Daredevil What you DIDNT like from Daredevil Season 1(spoilers abound)

[hellblazer103]

Yep. I like her. She's messed up and is only getting worse. Don't know about becoming a drug addict porn star. But she's going to have issues. Drink, painkillers. At least for the second series.

agreed. i hope they don't go the comic route and do that as well, but i can definitely see those other 2 things. and it seems matt already knows what she did too, especially since she almost spilled the beans to him but caught herself in ep. 12.

 

[Solaire]

Why do people have to see racism in everything? The first episode Karen was an absolute wreck. The second she was steaming drunk and a mess.
Clair was slightly disheveled because it was night and she was at home. She had just dragged DD out of the garbage and up a few flights of stairs.
The whole series portrayed Clair as wise, smart and brave. Karen is portrayed as an emotional wreck. That is why the hero is interested in Clair not Karen.

I have no idea lol. I never once thought of race for even a millisecond while watching all 13 episodes.

 

[Silvermoon]

Why do people have to see racism in everything? The first episode Karen was an absolute wreck. The second she was steaming drunk and a mess.
Clair was slightly disheveled because it was night and she was at home. She had just dragged DD out of the garbage and up a few flights of stairs.
The whole series portrayed Clair as wise, smart and brave. Karen is portrayed as an emotional wreck. That is why the hero is interested in Clair not Karen.

Agree with this.

To add to my list, I agree with others, Claire needed to be in it more - I don't know if it was a result of Rosario's schedule/availability or what - but more of a presence would have been appreciated. I hope we see more of her in season 2 and/or across the other Netflix series.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Yeah, they could only get Rosario for so many episodes.

 

[Human Torch]

Why do people have to see racism in everything? The first episode Karen was an absolute wreck. The second she was steaming drunk and a mess.
Clair was slightly disheveled because it was night and she was at home. She had just dragged DD out of the garbage and up a few flights of stairs.
The whole series portrayed Clair as wise, smart and brave. Karen is portrayed as an emotional wreck. That is why the hero is interested in Clair not Karen.

That's pretty much what I said.

I liked Claire/Dawson well enough. But DD has never had a dearth of beautiful women in his life,so I'd just as soon be done with her character now. I've always liked the relationship with Karen,so that's the one I'm rooting for. But I imagine we'll see Electra,maybe even Heather before he gets serious with Karen.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Not really something I didn't like but something that was glaringly obvious in an otherwise (imo) flawless show (production wise). Did anyone else catch how crappy the wig on the Stick stunt guy was, it made me chuckle that they can do so well in most areas but fall really short on getting a decent wig for the stunt guy :/

 

[Shazam]

Death of Ben Urich.

Still hoping he somehow lived and the funeral was fake. He's big in the DD mythos, and needs to be around for more. Would love to see him at The Daily Bugle, now that Marvel and Sony are on good terms...

Agreed

 

[Lilbaz]

They could have a Ben Ulrich Jnr. Who works at the Bugle. He now is committed to the cause due to the death of his uncle/father (whatever).

 

[Human Torch]

They could have a Ben Ulrich Jnr. Who works at the Bugle. He now is committed to the cause due to the death of his uncle/father (whatever).

I think his wife mentioned they didn't have kids. (He'd have liked a daughter like Karen and so forth)

I think he had a pretty understanding wife. Any other gal who had a husband running around with a hot blonde half his age would raise Cain. t:

 

[Spiderdevil]

I didn't like Fisk. I know that isn't a popular opinion in these parts. It was well acted. I appreciated what D'Onfario did, but I did not like the route the writers went with him (the whole man-child thing).

Yeah I got that too

Even though I like D'Onofrio's protrayal and think this was one of Marvel's best Villain if not the best, the impulsive and man-child nature of Fisk didn't seem good when you think about it, I mean scenes like where he bashes Anatoli's head or kills Owlsley came off as impulsive and erratic, something you won't expect from a criminal of his stature, to mix personal emotions with business

I loved the converstation he had with DD on the walkie-talkie, many have been saying that it felt the repeatitive Hero-Villain 'We are the same' converstation, but I think it was done exceedingly well

DD: You just confirmed how important he is, it must worry you what he might tell me
WF: Which means he hasn't told you anything yet
DD Kicks a log a frustation

Brilliant!

Also the part where he manipulates Nobu and Daredevil to take out each other out, loved that part

But then again making him a complete mastermind/calculating guy with no emotion would have been repeatitive and uninteresting

 

[famicommander]

I really didn't buy the Kingpin's motivations. He just kept making vague references to saving the city or cleansing the filth, but he never really elaborates on what his vision for Hell's Kitchen really is. He's just reactionary for most of the series.

It also stumbled a bit as the endgame drew closer. I feel like there wasn't enough impact in the last few episodes in view of the build up.

Still an amazing show, but I hoped for more from the lead antagonist and I hoped for a more satisfying conclusion.

 

[The Question]

I really didn't buy the Kingpin's motivations. He just kept making vague references to saving the city or cleansing the filth, but he never really elaborates on what his vision for Hell's Kitchen really is. He's just reactionary for most of the series.

