The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[Spiderman6592]

We saw stories with MJ explored in the first trilogy. And besides, like I said it can be shown that he's dating MJ at the end of the third film. Then the next reboot can open up with Spider-Man already having acquired his powers and dating Mary Jane. I want a full Gwen Stacy trilogy. I don't want Mary Jane as a love interest and I DEFINITELY don't want another love triangle.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think MJ will definitely be introduced in either this, or the sequel. Regardless of whether or not Gwen dies in the sequel.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think MJ will definitely be introduced in either this, or the sequel. Regardless of whether or not Gwen dies in the sequel.

Personally, I think it is a huge mistake to leave Mary Jane Watson and Harry Osborn out of this film.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I know that. I want Mary Jane to be a character, but I don't want her to be a full blown love interest. I want her to be Peter AND Gwen's very good friend. Maybe have Harry and MJ date until the end of the third when Peter and MJ start going out. I mean you can't have a Spider-Man story without Mary Jane playing some type of role, I just don't want that role to be the same that it was in the last story.

 

[spideyguy16]

I like that idea. Mj is the cool girl that hides her personal life. Shes everybodys freind without trying to be.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Indeed. She should be "the girl next door" but I don't want her as a love interest. I also just think it would serve as an injustice to the character if they killed off Gwen and had Mary Jane as a love interest in the next film. It'd be cluttered, forced and just kind of pointless. I want Gwen's death to have an impact. If she dies in the second movie it will just be like, "Oh well. At least he has Mary Jane.". If she dies in the third movie, when audiences have grown with and taken a liking to the character, it would be truly tragic.

If she died in the second film, it'd be like Batman. I never really felt sorry for Bruce when Rachel died, because I knew he'd just have a new love interest in the third film. It would take away from the tragicness of the situation.

 

[spideyguy16]

I eant mj to have her time with pete too though. Shes the gf that actually liked spiderman lol.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Indeed. She should be "the girl next door" but I don't want her as a love interest. I also just think it would serve as an injustice to the character if they killed off Gwen and had Mary Jane as a love interest in the next film. It'd be cluttered, forced and just kind of pointless. I want Gwen's death to have an impact. If she dies in the second movie it will just be like, "Oh well. At least he has Mary Jane.". If she dies in the third movie, when audiences have grown with and taken a liking to the character, it would be truly tragic.

If she died in the second film, it'd be like Batman. I never really felt sorry for Bruce when Rachel died, because I knew he'd just have a new love interest in the third film. It would take away from the tragicness of the situation.

But the story shouldn't end with Gwen Stacy's death, because there's still more story worth telling. Half of the impact of Gwen Stacy's death was the aftermath, and not seeing that would be a disappointment in my opinion.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I eant mj to have her time with pete too though. Shes the gf that actually liked spiderman lol.

Agreed.

 

[Oscorp]

I agree. Everyone tries to cite Rachel's death in TDK as the "It's been done before." moment, but Rachel died at the hands of the villain, and while tragic, it doesn't even hold a ****ing candle to the death of Gwen Stacy.

This is particularly why I want her death to be in the final film of the franchise. Sure, the trilogy would end on a somber, almost depressing note, but it would set the film apart from others forever, really. It would shock the general audience after letting them fall in love with the character for almost 3 films. I think it would rock the cinematic world just like it did the comic world in the 1960s.

Picture this:

It's TASM 3 and Norman Osborn has been set up as the ultimate villain for 3 films spanning nearly 6 years. The hero's love interest is being held captive at the top of the George Washington Bridge and the audience is gearing up for another heroic save. The Green Goblin drops Gwen, it seems as though Spider-Man has saved her. He pulls her up but she won't wake up. He begs and pleads for Gwen to wake up but she won't. The Goblin arises in the background laughing. He taunts Spider-Man/Peter for being so smart yet not being able to realize that he had just caused her death. Peter, so saddened that he can barely move, swears revenge on the Goblin as he escapes. The scene ends with Peter holding Gwen in his arms.


Obviously the movie would end after Spider-Man found Goblin and beat him down. At this point Mary Jane should have been introduced, but not as a love interest. Simply as a friend to both Peter AND Gwen. There could be a scene towards the end of the film after Spidey's encounter with Goblin has been resolved where Mary Jane and Peter are comforting each other over the loss of their friend. A "1 Year Later" screen could show up and Mary Jane and Peter are studying together. Peter eventually asks Mary Jane out on a date and she accepts.


