The Dark Knight What's up with the stupid goons?

[Da_Joka]

...The goons are street trash robbing a bank . They don't need to be geniuses.

Who says they need to be geniuses? They sound like they all have ADD, or something.

 

[DeathRaven]

Why would he hire a bunch of talented thinkers when you could buy talented thugs?

Anyway, the dude who was hit by the bus seemed to have something in the ol' noggin. He was just outsmarted.

Exactly, from what we saw these guys were just meant to get Joker some cash. Plus they slowly elimated one another.

Greed can make you more ignorant.

 

[Anita18]

Why would he hire a bunch of talented thinkers when you could buy talented thugs?

Anyway, the dude who was hit by the bus seemed to have something in the ol' noggin. He was just outsmarted.

His mistake: he hesitated. Joker does not hesitate. t:

Mr.Freeze, and his hockey goons were the first things that popped into my head after watching the prologue.

OMG is that real? Polar bear slippers?! -facepalm-

 

[chaseter]

Why get goons that can outsmart you?

 

[SPIDERMAN117]

The goons were intended to do One job and that was to rob the bank
They did and the Smart Goons who actually had clue what was going on
just shot the goon in front of them because the more goons who died,
the bigger the split of money each would get

 

[OctaviusINC]

Why would he hire a bunch of talented thinkers when you could buy talented thugs?

Anyway, the dude who was hit by the bus seemed to have something in the ol' noggin. He was just outsmarted.

Exactly. They were just thugs. They each were good at one thing and one thing only: robbin' banks. Joker manipulated them against each other. end of story.

 

[CaptainClown]

joker probably kept them apart so they couldn't work together. Think Reservoir Dogs, then the one smart one had no idea they were leaving on a bus.

 

[Octoberist]

if they were smart, then the Joker's plans wouldn't work out.

 

[Saint]

This could actually be the worst thing ever put on the internet.

 

[Octoberist]

this thread? haha..I wouldn't go that far, but it's not the best.

 

[combusticator]

I don't get it. After watching the prologue, it's as if every member in Joker's gang is a complete tard. The thing that bottles my mind is that they have a personality of a tard, but they can do difficult tasks like swing on a rope across rooftops, open the bank door, etc...

It's a case of Steve Urkelephobia.

Did you consider the fact that the Joker, one on one, could've built confidence in these guys? one by one, letting them know that there was ONE guy who was gonna rat the rest of them out or double cross them? and make them feel good that the Joker is entrusting them to take care of their ONE problem. You don't think the Joker is at all capable of being able to convince your average street thug for hire? Do you assume that all men are equally intelligent and such a possibility of someone outsmarting or convincing another person is possible?

Or do you need to be spoonfed like a little kid that information in a film for you to understand or assume that?

 

[BadboyBeavz]

Mr.Freeze, and his hockey goons were the first things that popped into my head after watching the prologue.

But...He's Mr White Christmas!

 

[SingItWithMeNow]

I have no issue with goons.

do have an issue with stupid threads.

 

[DreadPirateJT]

I don't think they were stupid. They were obviously all intelligent enough to be skilled in different aspects of bank robbery. I think they just weren't expecting to be played against each other. Each one probably thought that he was the only one who got orders to eliminate one of the other goons. The fact that none of them know where the Joker is and what the full extent of the plan is points, not to stupid goons, but to a brilliant and crafty Joker.

 

[bcgvh]

I think some of the dialogue is cheesey. For instance, the two goons on the roof talking about why they call him The Joker, and the bank manager's speech of "what do you believe in" at the end. Everything I've seen of The Joker himself has been outstanding. I liked the prologue for the most part, but I always got the sense that something was missing...although, I only saw a crappy online version, so that's probably a reason why I feel this way. Still though, I'm not at all disappointed with the prologue, but I was expecting a little more.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

I think for the sake of the scene Joker wasent looking for smart thugs, just people he could walk over.


heh

Bingo. It was a pretty clever scene. Though the goons' voice preformance did catch my attention as being a little goofy even though I liked the accents, like someone else said; maybe they can fix it with dubbing by the time the final cut comes out.

But the costume design, and stuff they were pulling off (like the zip lines and getaway plan) was awesome to see on screen. I mean really, how cool is it to be watching a bank heist scene with a bunch of men in clown masks running around when you know the Joker is lurking under one of them the entire time? I wish it was just a bit longer though. Things might flow a bit better as long as they could still keep the hectic feeling.

 

[combusticator]

I think some of the dialogue is cheesey. For instance, the two goons on the roof talking about why they call him The Joker, and the bank manager's speech of "what do you believe in" at the end. Everything I've seen of The Joker himself has been outstanding. I liked the prologue for the most part, but I always got the sense that something was missing...although, I only saw a crappy online version, so that's probably a reason why I feel this way. Still though, I'm not at all disappointed with the prologue, but I was expecting a little more.

I'm 99.9% sure you would change your mind if you saw it in the IMAX...it IS totally different watching it in the theatre, simply amazing.

In fact, not that you meant this, but in a literal sense something was missing, about 1/4-1/3 of the screen is not even visible, even in the cleaned up version.

 

[CaptainClown]

what did you not like about their voices?

 

[ragdus]

Goons exist to die, and die easily.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I don't get it. After watching the prologue, it's as if every member in Joker's gang is a complete tard. The thing that bottles my mind is that they have a personality of a tard, but they can do difficult tasks like swing on a rope across rooftops, open the bank door, etc...

It's a case of Steve Urkelephobia.

dude...why so serious?!

 

[combusticator]

I don't think the dialogue was cheesy at all either. You can take a 5 minute segment out of almost any movie and pick apart single lines, it's as a whole, how the movie works--granted this wasn't Godfather calibur, but this isn't a serious drama, it's a freakin' awesome comic book movie that will hopefully blow all other comic book movies away, just as Lord of the Rings did too all other Fantasy movies.

They have on board Jonathon Nolan this time around to write. He wasn't on with Batman Begins, and he will be a HUGE improvement. I loved BB, but Jonathon, Chris' brother, helped write Memento and The Prestige, Nolan's other tight movies! Prestige and Memento were really dark too...perfect addition.

 

[combusticator]

dude...why so serious?!

lol exactly

 

[ragdus]

dude...why so serious?!

 

[Juggernaut33]

I don't think the dialogue was cheesy at all either. You can take a 5 minute segment out of almost any movie and pick apart single lines, it's as a whole, how the movie works--granted this wasn't Godfather calibur, but this isn't a serious drama, it's a freakin' awesome comic book movie that will hopefully blow all other comic book movies away.

Exactly. That's what I don't get about most people on this board they say trick to stick with the comic in comic book movies but once you deliver some comic elements to them in a movie, they complain. Don't get it.

 

[CaptainClown]

ya, i dont really see how it is that cheesy. If you wanted realistic they probably wouldn't say anything to each other.