The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[spideyboy_1111]

They're both mysoginistic. One far more so than the other. With, ya know, the death and all. Ben is an origin story death. Basic origins can't be changed. Batman's parents always die, just like Superman's always sent from the near-destruction planet of Krypton, and just like Uncle Ben always dies. The very nature of the origin story is to be a tool to fascilitate the hero's journey. It's often tragic, but without it, there's no hero and thus, no journey. Gwen does not fall into that category.

Wrong. Her death brings on his adulthood. Which in the grand scheme if things is part of his origin into the adult spidey we know

 

[Dagenspear]

The Night Gwen Stacy Died is debatably the most important story of Spider-man outside of the origin story. Also, Gwen's death is arguably the most important death in Spider-man comics second only to Uncle Ben's death. Gwen's death is tragic and it makes Peter more responsible. Captain Stacy told Peter to stay away from her, but because he is young and in love he will be irresponsible he will still see her somewhat and she will be targeted by GG. If she dies, Peter will become more responsible and probably keep his secret identity more of a secret. Pretty much all that is speculation but you get the point. If done right, Gwen's death can serve a huge purpose in the trilogy.

How many people have to die exactly or be put in danger to teach this ******* a lesson? Two people 10 times better than Peter have already died because of his idiocy, so he can play the hero that he clearly isn't. Why does Gwen have to be YET ANOTHER human sacrafice? Why should she be?

 

[Jexx]

Spider-Man is Spider-Man because of his guilt. If Uncle Ben didn't die, he wouldn't be a hero, he wouldn't be Spider-Man.

Captain Stacy just died to hammer that in more, that people can get hurt because of what he does.

Gwen dying would put him on the true path to adulthood.

Webb has said that the entire trilogy is the origin of Spider-Man... but it's also the origin of Peter Parker, and his growth.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

And also because Gwen Stacy's death plays into a different part of Peter's journey in being Spider-Man. He's not learning the same lessons over again.

 

[Jexx]

Also, does it seem like Dagen is more mad about it because he thinks Peter is a prick?

 

[Dagenspear]

Wrong. Her death brings on his adulthood. Which in the grand scheme if things is part of his origin into the adult spidey we know

And several people have to die for this to happen? Perhaps it'd be better for everyone if Peter was the one who died, instead of lots of actually good people, who don't need guilt to be a hero.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Just putting it out there.. as a generally good guy type smart 17 year old myself, I wasn't at all put off by Peter's attitude. It seemed to me that his inner struggle was making him act somewhat out of character. I've been there. And Gwen should die near the end of the third. And yes, Gwen should die.

 

[SpeterMan3]

And several people have to die for this to happen? Perhaps it'd be better for everyone if Peter was the one who died, instead of lots of actually good people, who don't need guilt to be a hero.

Sorry for the dp, unless someone posts after my last, but..

You're right, Peter's not quite heroic yet. He's just not. But he's the one who was bitten by the spider, not someone more naturally heroic. He's a kid, and an extremely confused one at that. It's like how so many child stars seem so maladjusted. It's really too much to take on at that point in his life. That's why things stay sloppy with and around him. Unfortunately, that means that lives are lost around him. Great power was forced upon him, and it will take a lot for him to fully learn that great responsibility.

 

[Dagenspear]

Spider-Man is Spider-Man because of his guilt. If Uncle Ben didn't die, he wouldn't be a hero, he wouldn't be Spider-Man.

Captain Stacy just died to hammer that in more, that people can get hurt because of what he does.

Gwen dying would put him on the true path to adulthood.

Webb has said that the entire trilogy is the origin of Spider-Man... but it's also the origin of Peter Parker, and his growth.

Ben, Captain Stacy, and Gwen have all proven themselves to be far superior adults and heroes by the very fact that NONE of them require guilt to actually be one. If Peter needs people dying to help him grow up and be a hero then maybe neither is really his thing.

 

[Jexx]

ok.
well, Ben and Captain Stacy for one.. are actually adults.

And I don't know how Gwen is more of one in TASM.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How many people have to die exactly or be put in danger to teach this ******* a lesson? Two people 10 times better than Peter have already died because of his idiocy, so he can play the hero that he clearly isn't. Why does Gwen have to be YET ANOTHER human sacrafice? Why should she be?