That's my ideal ending to the trilogy as it is very bittersweet and would leave a mark on CBMs forever. It also reminds me a bit of the (500) Days of Summer ending which would be a cool similarity between Marc Webb's works.

I agree with this, great post!

I feel VERY confident with Webb handelling the death of Gwen (and Green Goblin). Yes, I know we haven't even seen his first Spider-Man movie. But they way he did (500) Days of Summer, I think when he gives us his vision on the death of Gwen (which I feel pretty certain that he will in one of the sequels), we -the audience- will REALLY feel all the emotions.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I think it is a huge mistake to leave Mary Jane Watson and Harry Osborn out of this film.

Agreed. Granted, Harry did not show up until 1965, but still, I wouldn't have left him out. He's a major major character.

 

[Spiderman6592]

But the story shouldn't end with Gwen Stacy's death, because there's still more story worth telling. Half of the impact of Gwen Stacy's death was the aftermath, and not seeing that would be a disappointment in my opinion.

I don't understand what you're missing about the facts that:

A. We already saw a Mary Jane centric story.

and

B. The next reboot can very easily explore said stories as well.


Introducing Mary Jane as a love interest in the third film would completely take away from the gravity of the situation. Having Gwen die in the middle of the second film would be a ****ing disaster. It would make a mess of the trilogy and there would no longer be anything to build up to.

You can say that part of what made Gwen's death so groundbreaking was what happened after but that isn't true. Sure, people were wondering, "Well what happens now?" but that can be answered by having Mary Jane accept Peter's offer to go out on a date at the end of the third film.

People would forget about Gwen's death entirely if it was just thrown in the middle of the big picture. It would become a complete afterthought just like Rachel's death in TDK. No one cites Rachel's death as a big deal when they talk about Nolan's Batman films. I don't want that to happen with Gwen. I want people to be genuinely shocked.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Agreed. Granted, Harry did not show up until 1965, but still, I wouldn't have left him out. He's a major major character.

If you notice, in most recently-created Spider-Man continuities (Ultimate Spider-Man, the Sam Raimi Trilogy, The Spectacular Spider-Man) Harry Osborn and Mary Jane Watson show up in the beginning, even though they didn't show up until Peter was in college in the comics(neither did Gwen for that matter). Why? Because they became the most important supporting cast characters of all over the intervening years.

 

[Oscorp]

Oh, and btw, about people saying TDK "already did that"...

To be completely honest. TDK is great and all. IMO, it beats the crap out of the other superhero movies, and many many movies in general as well.

BUT, Rachel was a very annoying character IMO. There's something about Maggie Gyllenhaal that just makes me want to punch her in her face (no I don't punch girls but you get it).

I think Gwen in this series will actually be a likeable character and that alone makes it a huge difference

 

[Curmudgeon]

Personally, I think it is a huge mistake to leave Mary Jane Watson and Harry Osborn out of this film.

I think there's so much going on in this film with the origin, Gwen, Captain Stacy, Connors/Lizard, and Peter's parents that it would be difficult to do MJ and Harry justice. It seems like they would get swept to the side and largely ignored. I don't want them to be there just to be there.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I don't understand what you're missing about the facts that:

A. We already saw a Mary Jane centric story.

and

B. The next reboot can very easily explore said stories as well.


Introducing Mary Jane as a love interest in the third film would completely take away from the gravity of the situation. Having Gwen die in the middle of the second film would be a ****ing disaster. It would make a mess of the trilogy and there would no longer be anything to build up to.

You can say that part of what made Gwen's death so groundbreaking was what happened after but that isn't true. Sure, people were wondering, "Well what happens now?" but that can be answered by having Mary Jane accept Peter's offer to go out on a date at the end of the third film.

People would forget about Gwen's death entirely if it was just thrown in the middle of the big picture. It would become a complete afterthought just like Rachel's death in TDK. No one cites Rachel's death as a big deal when they talk about Nolan's Batman films. I don't want that to happen with Gwen. I want people to be genuinely shocked.

I never said put Gwen's death of the middle of the second film. Put her death at the end of the film, with more films left. Gwen's death should not be an end to the series, but a personal turning point for Peter. There's also a lot of stories that can be launched from her death so there's so much left to be done. There's no need to reboot the franchise to tell those stories. That's just wasteful.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Introducing Mary Jane as a love interest in the third film would completely take away from the gravity of the situation. Having Gwen die in the middle of the second film would be a ****ing disaster. It would make a mess of the trilogy and there would no longer be anything to build up to.

