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What will be done with Daredevil, Iron Fist and Luke Cage now that their Netflix shows are canceled?

If we're going with an already established Daredevil, then why does that matter? Ultimately the general public won't care if the shows continuity is preserved, but fans will. Why would you want to alienate your fans? Especially since Daredevil's show was very popular and well regarded, and already set with the MCU in mind? I don't see the logic in it, honestly. What do you think fans will enjoy more? Seeing random new Daredevil in a movie, or seeing Charlie Cox in a movie? If Feige cares about what will make fans happy, he would go with the existing Daredevil. Do you think fans want to see Spider-Man fight a brand new Kingpin, or Vincent D'Onofrio?

There is a reason fans asked him about the Defenders being in a movie for several years. It's because that's what we want.
 
If we're going with an already established Daredevil, then why does that matter? Ultimately the general public won't care if the shows continuity is preserved, but fans will. Why would you want to alienate your fans? Especially since Daredevil's show was very popular and well regarded, and already set with the MCU in mind? I don't see the logic in it, honestly. What do you think fans will enjoy more? Seeing random new Daredevil in a movie, or seeing Charlie Cox in a movie? If Feige cares about what will make fans happy, he would go with the existing Daredevil. Do you think fans want to see Spider-Man fight a brand new Kingpin, or Vincent D'Onofrio?

There is a reason fans asked him about the Defenders being in a movie for several years. It's because that's what we want.

Well, as a fan me (and others) may want several things that the MCU doesn't always give us (see my complaints about MCU Spider-Man) So it's not like my "fan desires" will matter that much since we are a minority, and it's the GA that makes or breaks these films. Ultimately Feige will do what he thinks is best for his MCU. I have a feeling he will want to recast.
 
Well, as a fan me (and others) may want several things that the MCU doesn't always give us (see my complaints about MCU Spider-Man) So it's not like my "fan desires" will matter that much since we are a minority, and it's the GA that makes or breaks these films. Ultimately Feige will do what he thinks is best for his MCU. I have a feeling he will want to recast.

Spider-Man is not really the same situation at all. Spider-Man was always going to be new and fit Feige's vision. No prior Spider-Man was sold as "MCU Spider-Man." But the Netflix shows were advertised and sold to fans as being proper MCU shows, and they have MCU easter eggs included to give you that sense of same world. So this is something Feige should keep in mind when looking at what to do with Daredevil and co down the line. I don't see why you would not want to include this very popular version of Daredevil who was in one of Marvel's most critically praised properties, movie or show. If you have access to use a character and the backstory from one of the best things your company ever produced, don't ya think that is worth keeping around? At least, I think it is if quality matters.
 
Ultimately Feige will do what he thinks is best for his MCU. I have a feeling he will want to recast.
Unless Feige became an exec responsible for the Marvel licensing, Netflix owning this take on these characters prevents him from bringing the same cast back to play the exact same roles.
Like Alfre Woodard, let Mike Coulter be Blue Marvel, Charlie Cox be Wonder Man, etc..
 
Unless Feige became an exec responsible for the Marvel licensing, Netflix owning this take on these characters prevents him from bringing the same cast back to play the exact same roles.
Like Alfre Woodard, let Mike Coulter be Blue Marvel, Charlie Cox be Wonder Man, etc..

And you're basing this on what exactly? Not saying it's going to happen, but you're speaking as if it's contractually impossible when there's nothing to indicate that being the case.
 
Unless Feige became an exec responsible for the Marvel licensing, Netflix owning this take on these characters prevents him from bringing the same cast back to play the exact same roles.
Like Alfre Woodard, let Mike Coulter be Blue Marvel, Charlie Cox be Wonder Man, etc..

That is speculatory. All we know for sure is Netflix has a hold on these characters for 2 years. As far as owning the actors in these roles, I doubt that honestly. Netflix doesn't own the characters, and these were made by Marvel Entertainment. So the license right now may be with Netflix, but once that expires, so too should their hold on the actors and such.
 
Spider-Man is not really the same situation at all. Spider-Man was always going to be new and fit Feige's vision. No prior Spider-Man was sold as "MCU Spider-Man." But the Netflix shows were advertised and sold to fans as being proper MCU shows, and they have MCU easter eggs included to give you that sense of same world. So this is something Feige should keep in mind when looking at what to do with Daredevil and co down the line. I don't see why you would not want to include this very popular version of Daredevil who was in one of Marvel's most critically praised properties, movie or show. If you have access to use a character and the backstory from one of the best things your company ever produced, don't ya think that is worth keeping around? At least, I think it is if quality matters.

