The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

  • Exactly like the comics in movie 2

  • Exactly like the comics in movie 3

  • Different from the comics in movie 2

  • Different from the comics in movie 3

  • Never, she shouldn't die

  • Exactly like the comics in movie 2

  • Exactly like the comics in movie 3

  • Different from the comics in movie 2

  • Different from the comics in movie 3

  • Never, she shouldn't die


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Originally Posted by gugumugats
Make the 2nd movie end on a depressing note with her death.

Bring her back in the 3rd via Clone Saga.
If she were to die in the second film and then be brought be back as a clone in the third movie would just be ludicrous (no offense to you) it would just defeat the purpose of the Cat.Stacey's message . and I don't think the clone saga is the way to go.
 
If she were to die in the second film and then be brought be back as a clone in the third movie would just be ludicrous (no offense to you) it would just defeat the purpose of the Cat.Stacey's message . and I don't think the clone saga is the way to go.

Exactly what I thought but I was trying to play nice hahaha
 
Why does Peter even need a love interest in this movie at all? Why can't the story just be about him and his struggle as Spider-Man. Why not just ditch of all the girlfriends and make it about him?
 
If she were to die in the second film and then be brought be back as a clone in the third movie would just be ludicrous (no offense to you) it would just defeat the purpose of the Cat.Stacey's message . and I don't think the clone saga is the way to go.

Here's an alternative... what about the possibility of killing off Aunt May instead?

The killing of a sweet, defenseless old woman would be a far bigger Kick The Dog moment for the villain than killing a girlfriend would. Plus, it frees up the identity of the villain who does the deed as it need not be the Green Goblin.

Meanwhile, it would still achieve the same thing with Captain Stacy's warning - except here, the person who is close to Peter doesn't even know he's Spider-Man yet gets targeted anyway. This would really cause Peter to push away everyone in his life. And since Gwen knows his secret identity and thus why he's doing that, cue the whole "I'm doing this to protect all of you"/"Don't you think we should get to decide for ourselves?" type argument +/- Gwen questioning whether he should simply give up being Spider-Man.

The only thing it doesn't fulfill is the foreshadowing given by Captain Stacy's last request. Though, the promise can be brought; allowing Gwen to bridge into how her father too faced the same dangers and risks because of his job yet did not push everyone in his life away and was able to build a life/family for himself.
 
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Why does Peter even need a love interest in this movie at all? Why can't the story just be about him and his struggle as Spider-Man. Why not just ditch of all the girlfriends and make it about him?

agghh. Spider-Man is a love story. Batman? X-Men? Iron Man? these arent necessarily love stories. Spider-Man is. One of the main struggles Peter has (besides juggling high school and finances with his superhero identity) is girls.
 
Here's an alternative... what about the possibility of killing off Aunt May instead?

The killing of a sweet, defenseless old woman would be a far bigger Kick The Dog moment for the villain than killing a girlfriend would. Plus, it frees up the identity of the villain who does the deed as it need not be the Green Goblin.

Meanwhile, it would still achieve the same thing with Captain Stacy's warning - except here, the person who is close to Peter doesn't even know he's Spider-Man yet gets targeted anyway. This would really cause Peter to push away everyone in his life. And since Gwen knows his secret identity and thus why he's doing that, cue the whole "I'm doing this to protect all of you"/"Don't you think we should get to decide for ourselves?" type argument +/- Gwen questioning whether he should simply give up being Spider-Man.

The only thing it doesn't fulfill is the foreshadowing given by Captain Stacy's last request. Though, the promise can be brought; allowing Gwen to bridge into how her father too faced the same dangers and risks because of his job yet did not push everyone in his life away and was able to build a life/family for himself.
I'm just afraid Peter will make a deal with the devil if that happens haha jk
 
Here's an alternative... what about the possibility of killing off Aunt May instead?

The killing of a sweet, defenseless old woman would be a far bigger Kick The Dog moment for the villain than killing a girlfriend would. Plus, it frees up the identity of the villain who does the deed as it need not be the Green Goblin.

Meanwhile, it would still achieve the same thing with Captain Stacy's warning - except here, the person who is close to Peter doesn't even know he's Spider-Man yet gets targeted anyway. This would really cause Peter to push away everyone in his life. And since Gwen knows his secret identity and thus why he's doing that, cue the whole "I'm doing this to protect all of you"/"Don't you think we should get to decide for ourselves?" type argument +/- Gwen questioning whether he should simply give up being Spider-Man.