You can say that part of what made Gwen's death so groundbreaking was what happened after but that isn't true. Sure, people were wondering, "Well what happens now?" but that can be answered by having Mary Jane accept Peter's offer to go out on a date at the end of the third film.

People would forget about Gwen's death entirely if it was just thrown in the middle of the big picture. It would become a complete afterthought just like Rachel's death in TDK. No one cites Rachel's death as a big deal when they talk about Nolan's Batman films. I don't want that to happen with Gwen. I want people to be genuinely shocked.

Spot-on, couldn't have said it better. I would be absolutely shocked if Gwen dies in the second. Her death will be built up over three movies for the ultimate climax and payoff.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think there's so much going on in this film with the origin, Gwen, Captain Stacy, Connors/Lizard, and Peter's parents that it would be difficult to do MJ and Harry justice. It seems like they would get swept to the side and largely ignored. I don't want them to be there just to be there.

Quite frankly, Mary Jane and Harry are more important than those things. Harry Osborn is a central component in Peter's arch rivalry with Norman Osborn, and Mary Jane is the woman he married.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Quite frankly, Mary Jane and Harry are more important than those things. Harry Osborn is a central component in Peter's arch rivalry with Norman Osborn, and Mary Jane is the woman he married.

True, but it is because of that importance that I don't want them to be shoe-horned in as pointless side characters. I say wait for the sequel and actually give them something to do than just an appearance for the sake of it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

True, but it is because of that importance that I don't want them to be shoe-horned in as pointless side characters. I say wait for the sequel and actually give them something to do than just an appearance for the sake of it.

What I'm saying is that those things should be eliminated before Harry Osborn and Mary Jane Watson. They should take precedence and priority. It's one of the reasons that I am not as excited for this reboot as I would like to be.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

What I'm saying is that those things should be eliminated before Harry Osborn and Mary Jane Watson. They should take precedence and priority. It's one of the reasons that I am not as excited for this reboot as I would like to be.

So you wanted them to eliminate the Stacy's and Curt Connors, just to rehash what Raimi already did in the first film, with MJ, Harry and Norman?

 

[Curmudgeon]

What I'm saying is that those things should be eliminated before Harry Osborn and Mary Jane Watson. They should take precedence and priority. It's one of the reasons that I am not as excited for this reboot as I would like to be.

They're more important than Peter's parents, but I think Gwen is just as important and if you have Gwen you have to have Captain Stacy. Plus, I think the origin is necessary for a reboot. And of course there must be a villain. So even if you left out Peter's parents there's still plenty going on to that including MJ/Harry would be too much.

 

[Troy_Parker]

TASM 2: MJ is introduced (if she doesn't have a cameo in TASM) not as a love interest though. Gwen dies.

TASM 3: Pretty much more than half of the movie is based around the aftermath of Gwen's death, and how Peter has reacted to it. MJ is trying to console Peter, but he keeps pushing her away. Fast forward a few months, possibly a year and Peter has started to let MJ in. Still not together yet, but closer.

TASM 4: Peter is starting to develop feelings for MJ, and eventually ends up with her by the end of the movie.


That's how I'd like the love interest part of this franchise to play out.

 

[Spiderman6592]

The only way I see Gwen's death working in the second film is if the second film ended with Peter holding Gwen in his arms and third picking up right where that left off.

 

[Godzilla2014]

So you wanted them to eliminate the Stacy's and Curt Connors, just to rehash what Raimi already did in the first film, with MJ, Harry and Norman?

No, I'd definitely scrap telling the origin again. Start with Peter already in college, and have Mary Jane Watson, Harry Osborn, and Gwen Stacy, with Norman in there as well. Just because you use the same characters doesn't mean you have to do the same things with them. After all, Batman and The Dark Knight werevery different movies, despite having many of the same characters.

They're more important than Peter's parents, but I think Gwen is just as important and if you have Gwen you have to have Captain Stacy. Plus, I think the origin is necessary for a reboot. And of course there must be a villain. So even if you left out Peter's parents there's still plenty going on to that including MJ/Harry would be too much.

Mary Jane and Harry are each as important as Gwen Stacy, and since there are two of them and one Gwen, they would take precedent. Also, you don't have to have Captain Stacy if you have Gwen.

People know the goddamn origin already, we already saw done well in Spider-Man, so there's no need to tell it again.

I'll take Harry Osborn and Mary Jane over Gwen Stacy and Cpt. Stacy any day.