The Last Jedi What would you have done differently?

[Spider-Fan]

At this point let them do they want with this trilogy but

In the end it was all a dream that Rey Nobody had on Jakku

At the end of the the final scene in Episode 9 the camera pans up to space. After a few seconds the camera pans down & we see Jakku. Suddenly fast moving quick cuts of the entire sequel trilogy ending with a white light & the white light fades into Reys eyes & Rey suddenly opens her eyes & wakes up (cue end credits) & the movie ends & she in reality never left Jakku

I would honestly prefer never knowing what happened with the beloved characters & just make this entire sequel trilogy a long dream

You know if you hate it, instead of whiping the continuity for everyone, you can always just ignore the ST and just watch the OT, right?

 

[Spider-Fan]

But now we know those characters have a in canon dark future regardless of ignoring it & that nothing changed after Jedi. So that takes away from that great Jedi ending. I say wipe the continuity at this point

Does the PT ruin the OT? As crappy as they handle Anakin Skywalker, does it ruin those scenes with Luke, Vader, etc. when you see them in the OT?

The OT is always there. If the ST makes you angry, don't watch them. You're not obligated to if they offend you, much like I am not obligated to acknowledge Episodes 1-3.

 

[Limonade]

Why didn't Snoke just use the Tie Fighters to disable the main ship so that they can board... or utilize some sort of Tractor Beam that I'm assuming a ship like the dreadnought is capable of utilizing.

Heck even using Snoke's Force powers to at the very least capture the Resistance fighters. What was the point of trying to eradicate them? Was Snoke afraid of Princess Leia?

I mean... Didn't Snoke sense Leia's Jedi power when she was in space?

I would've had Snoke use Leia as bargaining chip for Rey. And imagine if Snoke had Kylo try to kill his mom in person?

Or course that could all blow up in Snokes face... but in either case it still blew up in Snoke's face.

 

[Grootster]

But now we know those characters have a in canon dark future regardless of ignoring it & that nothing changed after Jedi. So that takes away from that great Jedi ending. I say wipe the continuity at this point

I don't think they're going to wipe continuity, but I'm also not going to let this trilogy ruin Star Wars for me. It's a shame they've ruined everything so much and blown the chance to use the original cast properly, but weirder stuff as been canon in the past. In general I just ignore the stuff I don't like, I honestly think "canon" is pretty meaningless, and doesn't really have an impact on what I watch and enjoy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

As Darth Sidious would say

Wipe the sequel trilogy out

All of it

Cool story bro

 

[stillanerd]

1. I didn't like Mary Poppins Leia at all, BUT...I think I would have been more okay with it if someone had acknowledged how crazy it was at some point. The crowd can't be the only ones who are thinking WTF just happened?!? The fact that it happens and is completely ignored makes it that much more unbelievable to me. At least have someone like Poe be like "what the hell was that?" Or a short scene with Leia after she's woken up when someone asks her what happened and she's like "I don't know, I just knew that was what I had to do."

Honestly, I wasn't bothered by "Mary Poppins Leia" as others were, mainly because the Original Trilogy established that, being Luke's twin sister, meant she's just as potential powerful in use of the Force as he, and after thirty years, she more than likely learned a few things or two. But I do agree, it would've been nice if Poe, Finn, and others are flabbergasted that she's a Force user.

3. Admiral Ackbar should have survived the bridge bombing and been the one to fly the Raddus into the Star Destroyer. What better homage to Admiral Raddus than to have Ackbar save the day on the ship named after his kin. Also, I totally would've been okay if one of the First Order officers called out "It's a trap!" right before it happened! That's a joke I'd get behind 100%.

Yes! In fact, it would've made much more sense to give Larua Dern's character's story to Admiral Ackbar.

EDIT: Or, if you really want to give fans a punch in the gut, have it be Lando Calrissian.

Anyways, here's the things would've done differently off the top of my head.