The only thing it doesn't fulfill is the foreshadowing given by Captain Stacy's last request. Though, the promise can be brought; allowing Gwen to bridge into how her father too faced the same dangers and risks because of his job yet did not push everyone in his life away and was able to build a life/family for himself.
Careful now, you don't want to be saying things that actually make sense here.:woot:
 
Also I'd like to point out that stories can exemplify one aspect of life. The modern story evolved from fabels and wise tales which were ment to teach the listener something about you. Spider-Man for example isn't supposed to teach you that life is miserable, but that you can keep your spirits up through the worst of your problems and that there is always a lesson to be learned from misfortune.
And yet you're the one who said that Peter's story was one of tragedy, not a moment, not one aspect, his story, to which even you yourself pointed out the very UNhopeful ending of. Peter sells his marriage and his unborn child to Mephisto. That is not the act of a man with hope, that's the act of a man who has given up, a man who has become so beaten down by all the tragedy and unhealthy guilt in his life, all the pain, that he just can't take it again.
 
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agghh. Spider-Man is a love story. Batman? X-Men? Iron Man? these arent necessarily love stories. Spider-Man is. One of the main struggles Peter has (besides juggling high school and finances with his superhero identity) is girls.
I wouldn't say Spider-Man is a love story. But his love plays a huge part . it is also one of the things that makes him relatable to his fans .trying to juggle his work, responsibilities,friends,and trying to have girlfriend at the same time Just like you said .It plays a big part in his character. :spidey:
 
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I'm sorry to jump in a conversation that doesn't involve me, but that's the best part of spider-man. Everything both you and LegendAssemble said. He goes through so much pain, and so much suffering but he still gets through it all. At the end of the day, he is still the happy wisecracking web head that still has hope. He is a glimmer of light in a sometimes very dark world. When he is finally happy, you are also happy for him. You feel like this guy earned it.
I'm sorry, but since when does someone have to EARN happiness through pain? He's a superhero, he puts his life on the line everyday, and suddenly he has to suffer in order to, at some undetermined point in the future, find some kind of glimmer of happiness that most likely won't even last. No. No. That's unacceptable. I'm all fine with some pain for my hero, I think it's a neccesary evil for the hero to find himself and to propel the story foward, but, if we're all being honest here, Gwen's death does neither. It's pointless, and it's meaningless, and the one purpose it would serve, Peter understanding that he can't be in a relationship as long as he's Spider-Man, is pointless, because you all want Peter to hook up with Mary-Jane.
 
Here's an alternative... what about the possibility of killing off Aunt May instead?

The killing of a sweet, defenseless old woman would be a far bigger Kick The Dog moment for the villain than killing a girlfriend would. Plus, it frees up the identity of the villain who does the deed as it need not be the Green Goblin.

Meanwhile, it would still achieve the same thing with Captain Stacy's warning - except here, the person who is close to Peter doesn't even know he's Spider-Man yet gets targeted anyway. This would really cause Peter to push away everyone in his life. And since Gwen knows his secret identity and thus why he's doing that, cue the whole "I'm doing this to protect all of you"/"Don't you think we should get to decide for ourselves?" type argument +/- Gwen questioning whether he should simply give up being Spider-Man.

The only thing it doesn't fulfill is the foreshadowing given by Captain Stacy's last request. Though, the promise can be brought; allowing Gwen to bridge into how her father too faced the same dangers and risks because of his job yet did not push everyone in his life away and was able to build a life/family for himself.
I'm not going to lie to you that sounds like a decent story-line. But I highly doubt they will kill off aunt may.
 
Exactly. We don't want her to die because it happened in the comics, we want her to die because its been built up and very much does make sense in this universe.
In what way has it been "built up", besides the Captains message? Which could be interpreted, mind you, as him telling Peter not to let Gwen get involved in his heroics, which actually makes sense, if you consider the situation of Gwen wanting to run up there and help Peter, and himself doing exactly that, and getting fatally wounded. But let's play devil's advocate here for a second. Say he did. Now, if it was MJ in this movie, and we had the exact same situation, would you still be clamouring for her slaughter? Hmm? Did you do that with MJ when the Goblin threw her off the bridge? We're you chanting "KILL HER! KILL HER!" while the Goblin held Mary-Jane by the throat? No. Because it didn't happen that way in the comics.
 
