TIH as a Sequel to Hulk '03

[myway]

This is thread to see how many people think TIH can viewed as a loose sequel to Hulk '03. I think it can and I thought a lot of people felt the same way but it came up on the Superman boards and I'm feeling like an outcast, haha. In no particular order and without getting to formalistic about it, there seems to me to be a list of evidence that supports TIH as a loose sequel. For starters, TIH has hardly any backstory shown in the movie. It seemed to me like the filmmakers assumed people saw Hulk '03 and rather than retread that ground they simply refered to it and crowbarred in the whole Super Soldier Serum aspect to tie the movie in with the planned Avengers movie. Bruce's relationship past relationship with Betty as well as the animus between Bruce and Gen Ross is basically mentioned in passing in TIH and again, this was all shown in Hulk '03 so it seems logical to conclude to me that if you want to see that playout, you can watch Hulk '03. Also, Hulk '03 ends with the Hulk known as a military threat on the lam in Brazil whereas TIH begins in the same place. All these points are looking at the two finished products of the movies in and of themselves without even beginning to go into the production history of TIH. Let's not forget the fact that TIH was originally going to be direct sequel to Hulk '03; the director has even said this. It seems to me like the two movies are inevitably linked, even if it's in a loose sense.

 

[Warhammer]

It's not.

 

[myway]

It's not.

Great insight, way to tackle the issue head on. Responses like this make me..... Jk buddy, if that's your opinion then cool, that's the point of this thread. Anybody wanna give a more detailed reason/address my points specifically?

 

[Sarg92]

It isn't a sequel.

Penn's original script was more of a loose sequel like you said but when Norton made rewrites he wanted this film as a reboot,restart, new franchise, nothing to do with Ang's Hulk.

And you say TIH didn't have much backstory, well in the film the characters are fully formed and we learn of them and the past through dialogue and flashbacks. Norton said he intentionally left things out so they can bring them up in sequels. He envisioned TIH as a franchise and intended TIH to be chapter 1. So say if TIH was to be a three film franchise then the entire story will wrap up in chapter 3 I guess and we will have learned much more about the characters and such.

 

[Cracker Jack]

And i hope Norton and Frenchy gets their chance Sarg.

Here's something to consider

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=9131039&postcount=1

 

[Sarg92]

And i hope Norton and Frenchy gets their chance Sarg.

Me too CJ.

Marvel got such a great talented actor who is so passionate about the character and can also write a good script and they also have a rising talented director who can film great action and drama with a unique camera style and is also passionate about the character. Marvel can't just forget about all of that.

TIH2: Get the director and cast back and let Norton write it from the very first letter along with Leterrier adding in ideas, similar to the Iron Man 2 approach with Favreau, Downey Jr and Thearox.

 

[Cracker Jack]

TIH2: Get the director and cast back and let Norton write it from the very first letter along with Leterrier adding in ideas, similar to the Iron Man 2 approach with Favreau, Downey Jr and Thearox.

Now ya got me all excited to watch the movie Sarg. And I can't until next Tuesday.

I would love to see where Norton and Frenchy would/will take the big guy. Leaving the door open for the Leader the way they did only adds to the fire. And what happened to Abomy? Where'd they take him and how are they keeping him underwraps? Will the Hulk bump into Wolvie? Iron Man or maybe the F4! Oh the possibilities are endless.

 

[Swordmaster]

The relationship between Bruce and Betty in TIH is inconsistent with the way it's portrayed as in Hulk '03 as well. On a related note, in this one, Bruce isn't as emotionally bottled-up as he is in the 2003 film.

 

[dcHulk]

In my opinion, cannot be considered to be even a close sequel. LL has said before in interviews that he didn't want to do a sequel to "Hulk". Marvel then made it perfectly clear with him that TiH was not a sequel, but a "do-over" (See above comments and the link provided). Before the Marvel edits, TiH opens in the Arctic, not in Brazil. As said before, the relationship between Betty and Bruce is very different. In Hulk, they were separated lovers working together in a lab. In TiH, Bruce runs from Betty because he hurt her...badly. The origin of the Hulk in the opening credits is also completely different than the entire story in Ang's movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I dont consider TIH to be a sequel to Hulk in any way at all, they are just 2 different takes on the same character to me.

 

[co2]

Me too CJ.

Marvel got such a great talented actor who is so passionate about the character and can also write a good script and they also have a rising talented director who can film great action and drama with a unique camera style and is also passionate about the character. Marvel can't just forget about all of that.

TIH2: Get the director and cast back and let Norton write it from the very first letter along with Leterrier adding in ideas, similar to the Iron Man 2 approach with Favreau, Downey Jr and Thearox.

I agree with all of that.

On the sequel question......

I've been very vocal to the point of being redundant about how I wished TIH was made as a sequel to Hulk. Alas, I have to acknowledge that it cannot be considered so. If the movie had simply removed the re-origin aspect, which was barely there anyway, then TIH could definitely be considered a sequel. As it stands...no.

 

[myway]

I agree with all of that.

On the sequel question......

I've been very vocal to the point of being redundant about how I wished TIH was made as a sequel to Hulk. Alas, I have to acknowledge that it cannot be considered so. If the movie had simply removed the re-origin aspect, which was barely there anyway, then TIH could definitely be considered a sequel. As it stands...no.

That's my point though. It was barely there and everything else fits.

 

[co2]

That's my point though. It was barely there and everything else fits.

But as you have acknowledged..it's there, which kind of removes any question.