Well, that's the thing, does Cox's DD fit his vision? Maybe I'm being pessimistic here, but I don't Cox will be playing DD again. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Unless Feige became an exec responsible for the Marvel licensing, Netflix owning this take on these characters prevents him from bringing the same cast back to play the exact same roles.
Like Alfre Woodard, let Mike Coulter be Blue Marvel, Charlie Cox be Wonder Man, etc..

Is that right?
 
And you're basing this on what exactly? Not saying it's going to happen, but you're speaking as if it's contractually impossible when there's nothing to indicate that being the case.
I'm not aware of any case where Feige is responsible for dealing with these contracts. So, it's not his call to make until the higher-ups make it so.
That is speculatory. All we know for sure is Netflix has a hold on these characters for 2 years. As far as owning the actors in these roles, I doubt that honestly. Netflix doesn't own the characters, and these were made by Marvel Entertainment. So the license right now may be with Netflix, but once that expires, so too should their hold on the actors and such.
It's not just the actors as this or that character, isn't it? Everything is licensed and that's how the next iteration has to legally be different enough from the last.
 
I'm not aware of any case where Feige is responsible for dealing with these contracts. So, it's not his call to make until the higher-ups make it so.

It's not just the actors as this or that character, isn't it? Everything is licensed and that's how the next iteration has to legally be different enough from the last.

So yeah, baseless speculation. Thanks for the confirmation
 
It's not just the actors as this or that character, isn't it? Everything is licensed and that's how the next iteration has to legally be different enough from the last.

Not necessarily. Networks and such change for shows all the time, and they don't change actors. Angel went from FOX to CW and retained the same cast/crew. Likewise, they don't need to recast various horror actors who have gone from one studio to another. New Line didn't have to cast a new Jason or alter his look massively when Paramount lost the rights to F13. I see no reason the actors cannot appear in other media as those characters. The costumes and sets and such are likely to change a bit anyway if the shows are brought to Hulu or wherever, but there should be no legal reason Charlie Cox cannot be Daredevil because he was the character on Netflix.
 
The main reason these actors aren't likely to return is the simple fact that they aren't going to sit on their thumbs and wait at least 2 years or so for a call that might not ever come. They're going to continue seeking work elsewhere and that will likely make a return fairly tricky.
 
Not necessarily. Networks and such change for shows all the time, and they don't change actors. Angel went from FOX to CW and retained the same cast/crew. Likewise, they don't need to recast various horror actors who have gone from one studio to another. New Line didn't have to cast a new Jason or alter his look massively when Paramount lost the rights to F13. I see no reason the actors cannot appear in other media as those characters. The costumes and sets and such are likely to change a bit anyway if the shows are brought to Hulu or wherever, but there should be no legal reason Charlie Cox cannot be Daredevil because he was the character on Netflix.
I mean that after something has been cancelled and no purchase has been made to own those.
I'll have to see what happens after the expiration of ownership.

So yeah, baseless speculation. Thanks for the confirmation
I'm just sitting, waiting for a phone call to say yay or nay
 
I'm going to repost my comments in the embargo news here from the Keep Hope Alive thread since it's more relevant here:

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Hate to be the debbie downer here but I think it’s very unlikely that Daredevil ever gets revived and Charlie Cox reprises the role again after this news. Two years may not sound like a lot of especially in comparison to the time it takes for the properties that Marvel licenses to Fox to revert back(if they don’t meet the deadline) but that is still enough time for the cast to go and find other work as they’ve been essentially been released from their contracts so we may end up in a situation where people like Cox won’t even be availabile to due to new contractual obligations he has to fulfill by the time Marvel gets the rights back from Netflix. Same case with the other Netflix Marvel stuff. It’s likely Cox and cast will have already moved by then so Marvel most likely willl have to move on as well. Cox and the cast certainly aren’t gonna lie down and wait until 2020 for them to start working again so I’m afraid it’s pretty much over.
I feel like many of the actors would be happy to return to the roles and do their best to find a way to make it work. But you're right without any kind of guarantee they can't just sit around and have to find work. I hope Marvel Television is already working to secure deals. If they can get a commitment from say Hulu or FX they could make contracts ahead of time.

