Which Hulk Is Stronger? (2008 or 2003)

[November Rain]

you know i'm not actually opposed to it. Infact you probably did get some size morphing but weren't aware of it.

The hulk's relative size towards blonsky, vehicles, people and buildings did alter slightly either during the same scene or in other scenes in order to get him to do stuff. But one doesn't notice it, same way one's never really noticed or sat down to thinking about the things he's done in the comics and what relationship his body would have to be to that feat in order to perform it.


the only problem with the size morphing i had was he never came down a grade. If they showed him going up and down (down to interact with humans or maybe simply not growing so soon), then many people wouldn;t have had a problem with it.

I will say he needed to be big with his first encounter with betty in order to mirror the dream she had.

banner was a big man who picked up a small child , sat her downand tried to kill her
Hulk was a large being who picked up a grown woman in a similar way to before, sat her down and then saved her life.

I saw that connection ang tried to make but many don't, I made a thread about it, it got hit by the usual 'ugh he shouldn't have been big, hated it' stuff without any real thought into the correlation of those scenes and what it meant to betty.

 

[Sava]

you know i'm not actually opposed to it. Infact you probably did get some size morphing but weren't aware of it.

The hulk's relative size towards blonsky, vehicles, people and buildings did alter slightly either during the same scene or in other scenes in order to get him to do stuff. But one doesn't notice it, same way one's never really noticed or sat down to thinking about the things he's done in the comics and what relationship his body would have to be to that feat in order to perform it.


the only problem with the size morphing i had was he never came down a grade. If they showed him going up and down (down to interact with humans or maybe simply not growing so soon), then many people wouldn;t have had a problem with it.

I will say he needed to be big with his first encounter with betty in order to mirror the dream she had.

banner was a big man who picked up a small child , sat her downand tried to kill her
Hulk was a large being who picked up a grown woman in a similar way to before, sat her down and then saved her life.

I saw that connection ang tried to make but many don't, I made a thread about it, it got hit by the usual 'ugh he shouldn't have been big, hated it' stuff without any real thought into the correlation of those scenes and what it meant to betty.

what does that scene mean?... i never understood it.

 

[Judson Caspian]

Okay, so if he jumped from Brazil to Guatamala... does it matter? No. Because it wasn't shown. If a scene wasn't filmed in a movie, it doesn't exist for the audience, and you'll have to use your imagination. It's not quite the same thing if I have to imagine a scene in my mind...

I've seen the movie and... yeah, it's way better than Ang Lee's film. More action, better actors etc. And every ability The Hulk has in the comic books is there; the Thunderclap, the Ground Slam. How cool isn't that. Except one ability: The breathtaking leaps. Now, it's been mentioned a lot that this is the Hulk movie we all have been waiting for. And yeah, it is, almost. I totally understand why they wanted to minimize the jumping range, that they didn't want the Hulk to seem too weightless. This also makes me think of a certain video game. Well, actually two: Ultimate Destruction and The Incredible Hulk, based on Leterrier's movie. Looking at how far and high the Hulk jumps in these games, I realised that his jumping ranges are perfect. He doesn't jump for miles, it's more like kilometers, which would've been more reasonable for the movie. In fact, let's take a look at how far he leaps in the license game:

First of all, why is that jumping range in the game, but not in the movie? Will it be included on the DVD? What's going on here? As you can see, there's a major difference between these jumps and those he executes in Ang Lee's film.

 

[ironwez20]

for some one who doesnt care, you keep posting in this thread alot.

the cast is better in this one, like someone else said, the design is better in 08, while 03 is just stronger.

yea it seems like i care doesnt it

 

[November Rain]

what does that scene mean?... i never understood it.

I've always thought it meant she grasped that it was banner and therefore was not afraid of the hulk, more in awe. It was there first connection.

The fact that the hulk reacted the bruce's subconcious in this film and while thinking of betty, he'd act upon one of his memories of her (kinda similar to the way the hulk loved the desert smells based on bruce's memories).