Its pretty simple.... And i don't know why people don't get it. Gwen would die in this franchise as a direct result of A)her knowing peters identity and B)the villain knowing peters as well...

By peter telling her who he is he inadvertently made her a direct target.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And several people have to die for this to happen? Perhaps it'd be better for everyone if Peter was the one who died, instead of lots of actually good people, who don't need guilt to be a hero.

In this case yes... Because Ben and George did not die over being close to spiderman ....

Spidey myths are full of death...and guilt. Do you not know the character very well???

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ben, Captain Stacy, and Gwen have all proven themselves to be far superior adults and heroes by the very fact that NONE of them require guilt to actually be one. If Peter needs people dying to help him grow up and be a hero then maybe neither is really his thing.

Peters guilt is one of his endearing character flaws. Its always his weight on the world, his responsibility, his fault... That's not what makes him an adult.

Its learning responsibility from his mistakes that does. And gwen was one of his biggest. The current peter parker of tasm is still pretty immature. He doesn't seem to be taking his identity as seriously as he should which is evident throughout the film. He needs to learn that the best protection for his loved ones is keeping spidey a secret

 

[Dagenspear]

ok.
well, Ben and Captain Stacy for one.. are actually adults.

And I don't know how Gwen is more of one in TASM.

Gwen very clearly decides to get everyone out of OsCorp when Peter tells her the Lizard is on his way, instead of just saving herself, AND she stays behind to complete the antidote, AND she takes on the Lizard with her makeshift flamethrower, and she does this all on her own. That shows selflessness, bravery, AND responsibility. That sounds like an adult and a hero to me. And would you just look at that? She does it all without ever needing guilt as a motivator.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Gwen very clearly decides to get everyone out of OsCorp when Peter tells her the Lizard is on his way, instead of just saving herself, AND she stays behind to complete the antidote, AND she takes on the Lizard with her makeshift flamethrower, and she does this all on her own. That shows selflessness, bravery, AND responsibility. That sounds an adult and a hero to me. And would you just look at that? She does it all without ever needing guilt as motivator.

.... People are also different ...

 

[Dagenspear]

Peters guilt is one of his endearing character flaws. Its always his weight on the world, his responsibility, his fault...

Some people would call that narsicism.

Its learning responsibility from his mistakes that does. And gwen was one of his biggest. The current peter parker of tasm is still pretty immature. He doesn't seem to be taking his identity as seriously as he should which is evident throughout the film. He needs to learn that the best protection for his loved ones is keeping spidey a secret

And this lesson should come at the price of the life of someone far better than him?

 

[Web face]

Gwen very clearly decides to get everyone out of OsCorp when Peter tells her the Lizard is on his way, instead of just saving herself, AND she stays behind to complete the antidote, AND she takes on the Lizard with her makeshift flamethrower, and she does this all on her own. That shows selflessness, bravery, AND responsibility. That sounds an adult and a hero to me. And would you just look at that? She does it all without ever needing guilt as motivator.

Gwen's father was a police captain and probably a role model for her. Nothing against Uncle Ben, he is a brave and responsible adult, but he isn't a police officer so his job isn't to make sure people are safe. Gwen wouldnt be as heroic if her dad wasn't a police captain. Also, it's not like Peter wasnt heroic at all. Even before he got his powers he stuck up for the little guy and got his ass beat for it and he regretted nothing. He is just on the path to become a hero. It doesn't happen over night.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Gwen very clearly decides to get everyone out of OsCorp when Peter tells her the Lizard is on his way, instead of just saving herself, AND she stays behind to complete the antidote, AND she takes on the Lizard with her makeshift flamethrower, and she does this all on her own. That shows selflessness, bravery, AND responsibility. That sounds an adult and a hero to me. And would you just look at that? She does it all without ever needing guilt as motivator.

But this isn't about that you're missing the entire point of Spider-Man. "With great power comes great responsibility" that is the message of Spider-Man. Sam Raimi spelled it out by saying "No matter what I do, the ones I love will always be the ones that pay". This Peter is a 17 High School senior, do you really see a mature hero there? NO AND HE'S NOT!