 

[Sarg92]

That's my point though. It was barely there and everything else fits.

But Norton deliberatly removed certain aspects of the character so they can be "spooled" out in other films. Norton doesn't see that the story needs to be told in one film, he wants to spread it out through different films. So in this first film we learnt that Banner created a gamma machine to help people survive from large doses of radiation and to cure cancer and other diseases, etc... we learn some aspects of the characters, not everything but we learn somethings. Then in a sequel we may learn more of Banner and Hulk.

That is how Norton has the franchise in his head. To have this one big story spread out over different films.

 

[dcHulk]

^^Which means to me that if Marvel doesn't do a sequel, they have short-changed the fans and the general audience.

GREENLIGHT A SEQUEL, MARVEL!

 

[Cracker Jack]

On the sequel question......

I've been very vocal to the point of being redundant about how I wished TIH was made as a sequel to Hulk. Alas, I have to acknowledge that it cannot be considered so. If the movie had simply removed the re-origin aspect, which was barely there anyway, then TIH could definitely be considered a sequel. As it stands...no.

Well said co2

 

[myway]

If the plan is to go back and continue to build a backstory through flashbacks then I hope they don't do a sequel. Firstly, it messes with my whole Hulk universe where Hulk '03 and TIH fit together. Secondly, that was my biggest complaint about TIH even before I was considereing it a sequel. As I was watching TIH, taking it just as a reboot, I thought "wow, the pacing of this movie is off."

 

[co2]

^^Which means to me that if Marvel doesn't do a sequel, they have short-changed the fans and the general audience.

GREENLIGHT A SEQUEL, MARVEL!

Fingers crossed.
They obvisously made the film with a franchise in mind, from simply the last thing we see of Sterns in the film. That was a set-up if there ever was one.

 

[dcHulk]

Anyone up for signing an electronic petition to "encourage" Marvel...?

t:

 

[myway]

I just wanna state for the record that on other Hype Boards as well as IMDB, people other than me refer to TIH as a loose sequel to Hulk '03. For some reason this particular thread/board is attracting almost exclusively fans with a different take but I'm not crazy, lol.

 

[co2]

I'll put my John Hancock to that

 

[Warhammer]

Great insight, way to tackle the issue head on. Responses like this make me..... Jk buddy, if that's your opinion then cool, that's the point of this thread. Anybody wanna give a more detailed reason/address my points specifically?

It is the truth.

I just wanna state for the record that on other Hype Boards as well as IMDB, people other than me refer to TIH as a loose sequel to Hulk '03. For some reason this particular thread/board is attracting almost exclusively fans with a different take but I'm not crazy, lol.

Then they do not know what they are talking about. The way Bruce Banner is struck by the gamma rays are different. The first time he transforms into the Hulk in both films are different. Both General Ross's have different motives for capturing Bruce Banner/Hulk. I could name a hundred more differences. How are the films connected if there are contradictions?

A film cannot be a "loose sequel" if there is no canon between them. Other than the characters Bruce Banner/Hulk, Betty Ross, and General Ross appearing in both films, there are no other similarities that could even give an illusion of connection. You could not find one interview after production started on the entire net from an actor, producer, or the director of The Incredible Hulk that states that the film is a sequel in any shape or form. Anybody's opinion that The Incredible Hulk is a sequel to Hulk is wrong. Bluntly, it does not matter what the person wants to believe when the fact of the matter is they are not connected.

I think I said more than enough.

 

[myway]

What about the POV that TIH doesn't offer enough character interaction or background to make the relationships credible so you have to look to Hulk '03? The inconsistencies with the two movies are also not as significant as people think. It's been a few months since I've seen TIH but how exactly are Gen Ross's motives different? They both think Hulk is a freak and danger to Betty and the world. Seriously, the "back story" in TIH lasts for like 2 min. In both movies, Bruce gets exposed to radiation when an experiment goes awry and then goes on the run from the military and hides out in Brazil. The fact that in one movie he was testing on himself and in the other he jumped in front of the machine to save someone else isn't enough for me disregard a movie that I really like. I guess part of it comes down to this; I really liked Hulk '03 and thought TIH failed as a stand alone movie. Most of the people who disagree with me probably didn't like Hulk '03 but loved TIH.

 

[Beanjuice]

This movie is not even close to loosely being a sequel. Different hulk origin,obivously different cast. No mention of Nolte's character,Hulk doesnt grow 15 feet every time he gets mad,better Stan Lee cameo, more tied in with the marvel universe than the other. 03 Bad, 08 good

 

[Beanjuice]

. It's been a few months since I've seen TIH but how exactly are Gen Ross's motives different? They both think Hulk is a freak and danger to Betty and the world. Seriously,

No,he sees what Bruce had become as some what a success in the experiment and wants to run further experiments on Bruce. He only makes hima true danger to cover his ass for what he did to him

Bruce gets exposed to radiation when an experiment goes awry and then goes on the run from the military and hides out in Brazil.

In th end of 03 he was a refugee doctor,how do you jump from that to a soda bottler? And taking the alternate opening into consideration,the 03 had bruce immediately in brazil and it would seem he was there for a while too.

I really liked Hulk '03 and thought TIH failed as a stand alone movie.

Um....Much better screenplay,cast(with the exception of Jennifer Connelly. Sam Elliot as anything except a cowboy just doenst work) Superior CGI work,better villain,much better soundtrack. Did 03 even have a soundtrack? I dont remember

Most of the people who disagree with me probably didn't like Hulk '03 but loved TIH.

thats exactly the point