Which Green Lantern should be used? - Part 2

[Micromind]

Wow, Green Lantern got it's sub-forum back !

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yeah it's nice to have it back!
It's a shame, leading up to Green Lantern 2011, I thought that movie would dominate 2011. The cast seemed good and I had faith in the director. Whatta disappointment.

It's not even a horrible movie, it just didn't reach its potential.

If tht movie would've been good, it would've been part 1 of the DCCU and we'd already have a Sinestro centric sequel ! Damn

This time around they need to go for a director that is well versed in visual effects

Martin Campbell's work helped **** GL up. The movie just wasn't as visually pleasing as it should've been

GL needs Ridley Scott/Prometheus level visuals

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Campbell is a great Journeyman director but a journeyman director is 100% the wrong director for Green Lantern. Such weird material needs a solid director with a discernible style. The visuals definitely have to be there.

The first mistake was that lazy, dull as dishwasher and poorly written script though. For the love of all that is holy get a decent script together that's not just made up of parts of better comicbook movies.

 

[ThePhantasm]

IMO the only way to make a good GL movie is to skip the origin (it can be covered in a quick flashback) and jump right into the Sinestro War. Cover Hal and Sinestro's friendship again through flashbacks. Make it a space opera on an epic scale.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Agreed. the scenes on earth were especially cringeworthy.
I would've removed the scenes where Hal is a kid, and i would've removed the scene with Hal and his family.

they should've just set most of the movie in space. Parallax could've been the sole villain. Hector was a joke, and the childhood connection between Hector, Carol and Hal was unnecessary and badly handled

the final battle would've been way better if the CGI for Parallax was better. that design was unbelievably bad. The guardians and the aliens on Oa looked really poorly rendered, they should've gone with practical effects

the movie to be inspired by is Empire Strikes Back imo

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not even a CGI nitpicker and even I was disappointed by the CGI, it looked half finished. I'd perfer practical as well but with CGI enhancements if needed.

Empire Strikes Back is always a good film to look at when one is making a space epic.

 

[brainchild81]

Even the HEAT crap turned me off to him. That and Johns & Didio's logic that only him and Barry matter and damn the others (who's quirks will be knicked to make one r the other better) is distrurbing beyond belief.m

I grew up w/Barry so I'm not pissed that he came back because he's a pretty cool character. I am quite pissed about what's happened to Wally tho. I've been a fan of his ever since my brother gave me a book where Wally was trying to force a demon to pay his income tax. He was even more hilarious on the Justice League show &was an ultra-badass when he FUBARed Lexiac. Erasing Wally from existence was bad enough, but then to bring him back as a black stereotype was just infuriating. Wally was fine the way he was. It's like they just sat around & brainstormed for ideas to piss off Wally's fanbase. I've absolutely no use for Didio or Johns. They can't seem to promote their favorites w/out ****ting on everybody that they aren't fanboys of

I can understand the hate for the New 52 Hal Jordan, his annoying moments are plenty.

Sure Hal had his *****y moments before Flashpoint 2.0, but they weren't many, and he matured to be one of the most respected heroes, when he wasn't on his rampage to kill the Guardians and every other GL, or when Batman was punching him.

I just saw him as uninteresting back in the day. He was the worst thing in JL:War & this new bonding thing w/Bruce just doesn't seem right. Looks like Johns is trying to use Bats to make Hal more popular.

Think of it this way: Hal is by far the most famous (in the minds of most of the GA, he IS GL) and has, by far, the most source material upon which to draw. With 55 years of history, WB still couldn't launch a successful franchise with one of DC's top 5 most famous heroes. What would they have done with lesser-known characters?

While I like Kyle slightly better than Hal and John every bit as much as Hal, WB has some work to do before convincing GL fans that they can do any of the characters in the mythos justice. Hal has the best chance because he's the most iconic.

W/all due respect, your opinion of Hal's GA popularity is overly influenced by your love of the GL mythos. You said Hal was more iconic than Kirk IIRC and you called Hal a pop culture icon. He's neither. Never has been. Videos like the one in my sig wouldn't be made for an icon. I'd say GL = nothing to most of the GA. To the rest GL is probably John. "Why is GL white" is something that wouldn't have been heard so much if GL = Hal to the GA. Hal's the guy we got when people wanted & expected John. You wouldn't hear the GA complaining if John is there and Hal isn't. The only complaints would be from Hal's comic fans & they wouldn't amount to anything, same as when they *****ed about Hal not being in JL/JLU. Hal doesn't have enough fans to make a big budget movie w/him succeed or enough to make one w/out him fail.