I'm sorry, but since when does someone have to EARN happiness through pain? He's a superhero, he puts his life on the line everyday, and suddenly he has to suffer in order to, at some undetermined point in the future, find some kind of glimmer of happiness that most likely won't even last. No. No. That's unacceptable. I'm all fine with some pain for my hero, I think it's a neccesary evil for the hero to find himself and to propel the story foward, but, if we're all being honest here, Gwen's death does neither. It's pointless, and it's meaningless, and the one purpose it would serve, Peter understanding that he can't be in a relationship as long as he's Spider-Man, is pointless, because you all want Peter to hook up with Mary-Jane.
Lol that's not what I meant, I just mean that you really feel for this guy, and you are glad that he is happy. You can't enjoy the sunny days without some rainy ones, y'know. I didn't mean that anyone is undeserving of happiness. I also want to point out that I have said before, I do not want MJ in this trilogy. While I dont want that, I still would like to say something for the sake of discussion. You said earlier that you need hope, love, and innocence to really live. So, why wouldn't you want Peter to be with MJ, if she makes him feel better and happier. Maybe Pete could realize that after Gwens death, he was sad and miserable and refused to see any other woman, but his relationship with MJ grew, and he realized that he had feelings for MJ, and he knew MJ had feelings for him. Then at the end he ends up with MJ, because she makes him really happy and he thinks there is no point in living if you are going to be unhappy all the time.
 
Why does Peter even need a love interest in this movie at all? Why can't the story just be about him and his struggle as Spider-Man. Why not just ditch of all the girlfriends and make it about him?

I think one of your larger audiences today are young women....they want that demographic....there are few movies out there today, (more than ever before I must say) of strong women in the movies, but still far fewer than strong men characters...yet, women are now the majority here in the US. They want their money as well, and a strong female lead, love interest etc...will bring that demographic in.
 
And yet you're the one who said that Peter's story was one of tragedy, not a moment, not one aspect, his story, to which even you yourself pointed out the very UNhopeful ending of. Peter sells his marriage and his unborn child to Mephisto. That is not the act of a man with hope, that's the act of a man who has given up, a man who has become so beaten down by all the tragedy and unhealthy guilt in his life, all the pain, that he just can't take it again.

No it's a man who knows that he made mistakes and he needs to own up to them and suffer the consequences. He's not Batman he's not brooding, he is just someone who takes the major blows life gives him, and makes the best of it. Plus I also was the one who said I'm not a fan of this story. Regardless I just believe you don't understand the character and you might be happier watching or investing in a different franchize.


I'm sorry, but since when does someone have to EARN happiness through pain? He's a superhero, he puts his life on the line everyday, and suddenly he has to suffer in order to, at some undetermined point in the future, find some kind of glimmer of happiness that most likely won't even last. No. No. That's unacceptable. I'm all fine with some pain for my hero, I think it's a neccesary evil for the hero to find himself and to propel the story foward, but, if we're all being honest here, Gwen's death does neither. It's pointless, and it's meaningless, and the one purpose it would serve, Peter understanding that he can't be in a relationship as long as he's Spider-Man, is pointless, because you all want Peter to hook up with Mary-Jane.

He's a superhero but he's very flawed. The idea is he's learning but he has no one to guide him and sometimes he makes mistakes. This is a story and it's there to teach you something, that good deeds and pushing through hard times will be rewarded. Gwen's death is more of a metaphor for the loss you feel when you lose your first love and how helpless you feel. The fact that the Goblin took her away, but it was Peters actions that killed her, almost represent the way people question if their actions were what made their lover leave. Theoretically, Peter isn't with Mary Jane in the comics right now, and I'd be just as happy if he gets with Mary Jane in Amazing 3 but doesn't want her to end up like Gwen and leaves her. You don't realize that we don't want Gwen to die because it happened in the comics or because we like Mary Jane, but because we like the story

In what way has it been "built up", besides the Captains message? Which could be interpreted, mind you, as him telling Peter not to let Gwen get involved in his heroics, which actually makes sense, if you consider the situation of Gwen wanting to run up there and help Peter, and himself doing exactly that, and getting fatally wounded. But let's play devil's advocate here for a second. Say he did. Now, if it was MJ in this movie, and we had the exact same situation, would you still be clamouring for her slaughter? Hmm? Did you do that with MJ when the Goblin threw her off the bridge? We're you chanting "KILL HER! KILL HER!" while the Goblin held Mary-Jane by the throat? No. Because it didn't happen that way in the comics.

It was obvious foreshadowing. He didn't say keep her out of your heroics he said "you'll make enemies" implying people are going to come after him and his loved ones (like the Lizard did) and that he was there dying in the place of who could have been Gwen. Also if the Lizard wasn't Connors and saw Gwen helping Spider-Man like that, she would have died and there were several times in the movie she almost did. Also Peter directly said he was breaking his promise by being with her. There wasn't any interpretation there.