1. Instead of having Snoke be some Sith Lord we've never heard of or be introduced to before, I would've kept his face hidden in The Force Awakens, and then reveal in this film that he's...Darth Maul. Yes, I know what ultimately happens to him in Rebels, but I'd change that too. Besides, it could actually fit with what the themes of this new trilogy apparently are. Here you would have a character, from the Prequels no less, who not only is trying to rebuilt the Empire his former master started, but believes he can do a better job. Not to mention he'd be so old, twisted, and broken that his power comes from leeching off other Force users like Kylo Ren. It would also fit perfectly with the Johnson's use of the color red in the film.

2. On a similar note, have it so that the Praetorian Guard are the Knights of Ren.

3. One of the biggest criticisms is that if Poe was let in on the plan from the start, he wouldn't have done what he did. Well here's an easy fix: have it be that he's told exactly what Leia and Holdo's plan is from the start...and he still thinks it's stupid. Why? Because even if they make as far as Crait, it doesn't change the fact that the fleet can't jump into lightspeed without being tracked, that they're running out of fuel, and that they're slowly being picked off one by one. At least disabling the First Order's ability to track them would save more lives, he reasons. So when he actually commits mutiny, and tries explaining his actions, he gets thrown in the brig.

This also would give greater weight to the "hyperspace scene" because, through Poe's good but reckless intentions, he indirectly made someone else sacrifice their life to save them. And make his run on Crait be his one last shot at redeeming himself.

4. When Luke "appears" on Crait, make it so that, other than shorter hair, he still looks as old as he does on Acho-To. Also, make his lightsaber green. And, to top it off, have him actually parry Kylo Ren's saber strokes along with being able to dodge and weave them. After all, even though Luke is a Force Projection, he's still solid like when he kisses Leia on the forehead, etc.

Those are the things which I think of off the top of my head at the moment.

 

[darthcoolness3]

Tone down the humor, Cut Out Canto Bight, and have Rose and Finn rescue DJ from Snoke's ship, Luke leaving the island to duel Kylo Ren, instead of Force Projection, No Shirtless Kylo Ren, Make Snoke last more than 10 seconds, Make Kylo Ren kill General Leia Organa, and not have her survive with mysterious force powers at last minute

 

[Wise]

You know if you hate it, instead of whiping the continuity for everyone, you can always just ignore the ST and just watch the OT, right?

That's my secret to enjoying Star Wars. Keep your own head canon. Canon can be whatever you want it to be. Noone can tell you otherwise.

For me that's

Rogue One - ANH -> TESB -> ROTJ -> Thrawn Trilogy & Rogue Squadron Books -> Jedi Academy Trilogy.

I don't even own the Prequels or TFA on DVD. I'ved watched TFA on netflix and I find it kind of a fun film, but I don't count it as part of my canon. Rogue One I thought was a decent film, but the character development was an issue. Still it fits nicely into the universe and I liked the visuals and the action scenes.

Stuff like KOTOR and Dark Forces are fun, but I don't really consider them to be canon.

 

[Snow Queen]

There are a few smaller things here and there, like I'd cut shirtless Kylo (or rather, rewrite the scene slightly so he wasn't), but there are two big things for me I'd change:
1) Well maybe big is overstating it, but I wouldn't have Luke throw the lightsaber. I think it feels jarring up against the ending of TFA building this moment up, and I feel it creates a weird tone for the start of the Ach-To stuff. Like we've switched over to the serious plot...but here's a quick gag that undercuts a moment. I feel it would have been better played more straight, with Luke either handing the saber back or dropping it and walking away.

2) Giving Rey an actual part in the third act. The third act is the big thing holding me back from enjoying the film as much as I want to. All the stuff that is there is good, and I love the Luke/Kylo confrontation, but suddenly the film just forgets about it's lead for a while and I feel like it makes it feel like it lacks focus. If this were fixed, the film would likely shoot up in my eyes, because I feel it's what makes it weaker than Empire Strikes Back, Force Awakens, and Star Wars.

 

[GoldGoblin]

1.Phasma- Have her fight more like Wonder Woman and a Sparta with a energy shield,spear,and small sword (Not a lightsaber). Have her fight Rey where Phasma blocks Rey's lightsaber with her energy shield in the fight.