Yeah it's nice to have it back!
It's a shame, leading up to Green Lantern 2011, I thought that movie would dominate 2011. The cast seemed good and I had faith in the director. Whatta disappointment.

It's not even a horrible movie, it just didn't reach its potential.

It's pretty damned horrible. I said(on SHH an another forum) &knew it was gonna do poorly as soon as I found out it was gonna be Hal & this was back when I just had apathy for him. The movie failed even worse than I thought it would. I honestly haven't seen anything since I made those predictions to give me any reason to believe he'll be succesful the next time around. If he's like what I've seen of him in the new 52 so far, he'll be even less likeable. I'm not here to aggravate you or any of his fans, I just honestly think using him was a mistake that they really should avoid making again.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Once again you have no idea wtf you're talking about

Lol at the idea that you knew GL 2011 would fail if Hal was used . Whatta joke . If anything it would've failed harder with John because he has such lame material to draw from.

Kirk is more well known than Hal but Hal is a character along the lines of Han or Kirk. That's true.

Once again you only talk about the General audience. Your arguments are baseless once again.

The facts are clear

Hal has better stories and better villains and he is simply a stronger character than John. Hal simply has more potential for a movie series

Without question the center of the GL universe is Sinestro and Hals antagonistic relationship. To avoid that would be a waste


A solo John movie is a horrible idea tht really shouldn't be entertained unless he steals some of Hals stories and relationships

John is such a weak character that he has to steal a better character's storylines and relationships in order to create a decent and cohesive storyline for a movie

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yeah it's nice to have it back!
It's a shame, leading up to Green Lantern 2011, I thought that movie would dominate 2011. The cast seemed good and I had faith in the director. Whatta disappointment.

It's not even a horrible movie, it just didn't reach its potential.

I agree that it wasn't a bad movie, but there were too many cooks in the kitchen. The promotion was terrible, too. That whole scenario is a study in how NOT to handle a comic book mythos on film.

IMO the only way to make a good GL movie is to skip the origin (it can be covered in a quick flashback) and jump right into the Sinestro War. Cover Hal and Sinestro's friendship again through flashbacks. Make it a space opera on an epic scale.

The selection process with Hal can be done in a short amount of time, but the next movie can't skimp on the Corps and Oa. If the GL mythos is going to distinguish itself on the silver screen, it has to rely on the space opera aspects instead of the usual super hero formula.

.W/all due respect, your opinion of Hal's GA popularity is overly influenced by your love of the GL mythos. You said Hal was more iconic than Kirk IIRC and you called Hal a pop culture icon. He's neither. Never has been. Videos like the one in my sig wouldn't be made for an icon. I'd say GL = nothing to most of the GA. To the rest GL is probably John. "Why is GL white" is something that wouldn't have been heard so much if GL = Hal to the GA. Hal's the guy we got when people wanted & expected John. You wouldn't hear the GA complaining if John is there and Hal isn't. .

Also with all due respect, your opinion of John's popularity is based soley on your love of the JL 'toon. Not only did that show eventually marginalize John after 2 seasons, but it rarely tapped into the GL mythos. That version of John was thinly-written and would never work as part of live action.

Over the last 5 years, Hal has only become more solidified as the centerpiece of the Lanternverse. Anyone who has seen JL-Doom, JL: The FLashpoint Paradox, JL:War, The Green Lantern Animated Series, The Lego movie or the upcoming Throne of Atlantis will have been/will be seeing Hal as GL yet again. The fact (and it is indeed a fact) is that the combined non-print appearances of John, Kyle, Guy, and Alan don't even come close to the appearances of Hal. You don't have to take my word, just look it up.

Once again you have no idea wtf you're talking about

Lol at the idea that you knew GL 2011 would fail if Hal was used . Whatta joke . If anything it would've failed harder with John because he has such lame material to draw from.

