Which Hulk LOOKED better to you?

[dcHulk]

IMHO, the animation in TiH was better than in Hulk. And he looked more real. Yes, the desert fight in Hulk was awesome. But I think the fight scenes in TiH was on par with it. Both movies had scenes of inconsistency though (campus scene in TiH, desert base in Hulk). All in all, I'm impressed with ILM and with R&H. As for the DVD, I think the effects will be "better" than seen in a theater. I saw TiH on both a traditional theater screen and a DLP digital screen. I was amazed at the quality and detail on the digital screen relative to the traditional screen.

 

[Hmarrs]

It's quite clear the new hulk didn't look nearly as impressive doing his feats on teh screen.

>True

ang's flowed better, reacted better to his environment, was more flexible, showed more muscle strain and variation, and had more human traits. his weight shift during running and dodging and throwing large objects were very convincing. His hand movement while jumping and the way he absorbed energy with his legs on impact were better modelled.

>True

however in a still picture, the new hulk does have the tendency to look more hulk like which is fine, I can accept that but we arent talking about a bunch of stills, we are talking about fluid animation and what fools the eye better. Ang's accomplishes this much much better. It looks better in motion.
I disagree to some degree;
Here Why:

His face looks like a manikin a cartoon,or even better a cartoon manikin.

This to me holds up better.He looks like a person.Alive if you will.

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Well the truth will be to see what improvements they have in the dvd with the ability to jazz it up.

personally, I just don't think they were up to the job.
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Exactly and I think they knew it and I think that's why they did not put money into advertising the movie.
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Again, they probably fooled the board with their stills, but their animation techniques were nothing groundbreaking. ang's hulk cgi holds up to this day with its Fluidity of motion. It's five years old, no five year old film should be able to do this which show the workmanship they put in.
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Yes the movie felt unfinished.
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as bad as anyone would like to say, you ask fans on this site for their top 10 movie scenes and I bet more people will include the desert fight from the first one rather than the abomination fight at the end of this one.

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Again true I felt he looked the worst in that last scene.I also think he looked the best in the first scene and then became progressivly worse.
I think there were things that went on with the production of the movie we will never know.I think there were alot of artistic differences and someone made the call to put it out as is.
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Hulk 03 was better for me maybe not too crazy about the story but in overall effects there is no compitition for me.Alot of what you guys have been saying I have said and I have gotten attacked but I think time will tell.

 

[Hmarrs]

I thought someone might find this funny:

 

[November Rain]

i understand this but the best of the tih stills look better than the best of the ang's stills. THe first cgi pic of the hulk with his cut lip looks awesome, if only the film lived up to that

I will say though that i prefer the body proportions of ang's, that kinda normal looking STRONG guy rather than a ripped smaller figure, you could feel how strong he was merely from his walking, he was a hulk of a figure. Broad and all, like a scaled up human.


but face design goes to top even though i like the realism of angs, the mostrous design is a truer depiction (and cooler), if only it was kept this consistent.

 

[dark_b]

i would take the body fro m03 hulk and the head from TIH. the color would be between TIH and 03 hulk.

 

[Sarg92]

i understand this but the best of the tih stills look better than the best of the ang's stills. THe first cgi pic of the hulk with his cut lip looks awesome, if only the film lived up to that

I will say though that i prefer the body proportions of ang's, that kinda normal looking STRONG guy rather than a ripped smaller figure, you could feel how strong he was merely from his walking, he was a hulk of a figure. Broad and all, like a scaled up human.


but face design goes to top even though i like the realism of angs, the mostrous design is a truer depiction (and cooler), if only it was kept this consistent.

It is a shame they didn't go with that concept, of a much older looking Hulk.

One thing I really didn't like about Hulk from TIH was that his eyes were too bright, it made him not look believeable. But one thing about R&H is that they can put so much detail into a render, even little details that don't matter but they are good at this however despite all the detail they cannot make their renders look very believeable.

 

[Hmarrs]

i understand this but the best of the tih stills look better than the best of the ang's stills. THe first cgi pic of the hulk with his cut lip looks awesome, if only the film lived up to that

I will say though that i prefer the body proportions of ang's, that kinda normal looking STRONG guy rather than a ripped smaller figure, you could feel how strong he was merely from his walking, he was a hulk of a figure. Broad and all, like a scaled up human.
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I can definatley agree with you on the above statements.
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but face design goes to top even though i like the realism of angs, the mostrous design is a truer depiction (and cooler), if only it was kept this consistent.

Can't agree on the last one especially since there are hundreds of anotomical mistakes in the 08 body.Especially this one:

This being the Icon picture his hands are anotomically incorrect there are almost twisted backwards I have tried to do that pose and I can't it hurts my wrist his arms are twisted wrong also his hands look like rubber.
You know I see it this way.I have been a comic book reader for years.Although I like to look at alot of stylized artist of today although very detailed most draw their characters anotomicaly incorrect.Their is a sense of realism that is lost that was captured by artist like Jack Kirby,to Neal Adams to John Bucema and that's what the 08 Hulk looked to me very detailed but very cartoony but oh well.
I still respect everyones opinion.

 

[ElToro]

The 2008 hulk
hands down

 

[DACMAN]

Anyone who doesn't say the 08 HULK is dulisional.