Also no I was 10 and never read a comic book when I saw the movie and no one is going to be screaming "KILL HER!" because no one will want her to die. If it's an effective death it won't be a fangasm, it will be something that hard for everyone to watch a real tear jerker. A place we feel for Peter and his pain. If it's going to work no one is going to "want it" it's just something that should happen.
 
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I think one of your larger audiences today are young women....they want that demographic....there are few movies out there today, (more than ever before I must say) of strong women in the movies, but still far fewer than strong men characters...yet, women are now the majority here in the US. They want their money as well, and a strong female lead, love interest etc...will bring that demographic in.

Agreed, and to add to that, love is something that brings a lot of people stress and regret. It's a personal conflict everyone has at some point that really can't be appreciated by anyone else. It's a touch that makes them feel more like real people imo.
 
You said earlier that you need hope, love, and innocence to really live. So, why wouldn't you want Peter to be with MJ, if she makes him feel better and happier. Maybe Pete could realize that after Gwens death, he was sad and miserable and refused to see any other woman, but his relationship with MJ grew, and he realized that he had feelings for MJ, and he knew MJ had feelings for him. Then at the end he ends up with MJ, because she makes him really happy and he thinks there is no point in living if you are going to be unhappy all the time.
If Gwen's going to die, Peter getting with MJ negates the whole point it. That doesn't mean I want Peter miserable, it means I want Gwen's death to matter. Peter doesn't have to be hopeless. In the possible second trilogy he can begin a relationship with someone more on his level, someone who won't be in danger by him being Spider-Man, like Black Cat. Or introduce Ben Reily, and he becomes Spider-Man, leaving Peter to try with MJ.
 
If Gwen's going to die, Peter getting with MJ negates the whole point it. That doesn't mean I want Peter miserable, it means I want Gwen's death to matter. Peter doesn't have to be hopeless. In the possible second trilogy he can begin a relationship with someone more on his level, someone who won't be in danger by him being Spider-Man, like Black Cat. Or introduce Ben Reily, and he becomes Spider-Man, leaving Peter to try with MJ.

Have you ever considered maybe it can be ambiguous and there can be more than one reason Gwen dies besides because he's Spider-Man? Heck in the comics he let Norman go because he thought he had amnesia, then it wore off, wouldn't this make him responsible? Maybe it's like Spider-Man 2 where he quits and its his inactivity that causes her to get kidnapped? Theres more than one way to do this.
 
If Gwen's going to die, Peter getting with MJ negates the whole point it. That doesn't mean I want Peter miserable, it means I want Gwen's death to matter. Peter doesn't have to be hopeless. In the possible second trilogy he can begin a relationship with someone more on his level, someone who won't be in danger by him being Spider-Man, like Black Cat. Or introduce Ben Reily, and he becomes Spider-Man, leaving Peter to try with MJ.
Who said Gwen will die for nothing? They could definitely have her death have a huge effect on Peter while still having him get with MJ eventually. I just think that they simply don't have the time. If Peter never meets another girl that he can be happy with and he chooses to push people away from him, he will end up killing himself (maybe a bit exaggerated lol but you get the point). There are other ways to make Gwen's death matter besides having Peter push everyone away from him.
If they have Ben Reilly, and Peter tries to settle down with MJ, (you are going to hate me for this but for some reason I think you already do haha jk jk) I think he should die while Peter is sitting around with his amazing powers doing nothing to help Ben.
 
I want Gwen's to have an impact on Peter, I just don't want that impact to entail Peter saying "oh, I can get jiggy with the hot red head now." I want that impact to be Peter still knowing that he does put himself in danger all to bring justice to criminals, but that he can't bring anyone he cares about in too deep.
 
I want Gwen's to have an impact on Peter, I just don't want that impact to entail Peter saying "oh, I can get jiggy with the hot red head now." I want that impact to be Peter still knowing that he does put himself in danger all to bring justice to criminals, but that he can't bring anyone he cares about in too deep.

Like I've said it's possible to do Mary Jane and Gwens death, without making them feel connected or like Gwen had no impact. You guys just need to think outside the box.
 
Like I've said it's possible to do Mary Jane and Gwens death, without making them feel connected or like Gwen had no impact. You guys just need to think outside the box.

I am thinking outside of the box, which is why I suggested the possibility of Peter not ending up with MJ after Gwen's death. We are all thinking of the possibilities here.
 
I want to see this and in movie 3

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I think MJ should be introduced pretty soon, as more of a background character who grows to be more of a friend to Peter. She could easily feel like just a friend before, during, and after Gwen's death. They don't even need to definitively get together, just leave it as an eventual possibility. If the series goes on long enough, Peter can start having/ realizing his feelings for her, but if not, no big deal. We all know they eventually get together.
 
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