I cringe when I think of what WB would have done to John. John's personality is similar to Hal's, and his history is also serious and tragic. Obviously, WB was too busy trying to create their own Iron Man franchise to have done John any justice back then.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I just saw him as uninteresting back in the day. He was the worst thing in JL:War & this new bonding thing w/Bruce just doesn't seem right. Looks like Johns is trying to use Bats to make Hal more popular.

JL:War is post reboot Hal, and I agree about him being the worst thing in that movie.

W/all due respect, your opinion of Hal's GA popularity is overly influenced by your love of the GL mythos. You said Hal was more iconic than Kirk IIRC and you called Hal a pop culture icon. He's neither. Never has been. Videos like the one in my sig wouldn't be made for an icon.

Hal is definitely not more iconic than Kirk, I agree with this.
Onion TV exaggerate, it's over the top comedy made for some laughs.

 

[Lantern Venom]

JL:War is post reboot Hal, and I agree about him being the worst thing in that movie.

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Hal was 2nd only to Cyborg in being the star of that film. Vic's story was the glue that held it together, but Hal was uproarious.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm iffy on Justice League War, I like a lot of it, but some scenes don't work for me. it was lacking and it worked better as a comic IMO. The uniqueness of each member was properly shown and i think they nailed the team dynamic, but Hal could've been less of a doofus. They played up some of his traits to create a unique dynamic between him and the rest of the team.

My favorite animated Hal appearances are in GL First Flight and Green Lantern The Animated Series, any self respecting GL fan should watch those right now if they haven't

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'm iffy on Justice League War, I like a lot of it, but some scenes don't work for me. it was lacking and it worked better as a comic IMO. The uniqueness of each member was properly shown and i think they nailed the team dynamic, but Hal could've been less of a doofus. They played up some of his traits to create a unique dynamic between him and the rest of the team.

My favorite animated Hal appearances are in GL First Flight and Green Lantern The Animated Series, any self respecting GL fan should watch those right now if they haven't

I noticed that GLTAS is on Netflix now, but I didn't watch it again because I've been waiting to get the series on DVD or Bluray so I can binge-watch it in one sitting.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It's such a crime that we didn't get to see Sinestro as a villain in that series. And they were building towards Blackest Night. I wish they could've wrapped the story up. Same with Young Justice.

 

[Lantern Venom]

It's such a crime that we didn't get to see Sinestro as a villain in that series. And they were building towards Blackest Night. I wish they could've wrapped the story up. Same with Young Justice.

Yes indeed, I marked out when I saw the Book of Black. I was hoping for the Indigo Tribe and Alan Scott in season 2 as well. The Razer/Aya storyline was getting good too.

 

[Lantern Venom]

 

[Rorschach2012]

So many places to go with GL TAS, such a shame

Alan Scott, John Stewart, yellow lantern Sinestro and Indigos would've been my hopes for season 2. And maybe a crossover episode with Hawkman, Flash, Green Arrow or Martian Manhunter

 

[Lantern Venom]

So many places to go with GL TAS, such a shame

Alan Scott, John Stewart, yellow lantern Sinestro and Indigos would've been my hopes for season 2. And maybe a crossover episode with Hawkman, Flash, Green Arrow or Martian Manhunter

Any or all of those would have been nice. Mongul would have been a sweet baddie to introduce after Anti-Monitor as well.

 

[Rorschach2012]

A GL tv series is a great way to bring in Mongul

I saw a suggestion for a John/Mongul movie being the reboot , and that's really not GL centric enough for me. It'd be better to have a GL centric villain for the next movie instead of having to resort to greater DC villains because John has no villains of his own.

Mongul is a great villain but to use him in a GL movie and to never use Sinestro would be a huge slap in the face to fans

A Mongul/John movie gets a hell no from me, but a Mongul appearance on a GL tv show or a GL movie (after Sinestro has been established) would be fine

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

A GL tv series is a great way to bring in Mongul

I saw a suggestion for a John/Mongul movie being the reboot , and that's really not GL centric enough for me. It'd be better to have a GL centric villain for the next movie instead of having to resort to greater DC villains because John has no villains of his own.

Mongul is a great villain but to use him in a GL movie and to never use Sinestro would be a huge slap in the face to fans

A Mongul/John movie gets a hell no from me, but a Mongul appearance on a GL tv show or a GL movie (after Sinestro has been established) would be fine

That was me. I suggested that because I wanted to keep Sinestro with Hal. I am working on a script for a John Stewart origin that includes Mongul as the villain (as well as Alan Scott as John's mentor) but also had a Sinestro/Hal cameo in it.