Have Rey laying on the ground defeated with a wound in her stomach by Phasma's sword.As Phasma is standing in front of Rey with a grenade,Phasma says to Rey,time to die Jedi.

Rey summons her lightsaber that is laying on the ground behind Phasma,the lightsaber goes through Phasma's back and exits Phasma's chest As Rey catches her lightsaber Phasma falls to her knees and the grenade blows up Phasma to pieces.

2.Leah-get rid of Leah flying through space scene and replace Leah where she is flying the ship to protect the Rebels as she sacrifices herself for them.

3.Have Snoke say to Kylo Ren in anger,you want to be like Darth Vader,then Snoke force grabs Kylo in mid air and Snoke uses his black lightsaber and cuts Kyle's arms and legs off,slashes him in the face,and sets him on fire.

Kylo is screaming in mid-air as he is on fire burning.Then Snoke uses the force to throw him against the wall and yells at someone to get Kylo to the sick bay.

4.Have Luke use both his blue and green lightsaber to fight Snoke,and Snoke's guards,and Snoke is seen using a black lightsaber.

5.We find out that Snoke is Darth Plagues.

6.Luke and Snoke both live.

7.Yoda doesn't use lightning to burn the tree,force ghost should not be a threat.

8.Rey is in sick bay as well from her fight with Phasma,after she is healed from her wounds we see her make her own lightsaber,a yellow double-bladed one.

9.We see Kylo in a suit similar to Vader/Grievous.

 

[InCali]

They’ll play with her falling to the dark side in ep 9, no doubt, but she won’t be going full Dark Helmet at any point. They’ve reached the ‘All is lost’ moment at the end of this film, I think. Rey is the hero of this story.

I would have spent more time having them combing the desert for stuff they wanted. I also think Kylo should have been a lot shorter and stayed away from the gym.

Other than that, I liked TLJ just fine.

 

[Aximili86]

So what's the big issue with shirtless Kylo again? *Shrugs*

Just that it's kinda arbitrary or whatever? Seems to be a lot of complaints. Kinda thought what Rian was getting at there is they're linked and can't really control when those conversations happen, it hits them whenever, even when not ready for it?

Only going by one viewing of the movie though, might have missed something.

 

[TheVileOne]

Meh, I'm glad Snoke isn't someone like Darth Maul or Plagueis. That never would've worked.

 

[Wise]

Meh, I'm glad Snoke isn't someone like Darth Maul or Plagueis. That never would've worked.

Snoke was a mistake from the start, just way too similar to Palpatine. I'm glad Rian Johnson did what he did.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have no problem with Snoke being taken off the chess board, but I didn't dislike Snoke either.

 

[Marvolo]

1.Phasma- Have her fight more like Wonder Woman and a Sparta with a energy shield,spear,and small sword (Not a lightsaber). Have her fight Rey where Phasma blocks Rey's lightsaber with her energy shield in the fight.

Have Rey laying on the ground defeated with a wound in her stomach by Phasma's sword.As Phasma is standing in front of Rey with a grenade,Phasma says to Rey,time to die Jedi.

Rey summons her lightsaber that is laying on the ground behind Phasma,the lightsaber goes through Phasma's back and exits Phasma's chest As Rey catches her lightsaber Phasma falls to her knees and the grenade blows up Phasma to pieces.

2.Leah-get rid of Leah flying through space scene and replace Leah where she is flying the ship to protect the Rebels as she sacrifices herself for them.

3.Have Snoke say to Kylo Ren in anger,you want to be like Darth Vader,then Snoke force grabs Kylo in mid air and Snoke uses his black lightsaber and cuts Kyle's arms and legs off,slashes him in the face,and sets him on fire.

Kylo is screaming in mid-air as he is on fire burning.Then Snoke uses the force to throw him against the wall and yells at someone to get Kylo to the sick bay.