 

[The Chris]

Norton Hulk looks more bad ass in almost every way so him.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's quite clear the new hulk didn't look nearly as impressive doing his feats on teh screen.

ang's flowed better, reacted better to his environment, was more flexible, showed more muscle strain and variation, and had more human traits. his weight shift during running and dodging and throwing large objects were very convincing. His hand movement while jumping and the way he absorbed energy with his legs on impact were better modelled.

however in a still picture, the new hulk does have the tendency to look more hulk like which is fine, I can accept that but we arent talking about a bunch of stills, we are talking about fluid animation and what fools the eye better. Ang's accomplishes this much much better. It looks better in motion.

Well the truth will be to see what improvements they have in the dvd with the ability to jazz it up.

personally, I just don't think they were up to the job. Again, they probably fooled the board with their stills, but their animation techniques were nothing groundbreaking. ang's hulk cgi holds up to this day with its Fluidity of motion. It's five years old, no five year old film should be able to do this which show the workmanship they put in.

as bad as anyone would like to say, you ask fans on this site for their top 10 movie scenes and I bet more people will include the desert fight from the first one rather than the abomination fight at the end of this one.

I see the validity of your points, but I still maintain that in addition to reacting better to his environment, Bana's Hulk blended better with his environment.

 

[November Rain]

hmarrs, my last comment was a comparison of their faces not their bodies.

 

[dark_b]

Can't agree on the last one especially since there are hundreds of anotomical mistakes in the 08 body.Especially this one:





This being the Icon picture his hands are anotomically incorrect there are almost twisted backwards I have tried to do that pose and I can't it hurts my wrist his arms are twisted wrong also his hands look like rubber.
You know I see it this way.I have been a comic book reader for years.Although I like to look at alot of stylized artist of today although very detailed most draw their characters anotomicaly incorrect.Their is a sense of realism that is lost that was captured by artist like Jack Kirby,to Neal Adams to John Bucema and that's what the 08 Hulk looked to me very detailed but very cartoony but oh well.
I still respect everyones opinion.

i dotn have a problem. or am i not understanding you?

 

[dcHulk]

Can't agree on the last one especially since there are hundreds of anotomical mistakes in the 08 body.Especially this one:

This being the Icon picture his hands are anotomically incorrect there are almost twisted backwards I have tried to do that pose and I can't it hurts my wrist his arms are twisted wrong also his hands look like rubber.
You know I see it this way.I have been a comic book reader for years.Although I like to look at alot of stylized artist of today although very detailed most draw their characters anotomicaly incorrect.Their is a sense of realism that is lost that was captured by artist like Jack Kirby,to Neal Adams to John Bucema and that's what the 08 Hulk looked to me very detailed but very cartoony but oh well.
I still respect everyones opinion.

I fail to see any issues with basic anatomy of the Hulk in this pic. The only thing I can muster from your statement is that the Hulk looks "exaggerated". But, guess what? The Hulk is suppose to be exaggerated!

 

[November Rain]

I see the validity of your points, but I still maintain that in addition to reacting better to his environment, Bana's Hulk blended better with his environment.

I feel the same way but this is really a matter of taste so it's hard to debate over opinion.

 

[Hmarrs]

I fail to see any issues with basic anatomy of the Hulk in this pic. The only thing I can muster from your statement is that the Hulk looks "exaggerated". But, guess what? The Hulk is suppose to be exaggerated!

His arms and hands are anotomically incorrect.
It has nothing to do with exaggeration.
His arms are twisted one way and his hands are twisted a different way.
This is according to the muscle placement on his forearms.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I feel the same way but this is really a matter of taste so it's hard to debate over opinion.

Quite true.

 

[dcHulk]

His arms and hands are anotomically incorrect.
It has nothing to do with exaggeration.
His arms are twisted one way and his hands are twisted a different way.
This is according to the muscle placement on his forearms.

I'll respectfully disagree with everything you said here. I just don't see it. I have no problems with positioning my hands and arms this way. Once again, I think you are seeing an illusion (in the muscle placement on his forearms) due to muscle exaggeration. This type of thing is very basic stuff in cg creation. I'm sure the animators are no amateurs.

 

[Hmarrs]

I'll respectfully disagree with everything you said here. I just don't see it. I have no problems with positioning my hands and arms this way. Once again, I think you are seeing an illusion (in the muscle placement on his forearms) due to muscle exaggeration. This type of thing is very basic stuff in cg creation. I'm sure the animators are no amateurs.

Nope their anotomicaly wrong.The muscles that you see on his forearms should be on the other side.

 

[Judson Caspian]

This is supposed to be the concept art for The Incredible Hulk. Yet he never really resembles it during the whole movie. This is superior to any shot of the hulk in his respective scenes.

 

[dcHulk]

Nope their anotomicaly wrong.The muscles that you see on his forearms should be on the other side.

Okay, whatever.... I guess I'll have to assume you have some sort of medical degree. Funny how nobody else picked up on this obvious mistake.

 

[dcHulk]

This is supposed to be the concept art for The Incredible Hulk. Yet he never really resembles it during the whole movie. This is superior to any shot of the hulk in his respective scenes.

Yes they deviated from this pic. I would've loved to have seen this concept in action. Very nice.

 

[Sarg92]

That was the concept art that they were aiming for at the time of Comic-Con. And this is the final concept art they went for. I still prefer the old Comic-Con concept art though.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's clear to me that the deviations are most likely the result of their wanting to incorporate Norton's facial features into the design.

 

[Chris Wallace]

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