Also it's important to note: Idris Elba isn't fond of being Heimdall.

"I’d just done eight months in South Africa. I came to England and the day I came back I had to do reshoots on Thor 2. And in the actual scene my hair was different, my…” He stops and sighs. “I was like, ‘This is torture, man. I don’t want to do this.’ My agent said: ‘You have to, it’s part of the deal.’ ” In the Dark World scene he's referring to, “I’m actually falling down from a spaceship, so they had to put me in harness in this green-screen studio. And in between takes I was stuck there, fake hair stuck on to my head with glue, this f------ helmet, while they reset. And I’m thinking: ‘24 hours ago, I was Mandela’. When I walked into the set the extras called me Madiba. I was literally walking in this man’s boots. [Within] six months, the crew, we were all so in love with this film we had made. I was him. I was Mandela, practically.” He continued, “Then there I was, in this stupid harness, with this wig and this sword and these contact lenses. It ripped my heart out.”

Hey Idris:

 

[Brian Braddock]

Campbell's an in-camera practical stunt director, not a CG director. To this day I don't know what they were thinking by giving him the gig; talk about being out of your depth. Between that and the script, no wonder the movie was a disaster. Some folk seem to place the blame squarely on Reynolds, but when you look at what he was working with, I think he actually did a good job. With a writer and a director who actually knew who the hell Has was, Reynolds would have knocked it out of the park, not a doubt in my mind.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm really just not sold on John leading the reboot
Someone sell the idea to me because every John movie pitch I've seen utterly pales in comparison to the idea of a Hal vs Sinestro movie

 

[Rorschach2012]

Interesting quote from Elba.

I mean if they got that mofo as GL, it'd certainly ease me into the idea of John leading the reboot. He's just so perfect for the role. Give me a Idris John that has Hals relationship with Sinestro, and I'll be happy

You can't overlook Sinestro. That's the biggest downside of John Stewart, he doesn't have a strong nemesis. That's crucial. To work, he literally has to steal another characters relationship with the villain.....

Sorry Levi but I think Idris fits John better than Boseman ever did.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I'm really just not sold on John leading the reboot
Someone sell the idea to me because every John movie pitch I've seen utterly pales in comparison to the idea of a Hal vs Sinestro movie

The best way I could describe my John origin is I never wanted to use Sinestro. I didn't want to take away from Hal. I did think of other ideas. Since John is from Detroit, I thought of Detroit now how it's basically the closest thing we will get to a modern day Gotham. John as a GL to Detroit is kind of like putting Superman in Gotham. I do have some space ideas with him and Alan Scott. I know you would love my Alan Scott. I thought of how to approach Alan and the best way to describe it is there is some Adam West in him but my main influence was Bruce Campbell. Very nostalgic.

Sorry Levi but I think Idris fits John better than Boseman ever did.

Nothing to be sorry about. I would have preferred Elba over Chadwick but thought Chadwick was more realistic.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Hmm your story sounds interesting. And Alan Scott should definitely be incorporated into these movies at some point. Bruce Campbell meets Adam West is intriguing...

Still though i don't think that much emphasis needs to be placed on earth. That was one of my problems with GL 2011, the space scenes were so much more engaging. I would set the entire movie in space aside from brief scenes on earth at the beginning and end.

I see GL's solo adventures being set primarily in space, that interests me more when he's off earth doing his own thing.

Geoff Johns' Green Lantern is DC's answer to Star Wars. This idea wouldn't be that at all.

I also don't think that Detroit should be Green Lantern's "Gotham". Space is Green Lantern's Gotham.

Your ideas appeal to me but I'd rather see them in comic form, i don't think that direction would be right for the film series.

The most epic and cinematic Green Lantern tales with the grandest scale involve Hal.

With John, the writer would be forced to create a GL story from scratch unless they drew heavily from Hal and Kyle's stories. The writer shouldn't be doing a direct adaptation of any GL comics, but they should be as inspired by the comics as Nolan and co were inspired by Batman comics on TDKT. The quality source material is alreadt there to draw from, and it features Hal.