In fact, depending on how the contract is written it's possible they could start making new seasons right now and just not premiere them until 2020. A similar thing happened to Conan O'Brien after the NBC fiasco, he wasn't permitted to appear on television but the moment that ended they ran a 60 minutes piece on him that they already filmed. Whether these shows continue depends heavily on Marvel Television getting a deal with a different platform. A part of me is hopeful, since after both Iron Fist and Luke Cage got canceled Marvel Television didn't concede to changes tells me they have a back up already set. Unless they were foolish enough to assume Disney+ would automatically pick them up without talking to them, in which case this may be the biggest blunder in television in quite some time. Or they, themselves have written off these shows and are just saving face.

An interesting question is, it's rumored that Luke Cage will appear in Jessica Jones season 3. If that's so then does that mean he can't appear until 2 year after his show was canceled or after JJ season 3 airs and what about side characters like Misty? If it's the former that means the earliest one of these characters appear is June 2020.


You raise a lot of valid questions. There is a lot of unknown to how the 2 year freeze works if someone appears in another show. But that said, my guess is we won't see movement on actual work on shows until the freeze is over. But I do hope they had some conversations with the actors about making sure their schedule is free in 2 years, especially the Daredevil cast. Maybe even offer a hand shake agreement or raise of some kind. I don't think the 2 year freeze is the deal breaker others are trying to make it out as, but it is a hurdle certainly. But other shows have been brought back after the fact a few years later, so no reason to think it's impossible. Especially for a character like Frank Castle, who really only Jon Bernthal matters. He can have an all new cast easily. I think they can make this work regardless, though. It will just come down to do they want to bring these shows back? I am really hoping they do.
So much depends on Marvel's next move. But if they do intend to continue these shows on another platform with the same cast and have a deal in place I would not be surprised on an official announcement to be made sometime after JJ season 3 premieres and production to start several months before the two year limit.

Optimistically if Marvel will/already secures a network/platform/service deal then we may get an announcement as early as spring 2019, production start in winter of 2019/20, and a new season Summer 2020 at the earliest.

I don't get why would Marvel even agree to something like that. It's as if they didn't learn anything from the movie licencing thing.
This is very different from movie licensing, non-compete clauses are very common in all businesses not just television. It protects Netflix from being taken advantage of, for instance without it Marvel could make outrages demands they know Netflix would say "no" to in order to be canceled on purpose so they can move over to a different network without breaking their contract. Also avoids having a direct competition

In the Conan example NBC was forced to pay millions in letting him out of his contract but in return he was not allow on tv for 6 months and could not host his own talk show for two years. So he couldn't immediately take the ratings away from NBC shows. Or a vindictive employee takes a whole bunch of clients with him when leaving a company. It's not one side screwing over the other but more a matter of protecting themselves and enforcing common courtesy.

Many times networks are willing to wave this and grant permission for showrunners to pitch revivals on other networks. I know when Firefly was canceled Fox gave Whedon permission to find another network. Considering Netflix's dependency on exclusivity I don't see them waving that clause. Depending on the relationship with Marvel and Netflix I can see them shortening the time frame if Marvel requests it. Still I doubt it would happen.

Based purely on my own speculation on their relationship I don't think Netflix will threaten legal action if Marvels want Luke Cage season 3 to premiere in June 2020 even if he appears in Jessica Jones season 3. Likewise I don't think they'll enforce this on any supporting character of the shows. I think they'll be lenient when it comes to a series being revived. But stricter when it comes to new shows or films. For example I would not be surprised if they allowed Danny or Colleen to guest star in LC season 3 before their own series embargo is lifted since it's only a few months difference anyway.

What I'm certain they would be strict about is if Marvel gets devious. Since Defenders was technically canceled a year ago does that mean they can have those 4 characters appear in a Defenders show next year? I'm certain Netflix would throw a fit and since the report says "Character" not "show" I doubt Marvel could even try. Still, summer 2020 should not be too much a problem.

In ANY hypothetical case the sooner Marvel secures a new platform the better chances these shows have.
 
Rumored that Luke will be in Jessica Jones Season 3? First I've heard that ever. Where'd that come from?
 
Well, as a fan me (and others) may want several things that the MCU doesn't always give us (see my complaints about MCU Spider-Man) So it's not like my "fan desires" will matter that much since we are a minority, and it's the GA that makes or breaks these films. Ultimately Feige will do what he thinks is best for his MCU. I have a feeling he will want to recast.
However are these five or six characters so important that recasting and rebooting will be done and break the "its all connected" marketing? Or will fans just have to be happy with 100 or so hours of content produced for NetFlix as the MCU uses other characters from the vast Marvel inventory.
 