I'm not 100% sure on this because ultimately, it's a very very subtle set of scenes which when isolated don't really mean anything but together make sense but some dialouge would have helped. A line from betty initially saying 'I've never told anyone this before' then with the hulk saying 'It's just like my dream...Bruce..is that you?' would have been more effective but would have lost the subtlety i liked.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

How many times did he have to swing it to get it that far? How about when he walked to the second tank....he struggled to bend the tanks cannon. This debate will never see an outcome. Because the 08 Hulk will never be in the 03 movie....and the 03 Hulk will never be in the 08 movie. What it boils down to is this, they are both the hulk in different universes (don't know if that makes sense) The 03 Hulk was 15 ft tall...9 ft for the 08 Hulk......Abom was 11 feet. They are just different movies all together....03 being the one that shouldn't have happened. (it just wasn't Hulk, IMO)

Like I said a while back, they do exist in separate universes. I was just clarifying the most powerful feat in each movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've always thought it meant she grasped that it was banner and therefore was not afraid of the hulk, more in awe. It was there first connection.

The fact that the hulk reacted the bruce's subconcious in this film and while thinking of betty, he'd act upon one of his memories of her (kinda similar to the way the hulk loved the desert smells based on bruce's memories).

I'm not 100% sure on this because ultimately, it's a very very subtle set of scenes which when isolated don't really mean anything but together make sense but some dialouge would have helped. A line from betty initially saying 'I've never told anyone this before' then with the hulk saying 'It's just like my dream...Bruce..is that you?' would have been more effective but would have lost the subtlety i liked.

I dont think there is a need for a line of dialogue in that scene, its perfect the way it is and it mirrors Betty's dream perfectly, but it shows that she was wrong about Bruce, she thought what he had bottled up inside of him was a monstor, who wanted to hurt and kill people, she was wrong, it was Bruce's anger, but manifasted in a heroic way, that he used to protect Betty not hurt her. It was an excellent scene and the type of thing i missed in the new movie.

Oh, and BTW, the 03 Hulk could take on 08 Hulk AND Abomination at the same time, and still win, he is much more powerful.

 

[Comicfan]

THe hulk dog has bitten his shoulder, so he gets angry and his shoulder gets bigger and stronger and actually breaks the dogs jaw (one of the coolest scenes in a superhero film).

The new film does none of this. Honestly, ask a non hulk fan if they thought he got stronger as he got madder, the majority would have no clue because nothing in the film clearly indicates it. One could argue simply he put more effort in when he saw betty was in danger which is a typical movie book cliche. I couldn't count the amount of times a hero has come back from the brink of defeat to take down a villain.

If they don´t clearly state the "more anger, more strenght" aspect people won´t notice it

In Ang´s Hulk, even if it was clear that hulk keeps getting stronger everytime he gets madder, they make sure that betty mentioned also, so it was clear for everyone

And about hulk defeating abom, Non Hulk fans (regular moviegoers) would see this just as the Hulk getting a second wind, which is very comon in movies when the hero love interest is in peril

Its like making and ironman movie and omiting the hearth problem issue, just because we all (comicfans) know he has a hearth condition, and we expect that people will figure out because the ironman suit has that shinny thing in the chest

 

[Midnight Black]

08 Hulk had to strain a little bit picking up the tank Lexar. Rewatch that scene. 03 spun around 3 times and tossed the tank miles, not yards, miles. Yes, throwing an engine and picking up a tank is impressive, but 08 is not stronger than 03. He is purposely made this way for a reason. Look at his leg strength. He had to scale buildings...he couldn't just jump up there. The director might have chosen this, but hey this is what we got. AND he barely made it to Abom in the chopper scene.

 

[Midnight Black]

Ok...we didn't see the hulk grow stronger or get slightly bigger when he got madder, although the Novel depicts this happening, but....was it me or did his eyes start growing greener?

At first I thought they went from blue to green, but maybe not.