4.Have Luke use both his blue and green lightsaber to fight Snoke,and Snoke's guards,and Snoke is seen using a black lightsaber.

5.We find out that Snoke is Darth Plagues.

6.Luke and Snoke both live.

7.Yoda doesn't use lightning to burn the tree,force ghost should not be a threat.

8.Rey is in sick bay as well from her fight with Phasma,after she is healed from her wounds we see her make her own lightsaber,a yellow double-bladed one.

9.We see Kylo in a suit similar to Vader/Grievous.

Yoda very clearly wasn't a threat to Luke. He was using it as part of a lesson. Yoda is after all a teacher.

As for what I would have done different, remove all of Canto Bight. Have a code breaker already working with the Resistance and on the main Resistance ship. The code breaker's role would be the same as DJ's. Or cut the code breaker too and just have Finn and Rose sneak aboard the supremacy and attempt to destroy the device that's keeping track of the Resistance. They are captured and have to escape.

 

[Mjölnir]

Yoda very clearly wasn't a threat to Luke. He was using it as part of a lesson. Yoda is after all a teacher.

As for what I would have done different, remove all of Canto Bight. Have a code breaker already working with the Resistance and on the main Resistance ship. The code breaker's role would be the same as DJ's. Or cut the code breaker too and just have Finn and Rose sneak aboard the supremacy and attempt to destroy the device that's keeping track of the Resistance. They are captured and have to escape.

I would have assumed that he meant that a force ghost shouldn't be a threat to people in the real world. If they can destroy things in the world, and maybe other similar things, they can theoretically become players again.

 

[Lilbaz]

They should have had luke go to the planet. After the chat with yoda he has a spruce up while he lifts the xwing out of the sea showing it's no effort at all.
He then goes and meets leia yada yada. Walks out to meet the opposite army. They blast him he brings up a force bubble and protects himself. Maybe even throws an at at about.
Ren comes down and luke whipes the floor with him. It is so onesided it is embarrassing.
He then stops and turns off his saber. Says something like i could never kill you. No matter how far you have fallen. An old freind was once in this position and refused to fight. I didn't understand why then but i do now.
He then looks up at the two suns and smiles as ren runs him through only for his body to disappear.

 

[Lilbaz]

3 things they should not have done that has now set a precedent for future writers.

Using hyperspeed as a weapon.
Force facetiming.
Force ghosts being able to use the force to effect the real world.

 

[Clark-Kent]

3 things they should not have done that has now set a precedent for future writers.

Using hyperspeed as a weapon.
Force facetiming.
Force ghosts being able to use the force to effect the real world.
Force flight like Superman.

Fixed

 

[NotNickFury]

Let Finn make the sacrificial move and just leave his fate as ambiguous. Even if he didn't disable the weapon, he could've at least crippled or slowed it down a bit to give the rebels some more time. That way his character actually gets a character moment and we don't have to listen to Rose talk about love.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Yes! In fact, it would've made much more sense to give Larua Dern's character's story to Admiral Ackbar.

EDIT: Or, if you really want to give fans a punch in the gut, have it be Lando Calrissian.

Both are better options by no small margin.

Holdo seemed more like a favor to Dern than anything else. (And that name...LOL.)

 

[BigSams50]

TFA should've been Episode VIII and set 35 years after ROTJ. Episode VII should've been about Luke's Jedi Temple and the failure there, the reason why Leia started the Resistance, the origins of the First Order. It's lame that we were shown this in a flashback and by loads of lazy exposition in TFA.

Last Jedi could've been a decent Episode IX with more setup.

Basically This. Holy Hell how awesome would that have been

 

[batman1]

Not hire Kathleen Kennedy

 

[Iceman]

Let Finn make the sacrificial move and just leave his fate as ambiguous. Even if he didn't disable the weapon, he could've at least crippled or slowed it down a bit to give the rebels some more time. That way his character actually gets a character moment and we don't have to listen to Rose talk about love.

Agreed. It could have been a great scene. And instead it had a terrible resolution (the only thing that got worse for me on 2nd viewing).