Rumored that Luke will be in Jessica Jones Season 3? First I've heard that ever. Where'd that come from?
I believe Kristen Ritter made an Instagram post with her and Carrie Ann Moss and Mike Colter responded with something along the lines of "It feels like I was there" fueling speculation that he makes an appearance in season 3.
 
This post, you mean?

Well, yeah, feels more like speculation than anything else right now.

 
Yes that's it, in the comments Colter wrote "Wow so familiar. I felt like I was there!" Again, just a rumor that it means he guest stars.
 
My concern (and this is purely speculative, just based on rumors and such) is that if there IS a chance that all of these characters (or at least Daredevil and the Punisher) could show up in a Marvel movie, it won't happen because of Feige's strained relationship with Perlmutter. Supposedly, they hate each other so much that Feige hasn't even watched these shows. No idea if that's true, but given the power struggle that went on and how Feige wrestled Marvel's film division away from him, it's possible that we won't see any of these characters again unless it's on a new TV network. And that also, unfortunately, seems less and less likely.
 
it's been well documented that there's some bad blood there, but Feige has too much love for the characters, love for the fans, and love for universe-building that I don't think he would let something so petty get in the way of using well-liked and popular characters
Inhumans? Yeah, the TV side botched them too completely that Feige will have a difficult time using them, but the netflix shows are [mostly] beloved and critically acclaimed, and the actors define their roles so well, for the most part
He will at the very least have to wait the two years, but I don't think he would let his feelings on Perlmutter affect the stories they want to tell in the universe
 
it's been well documented that there's some bad blood there, but Feige has too much love for the characters, love for the fans, and love for universe-building that I don't think he would let something so petty get in the way of using well-liked and popular characters
Inhumans? Yeah, the TV side botched them too completely that Feige will have a difficult time using them, but the netflix shows are [mostly] beloved and critically acclaimed, and the actors define their roles so well, for the most part
He will at the very least have to wait the two years, but I don't think he would let his feelings on Perlmutter affect the stories they want to tell in the universe
I pretty much agree, any bad blood is most likely one-sided and I doubt Feige has any kind of animosity against the television side of things. I don't even fault him for not watching these shows. Remember this guy's job is fairly massive he has a lot of work on his hands. His 9-5(and probably even more hours a day) are spent working on Marvel properties and just watching films. Not even superhero films just any films he can to find new directors. He probably watch all, if not most, or a directors work before hiring them. I doubt he wants to spend any of his free time watching dozens of more Marvel related content. Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, Punisher, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways, Inhumans, and Agent Carter has way more hours for even anyone to expect the general audience to keep up with let alone the guy running one of the most recognized and profitable studios in the world right now.

But I guarantee before he even moves forward using these characters he would sit down and watch their shows. And I'm pretty confident he would be impressed enough not to disregard all of them.
 
Finn Jones is definitely not loved in his role. And Colter is boring and bland. Not the streetwise hero with attitude from comics. I would prefer both of them be recast.

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And Jack Lowden
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Movie calibre actors who can actually go toe to toe with the MCU veteran actors.

If anybody needs to be recast, it's these two.
 
Agreed on those two not being cast all that well, i don't know anything about those two actors though

but if there's any chance of retaining Charlie Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio, Krysten Ritter or Jon Bernthal, they should absolutely take it
and if they do, keeping them but recasting LC and IF would be very weird and jarring

so if it's a choice between keeping all of them or recasting all of them, I'd rather they keep the current actors
 
I don't mind their casting, I think it's more the material they're working with. That being said I wouldn't be heart broken if they were recast, a little disappointed because I can see the potential. And honestly no matter what there may be recasting just based on availability but a few key actors I know Marvel would move plans around in order to keep.
 
Not necessarily. Networks and such change for shows all the time, and they don't change actors. Angel went from FOX to CW and retained the same cast/crew. Likewise, they don't need to recast various horror actors who have gone from one studio to another. New Line didn't have to cast a new Jason or alter his look massively when Paramount lost the rights to F13. I see no reason the actors cannot appear in other media as those characters. The costumes and sets and such are likely to change a bit anyway if the shows are brought to Hulu or wherever, but there should be no legal reason Charlie Cox cannot be Daredevil because he was the character on Netflix.
Just like how when Netflix picks up Lucifer from Fox, they don't have to change actors, or how CW got Melissa Benoist on Supergirl, no change was made. I think once Netflix announced the show was cancelled, they lose their rights to what is done with the character in the future, they just maintain rights to what they already have on their platform.
 

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