 

[November Rain]

If they don´t clearly state the "more anger, more strenght" aspect people won´t notice it

In Ang´s Hulk, even if it was clear that hulk keeps getting stronger everytime he gets madder, they make sure that betty mentioned also, so it was clear for everyone

And about hulk defeating abom, Non Hulk fans (regular moviegoers) would see this just as the Hulk getting a second wind, which is very comon in movies when the hero love interest is in peril

Its like making and ironman movie and omiting the hearth problem issue, just because we all (comicfans) know he has a hearth condition, and we expect that people will figure out because the ironman suit has that shinny thing in the chest

I think you understand from a neutral point of view what i'm trying to say

you and i both know he's getting stronger but that's only from having information on the genre before.

People are saying 'you can clearly see this or that', while in reality there's no evidence to clearly state it.

You might as well tell them to take out all the lines of 'madder hulk gets/stronger he becomes' from the comics and no one would have this idea either.

Now i'm not one for treating the audience like a baby but a growing hulk can treat you like an adult and also get this message across (and if not betty stating it damn near will).

It's a real grey area of how do you perceive this without any real verbal indication.

There was a thread around earlier in production about the muscle percentage of the hulk changing the angrier he got, so he'd become more bulky and veiny and his muscles would pump out more when he's angry or his eyes would grow more so you could see it physically (without changing his sides) but we didn't get any of that this time.

 

[November Rain]

Ok...we didn't see the hulk grow stronger or get slightly bigger when he got madder, although the Novel depicts this happening, but....was it me or did his eyes start growing greener?

At first I thought they went from blue to green, but maybe not.

there was a glitter in his eyes of somesort but i didn't quite catch it all.

 

[Midnight Black]

I thought I caught that. They need to express that more in films to come, glittering eyes...
..So which Hulk did you think is stronger?

And yes they should have verbalized or actually showed the Hulk get bigger and stronger. I think that would have been more impressive, then us (fans) knowing he is and average joes assuming he is.

Betty or Ross could have said something or the Major Chick.

 

[November Rain]

Nano-med hulk is smarter, has more durability, range and strength and a healing factor.

08 probably has a more violent temperament but ang's took on three times more animalistic gamma fiends than TIH and at the same time, he literally ripped them apart. You could also add in the strength thing but that's more of a troll-esque point

it's not really a debate in my eyes but as always the poll seems to be somewhat misguided.

It's largely based around the knowledge of people saying 'just because 08 didn't throw a tank doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to, they are just as strong as each other'. I could then say 'just because 03 wasn't as violent in his film doesn't mean he couldn't be as violent as 08'.

faux logic.

 

[rodhulk]

03 Hulk got hurt by a single tank blast and was knocked down and hurt a bit (and this was with at least one strength increase due to his rage back with the foam moments earlier).
08 Hulk took several similar blasts (especially on the campus) and at most flinched a little but didn't fall down. His 'strength' kept him up (yet this was his base strength as he hadn't had any 'madder means stronger' moments just yet whereas 03 Hulk from above did).

03 Hulk had trouble against the foam.
08 Hulk had trouble against the sonic canons.

03 Hulk had trouble destroying tanks (in fact, he never really destroyed any tank very badly except maybe, after a bit of struggling, tore off the top part of one).
08 Hulk was destroying vehicles and splitting them in half easily.

03 Hulk threw a tank after twirling it a bit (to get momentum for the throw).
08 Hulk threw a forklift like a 'golfball' (didn't need momentum).'



I believe 08 Hulk is stronger at base strength and his strength increases with his anger is as great or greater than 03's but since 08 has a stronger base strength, I believe this will keep him stronger than 03 Hulk.

While 03 Hulk could jump far, it's unclear if 08 Hulk can actually jump like 03 Hulk too. Plus, just because 03 Hulk could grow bigger, when we're talking about the 'Hulk,' size doesn't matter.

 

[Midnight Black]

eehhhh....It was a great movie either way. I think we should make a you tube video of the two different Hulk's...using some users on here and see who wins, once and for all. Haha...I'll let my decision lay on that. LOl.

