, and have Ninja training.

Bruce Banner has..? What did Bixby have..? That's was Banner has, and fans loved it and love it still, up until this day.

 

[Sava]

Ninja training doesn't equal to cool. I could name several movies that suck, and have Ninja training.

Bruce Banner has..? What did Bixby have..? That's was Banner has, and fans loved it and love it still, up until this day.

wayne had ninja training and other cool stuff, yeah there are s**t movies with ninja's in them but in BB they did it right.

Banner just doesnt have an interestign past like Bruce wayne does, its all one big sad scene with Banner and Wayne has like one sad scene then cool training sequences, ninja stuff, him creating the bat suit.

 

[Malus]

why?... its been said in the comics, plus, other than a few people who love the comics and will buy that, there are people out there who want to know WHY he survived, anyone with half a brain knows that radiation kills, why is Bruce so angry? why is he so afaird to get attached to anyone? why is he always trying to protect? (as much as i dont buy the BS reason for him creating the gama bomb, that actually shows really well what Bruce's childhood did to him). I'm sorry but if you dont explain why he survives, people will just laugh.

He survives because he just does, the same way Peter Parker and the FF survived their own exposure to radiation. That may require some suspension of disbelief, but so be it. The whole concept requires that, whether they include all the dismal absusive father crap or not.

Count me among those who don't want to re-visit the abusive father stuff as part and parcel of the Hulk's origins. It may be official canon, but it's revisionist and had no part in Lee & Kirby's original vision. Plus I think it'll stop this movie dead in its tracks. I would have loved to see everything dad-related excised from Ang Lee's Hulk. For me, all the supressed memories/Daddy killed Mommy crap ruined the whole film for me.

Lee & Kirby were crafting a contemporary reworking of the Frankenstein monster story. I believe that's where the Hulk's appeal lies. I don't think most moviegoers (and certainly most parents) want more of the disturbing abusive father melodrama that drug down the 2003 film.

Just my two cents.

 

[Sava]

He survives because he just does, the same way Peter Parker and the FF survived their own exposure to radiation. That may require some suspension of disbelief, but so be it. The whole concept requires that, whether they include all the dismal absusive father crap or not.

Count me among those who don't want to re-visit the abusive father stuff as part and parcel of the Hulk's origins. It may be official canon, but it's revisionist and had no part in Lee & Kirby's original vision. Plus I think it'll stop this movie dead in its tracks. I would have loved to see everything dad-related excised from Ang Lee's Hulk. For me, all the supressed memories/Daddy killed Mommy crap ruined the whole film for me.

Lee & Kirby were crafting a contemporary reworking of the Frankenstein monster story. I believe that's where the Hulk's appeal lies. I don't think most moviegoers (and certainly most parents) want more of the disturbing abusive father melodrama that drug down the 2003 film.

Just my two cents.

what drug down Ang's movie was his s**ty pacing, not the story. Kids are well aware of abuse these days, this is not the 50's. Kids learn of all sorts of things at a very young age. Its fine that you dont want to see all these things in the movie, i do/did.

 

[Malus]

what drug down Ang's movie was his s**ty pacing, not the story. Kids are well aware of abuse these days, this is not the 50's. Kids learn of all sorts of things at a very young age. Its fine that you dont want to see all these things in the movie, i do/did.

Your opinion. I found the pacing fine.
The Daddy-killed-Mommy-now-he's-trying-to-kill-me psychobabble bullcrap is what killed it for me.

And even if "Kids are well aware of abuse these days" that doesn't make it appropriate subject matter for a film that was largely marketed to a young audience.(Hulk hands, coloring books, action figures, etc etc) I can't count the number of times I've heard the same thing from parents who took their kids to Lee's misfire.
A nod to the abusive father as a causative factor would have been sufficient. But to me, the film reveled in its more unpleasant elements, right down to the murky "can anyone tell what's happening?" finale.


I think audiences wanted something closer to the CBS tv series as far as the Banner characterization and overall feel. But they also want to see the Hulk smash a lot of stuff. And fight a real villain instead of his conveniently super-charged abusive Dad.

Ughh- I'd managed to put most of that film out of my head.
I'm hoping the new film will help erase it permenantly.

 

[Sava]

Your opinion. I found the pacing fine.
The Daddy-killed-Mommy-now-he's-trying-to-kill-me psychobabble bullcrap is what killed it for me.

ofcourse its my opinion, never said it was fact. IMO, what happen to Bruce as a child is important to Hulk and what happens after the accident.

And even if "Kids are well aware of abuse these days" that doesn't make it appropriate subject matter for a film that was largely marketed to a young audience.(Hulk hands, coloring books, action figures, etc etc) I can't count the number of times I've heard the same thing from parents who took their kids to Lee's misfire.

lol, i agree with this, Marvel wanted to make money, saw that Hulk was very popular and marketed it regardless of what the story in the first movie was.

A nod to the abusive father as a causative factor would have been sufficient. But to me, the film reveled in its more unpleasant elements, right down to the murky "can anyone tell what's happening?" finale.

agreed again, it would have worked better with the general audience but i dont really see anything that was that bad in Ang's story that the kids wouldnt have seen in any other PG 13 movie.

I think audiences wanted something closer to the CBS tv series as far as the Banner characterization and overall feel. But they also want to see the Hulk smash a lot of stuff. And fight a real villain instead of his conveniently super-charged abusive Dad.

the TV series only got Banner right IMO but that show has really screwed up the fans. People actually complained that Hulk leaped so far , this is the kinda crap you wont get happening to Spidey.

Ughh- I'd managed to put most of that film out of my head.
I'm hoping the new film will help erase it permenantly.

Hope you enjoy the new film, so far it looks like it'll be good.