He's a kid he makes mistakes, and doesn't understand the gravity of the world yet. Uncle Ben died because he didn't stop a robber but it happened so fast it's almost easy to miss the fact he's to blame. The real thing that nails the coffin shut on childhood Peter is the death of the love of his life Gwen.

It's not about heroes and who should live and who should die, it's about telling the story of a boy becoming a man. Learning the hardships and heart breaks in life. Marvel isn't about role models that everyone should strive to be like DC, it's about the flawed individuals who face the hardships we all face in our day to day lives and how they overcome them.

Gwen needs to die in the next film because her death symbolizes the death of his childhood, the loss of his innocence, the loss of first love. It's a beautiful story and one that everyone who's ever had a post graduation reality check or even just a heart break can relate to.

 

[Web face]

Some people would call that narsicism.And this lesson should come at the price of the life of someone far better than him?

Lol you keep mentioning how Uncle Ben and Captain Stacy are better people than Peter. At this point it's not even about how important Gwen's death is. You just dislike this Peter Parker. Also, of course they are more mature then him both of them are over 40 years old. I bet Uncle Ben was just as irresponsible as Peter is right now when he was in his teens. Ben said it himself, he knows what Peter is going through.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Some people would call that narsicism.And this lesson should come at the price of the life of someone far better than him?

yes because that's just the way the real world works. bad things happen to good people, and I'm sorry did you say two people died that were better than him? I count one! George died because of his overprotection of her daughter and his quest to bring Spider-Man to justice. Keep in mind had he not let his poor disposition on Peter influence his judgement and actually confronted Conners especially since he had witnesses claiming to have seen a Giant Lizard the whole conflict could have been averted. George was at fault, get over it.

 

[Web face]

yes because that's just the way the real world works. bad things happen to good people, and I'm sorry did you say two people died that were better than him? I count one! George died because of his overprotection of her daughter and his quest to bring Spider-Man to justice. Keep in mind had he not let his poor disposition on Peter influence his judgement and actually confronted Conners especially since he had witnesses claiming to have seen a Giant Lizard the whole conflict could have been averted. George was at fault, get over it.

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say George is a bad person. He was just a little over protective of Gwen which is understandable, and he was wrong about Spider-man, which is also understandable from his perspective. In the end, he did help save New York by holding off the Lizard.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say George is a bad person. He was just a little over protective of Gwen which is understandable, and he was wrong about Spider-man, which is also understandable from his perspective. In the end, he did help save New York by holding off the Lizard.

I'm not saying he's a bad person but he's the one who was responsible for his own death rather than Peter is what I'm getting at. He's a good guy sure, but he made a bad call and he paid for it.

 

[Web face]

I'm not saying he's a bad person but he's the one who was responsible for his own death rather than Peter is what I'm getting at. He's a good guy sure, but he made a bad call and he paid for it.

I agree He was only responsible for his own death mostly because he got in Peters way. I wouldn't really say he paid for anything because I see it as him making a sacrifice to save the city, but he didn't have to die because it would have been easier if he worked with Pete.

 

[Dagenspear]

yes because that's just the way the real world works. bad things happen to good people, and I'm sorry did you say two people died that were better than him? I count one! George died because of his overprotection of his daughter and his quest to bring Spider-Man to justice. Keep in mind had he not let his poor disposition on Peter influence his judgement and actually confronted Conners especially since he had witnesses claiming to have seen a Giant Lizard the whole conflict could have been averted. George was at fault, get over it.

Okay, let's disect this statement, shall we? In the "real world" no one would listen to crazy rantings about giant lizards. Come on man, really? In what universe is not wanting your daughter to be ripped to shreds by a monster "overprotective?" Seriously? Peter gave Connors the equation, without Peter's thoughtless actions there can be no Lizard, and without the Lizard Captain Stacy lives. Peter himself even says "I created him."

 

[Web face]

Okay, let's disect this statement, shall we? In the "real world" no one would listen to crazy rantings about giant lizards. Come on man, really? In what universe is not wanting your daughter to be ripped to shreds by a monster "overprotective?" Seriously? Peter gave Connors the equation, without Peter's thoughtless actions there can be no Lizard, and without the Lizard Captain Stacy lives. Peter himself even says "I created him."

Oh yeah he totally knew that it was going to turn Curt Conners into a giant Lizard instead of just giving a man his right arm back. How thoughtless of him. What a *****e.