 

[Comicfan]

There was a thread around earlier in production about the muscle percentage of the hulk changing the angrier he got, so he'd become more bulky and veiny and his muscles would pump out more when he's angry or his eyes would grow more so you could see it physically (without changing his sides) but we didn't get any of that this time.

they could have gonne that way with TIH... insted of showing him ripped and strained all the time

Ang Lee used several techniques/tips/hints to show the hulk getting stronger

Hulk getting bigger, his muscles where ripped, and my favorite is how when angry he expeled/released/emited gamma radiation

(one of my favorite scenes for the movie is when he is under water, releasing all his anger, you can trully see savage hulk in there)

 

[Lexar128]

08 Hulk had to strain a little bit picking up the tank Lexar. Rewatch that scene. 03 spun around 3 times and tossed the tank miles, not yards, miles. Yes, throwing an engine and picking up a tank is impressive, but 08 is not stronger than 03. He is purposely made this way for a reason. Look at his leg strength. He had to scale buildings...he couldn't just jump up there. The director might have chosen this, but hey this is what we got. AND he barely made it to Abom in the chopper scene.

Just watched it again......I can see where you would think he's struggling. I don't see it as struggling, he lifted the front of the vehicle, many powerlifters could pull that off. It's just a matter of opinion really.

 

[Midnight Black]

Yeah...I can agree with you....I never doubted he could pick it up....I can I was just looking for a effortless pull, but that's just minor details. I don't think he is struggling, but I do think he has to exert some force. I can pick up a couch, but It ain't no cake walk.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

Hulk's ground pound in this film was the ultimate! He hit the ground with so much force that it shattered and created a canyon. That has to be alot of force!!!!!

Also he said Hulk Smash!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ant3ros]

Hulk 03 was a clumsy fighter. His rage wasn't as directed as Hulk 08 when it comes to defeating something. However, Hulk 03 definitely show more feats but he was not an aggressive fighter. I don't think I can decide until I see an Incredible Hulk sequel.

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[DACMAN]

03 Hulk got hurt by a single tank blast and was knocked down and hurt a bit (and this was with at least one strength increase due to his rage back with the foam moments earlier).
08 Hulk took several similar blasts (especially on the campus) and at most flinched a little but didn't fall down. His 'strength' kept him up (yet this was his base strength as he hadn't had any 'madder means stronger' moments just yet whereas 03 Hulk from above did).

03 Hulk had trouble against the foam.
08 Hulk had trouble against the sonic canons.

03 Hulk had trouble destroying tanks (in fact, he never really destroyed any tank very badly except maybe, after a bit of struggling, tore off the top part of one).
08 Hulk was destroying vehicles and splitting them in half easily.

03 Hulk threw a tank after twirling it a bit (to get momentum for the throw).
08 Hulk threw a forklift like a 'golfball' (didn't need momentum).'



I believe 08 Hulk is stronger at base strength and his strength increases with his anger is as great or greater than 03's but since 08 has a stronger base strength, I believe this will keep him stronger than 03 Hulk.

While 03 Hulk could jump far, it's unclear if 08 Hulk can actually jump like 03 Hulk too. Plus, just because 03 Hulk could grow bigger, when we're talking about the 'Hulk,' size doesn't matter.

"Softball"

 

[DACMAN]

Hulk 03 was a clumsy fighter. His rage wasn't as directed as Hulk 08 when it comes to defeating something. However, Hulk 03 definitely show more feats but he was not an aggressive fighter. I don't think I can decide until I see an Incredible Hulk sequel.

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He punched a dog in the balls...

He also bit a dog, punched one in the mouth and tore one apart.

 

[ant3ros]

He punched a dog in the balls...

He also bit a dog, punched one in the mouth and tore one apart.

Exactly, he didn't try to over power the dogs with strength. Just just needed to stop them, which I don't think is aggressive. Hulk '08 is proud of his power and likes to overcome enemies.

 

[ArtTeacher]

I didn't lift 50 pounds today.
No one saw me lift 50 pounds today.
Conclusion: I can't lift 50 pounds.

Just because we didn't see the Hulk jump as far as the 2003 Hulk doesn't mean he can't.
And just because we didn't see the Hulk throw a tank doesn't mean he can't.

But, please, by all means...please...continue arguing.