He's buying up all of the property in the neighborhood and replacing all of the buildings and infrastructure with super expensive high rise condos. It's classic gentrification, just funded with drug money.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I really didn't buy the Kingpin's motivations. He just kept making vague references to saving the city or cleansing the filth, but he never really elaborates on what his vision for Hell's Kitchen really is. He's just reactionary for most of the series.

I think it was bulldozing the slums/old buildings and making new condos, with whichever way possible, legal or illegal

It also stumbled a bit as the endgame drew closer. I feel like there wasn't enough impact in the last few episodes in view of the build up.

Agreed

The build up to 'Condemned' was insane, episode 4,5,6 would make an excellent crime thriller movie
Similiarly episode 8,9 were also wonderful, ending with Nobu's death

I think the last 3 episodes, although great, failed to create a similar build-up/impact

 

[Dr. Manhatten]

-Might get some hate for this but I really didn't get into the ninja plotlines in the 2nd half of the season. I loved the first half but when it started to get super mystical, it kind of lost me. I know it's a Frank Miller thing but I generally don't like it when he indulges in that either. It felt out of place within the context of the show.

-I like Vincent D'Onofio as the Kingpin but I thought there was way too much time trying to make him sympathetic for the whole season. He is a killer and all but I didn't buy his inner turmoil for most of the season.

-The cops as basically serial killers. I understand the idea of how corrupt the police department is but the cops were so quick to start killing each other at the slightest provocation for The Kingpin that it came off as comical to me. Cop deaths warrant A TON of attention in real life but cops were being mowed down by the dozens in a couple episodes and it isn't treated as being a big a deal as it would be.

 

[WBwins]

Upgraded my rating from 7 to 8.
Would have been a 10/10 if not for Kingpins chacterisation,Lack of Supervillains and the fact he only got the costume in the end

 

[gridlockd]

I thought the overall pace was too slow at times. Took too long to develop. There's no reason he couldn't have the red suit before the last episode. Rosaria suggests "body armor" like three times.

Rosaria's subplot went nowhere. Seemed like they were setting her up as the love interest - but then she disappears from the show.

The banter between Foggy and Karen was excruciating at times. So cutesy. And so much of it. And for what? Again, I thought they were love interests but no, Foggy ends up with the beautiful evil lawyer for some reason. (I also find it hard to believe so many hot woman found him attractive)

Karen, beautiful and intelligent, seems to have nothing better to do than work a free job for some people she just met.

Wesley's dialogue was kind cornball 'bad guy' at times.

Personally, I would have liked a lot more courtroom drama. Seeing Matt's double life as a lawyer. Here he's mostly just daredevil, the office being little more than a meet-up spot. I wanted to see him mete out legal justice, and, if that fails, street justice. It was all Superman, no Clark Kent. I would have liked to see some more daytime/nighttime secret identity duality.

 

[FataLethal]

Isn't it that was kind of the point? Slowing pacing to reeeally develop the characters.

 

[warhorse78]

What was the point in the beginning of the series when Matt takes Karen home with him, and she just takes off her blouse right in front of him?

 

[Babillygunn]

I just finished the first season. There were a lot of things that I liked about the show. But there were a lot of things I didnt. First, Karen was annoyingly written. I didn't buy the whole "foul mouthed, tough girl" vibe they tried to establish. She was better when showing vulnerability.

Second, I really felt the whole show was rather joyless. I know DD isn't Spider-Man and he shouldn't be cracking wise, but that was pretty bleak. Also, as someone who has had some serious injuries and a few concussions in my time, his beatings both given and taken were hard to stomach.

 

[hellblazer103]

looking back at it now, i'm kinda mad that they killed off wesley.

i mean, that scene clearly set it up so only one of them could die, and i get that karen is supposed to be set up to be this sort of damaged character and this helps that, but honestly ? i would've rather karen died, simply because that actor playing wesley ****ing pwned it all the way. i also didn't like that wesley was dumb enough to leave the gun on the table for her to grab in the first place.

Second, I really felt the whole show was rather joyless. I know DD isn't Spider-Man and he shouldn't be cracking wise, but that was pretty bleak. Also, as someone who has had some serious injuries and a few concussions in my time, his beatings both given and taken were hard to stomach.

i feel like the foggy moments sort of help with that. my friend who had alot of nitpicks for the show said it felt borderline sitcom-esque at times because of foggy.

 

[TheVileOne]

They killed off way too many characters in the last three episodes. Big mistake.

 

[warhorse78]

I actually liked both Wesley and Vladimir more than Fisk, but oh well, what is done is done. Now, Vanessa looks to be promising as an opposing figure later on. I feel she's far more level headed than Fisk, as well as more intelligent, and combine that with his resources and connections, she could be quite the force. I don't think Marvel has had a true female villain yet, and here's a good time to bring one to the table.

 

[Marvel Spider]

What was the point in the beginning of the series when Matt takes Karen home with him, and she just takes off her blouse right in front of him?

Because he's blind.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Really didn't like Foggy and Karen's banter. Took me outta the show and made me cringe.

To add, the shaky, JJ Abrams-like camera filming was a little nauseating at certain moments.

 

[gwynplaine]

They should have kept Wesley, great actor, great performance and his dynamic with Fisk was great too. I wish he didn't die, especially in such a stupid manner.