Which is the worst? X-Men 3, Fantastic Four, or Daredevil?

[Ronny Shade]

There's more than a tiny bit wrong with FF.

 

[The Question]

So.... using his optic blast one time to knock a guard then another time to hit Jean was fine? People act as if Singer was a freaking godsend to the X-men franchise. Ratner didnt do a thing to them that Singer didnt already do.

I think Singer and Ratner were both good. And Cyclops seemed fine in X2. Really, with a cast that big, not everyone can have alot of screen time. It worked pretty well story wise.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Don't fault Ratner for not using Cyclops. It was built into the whole trilogy.

Fault Zak Penn.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Daredevil was just garbage. I don't know why you have X-men 3 there. It was decent.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Daredevil was still way better than FF

 

[e-three]

Wow, I'm surprised at all the FF hate. I thought it was a good movie...definitely not of the same caliber as the Spider-Man movies and the first two X-flicks, but comfortably resides in the "second tier" with Daredevil and Hulk.

I dunno, to me it felt like it had that early Lee/Kirby flavor...y'know, like when the all powerful Dr. Doom first menaces the Four in FF#5...by making them go back in time and dress like pirates to steal Blackbeard's treasure. Yeah, there was some cheesy dialogue, but again, go re-read the Lee/Kirby FF run and tell me there's no cheesy dialogue in it. It was a fun, entertaining movie. And enough with the brow-whining...I know those hardcore Thing fans like their eyebrows, but saying that the movie sucks because Thing didn't have his big brow is like Alex Ross saying the Spidey costume sucks because it doesn't have the "Romita eyes". Oh no, Human Torch sucked because in the movie he wasn't covered in vertical lines like the comics! And I find it hypocritical that people bash FF for not being true to the comics while praising X3, which is far from true to the comics.

Daredevil (Director's Cut) is also a pretty good movie, the best of the 3 in this poll. As far as X-Men: The Last Stand (aka "Batman Forever: X-Men Edition") goes...ugh. Easily the worst. Most of the characters we've come to know in the first two movies get maybe one or two brief scenes, which usually either end in death or the loss of their powers. Wolverine is just as dominant in this movie as he was in the first two (maybe even more so), but it comes off much worse here because he has no real storyline...just fight and boo-hoo over Jean (and couldn't they just keep Cyclops alive to do that?). Characters die only for shock value, every storyline in the movie is poorly developed because they exist only to give the mutants an excuse to fight. If I want nothing but fighting with the occasional sprinking of weak story, I'll play the Capcom X-Men fighting game...and I'd have more fun than watching this mess. I'll watch Elektra and The Punisher back-to-back before I'd even think about seeing X-Crement 3 again.

 

[Tony Stark]

Don't fault Ratner for not using Cyclops. It was built into the whole trilogy.

Fault Zak Penn.

Not true. Cyke had a pretty big part in the first movie. He had a larger part than shown in X2, however unfortunately 1/3 of his scenes ended up on the cutting room floor, which can be seen on the deleted scenes on the DVD.

Now I don't fault Rater for Cyke's abscence in X-men 3, I fault Lauren Schuler-Donner, Avi Arad, and the script writers.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Daredevil and FF comes in second.And X-3 shouldn't be on the list,because it is a cool movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Wow, I'm surprised at all the FF hate. I thought it was a good movie...definitely not of the same caliber as the Spider-Man movies and the first two X-flicks, but comfortably resides in the "second tier" with Daredevil and Hulk.

I dunno, to me it felt like it had that early Lee/Kirby flavor...y'know, like when the all powerful Dr. Doom first menaces the Four in FF#5...by making them go back in time and dress like pirates to steal Blackbeard's treasure. Yeah, there was some cheesy dialogue, but again, go re-read the Lee/Kirby FF run and tell me there's no cheesy dialogue in it. It was a fun, entertaining movie. And enough with the brow-whining...I know those hardcore Thing fans like their eyebrows, but saying that the movie sucks because Thing didn't have his big brow is like Alex Ross saying the Spidey costume sucks because it doesn't have the "Romita eyes". Oh no, Human Torch sucked because in the movie he wasn't covered in vertical lines like the comics! And I find it hypocritical that people bash FF for not being true to the comics while praising X3, which is far from true to the comics.

Daredevil (Director's Cut) is also a pretty good movie, the best of the 3 in this poll. As far as X-Men: The Last Stand (aka "Batman Forever: X-Men Edition") goes...ugh. Easily the worst. Most of the characters we've come to know in the first two movies get maybe one or two brief scenes, which usually either end in death or the loss of their powers. Wolverine is just as dominant in this movie as he was in the first two (maybe even more so), but it comes off much worse here because he has no real storyline...just fight and boo-hoo over Jean (and couldn't they just keep Cyclops alive to do that?). Characters die only for shock value, every storyline in the movie is poorly developed because they exist only to give the mutants an excuse to fight. If I want nothing but fighting with the occasional sprinking of weak story, I'll play the Capcom X-Men fighting game...and I'd have more fun than watching this mess. I'll watch Elektra and The Punisher back-to-back before I'd even think about seeing X-Crement 3 again.

I enjoyed FF, very much. I thought it was bashed way too much, especially by the critics. FF suffered from having been released after Batman Begins. People loved the dark edgy story of Batman Begins, and people wanted FF to be that. Well FF has never been like Batman.

Tim Story did a good job. Not a great job, but a good job. I thought he made a very entertaining story, something Ang Lee failed to do. And he stayed true to the essence of the comics, something Ratner failed to do.

 

[The Question]

I dunno, to me it felt like it had that early Lee/Kirby flavor...y'know, like when the all powerful Dr. Doom first menaces the Four in FF#5...by making them go back in time and dress like pirates to steal Blackbeard's treasure. Yeah, there was some cheesy dialogue, but again, go re-read the Lee/Kirby FF run and tell me there's no cheesy dialogue in it. It was a fun, entertaining movie. And enough with the brow-whining...I know those hardcore Thing fans like their eyebrows, but saying that the movie sucks because Thing didn't have his big brow is like Alex Ross saying the Spidey costume sucks because it doesn't have the "Romita eyes". Oh no, Human Torch sucked because in the movie he wasn't covered in vertical lines like the comics! And I find it hypocritical that people bash FF for not being true to the comics while praising X3, which is far from true to the comics.

FF had none of the Lee/Lirbey "flavor." The early Fantastic Four was basicllay an old Doc Savage pulp fiction book with pictures. A little out there and quite weird, but still very well written. The movie was a stupid action film. And Doom was completely butchered. And it's not like Doom's changed can be excused to fit with the film. Most of his changes were completely unnecessairy.

(and couldn't they just keep Cyclops alive to do that?)

The actor wasn't available. That's why they killed him off.

 

[kirbyfan]

Fantastic Four was absolutely nothing like the Kirby version, and it's the worste of the movies listed.

I don't share in the bashing of Daredevil because I think the Directors cut is one of the best superhero movies ever made.

 

[Gazgiz]

After watching Blecchhs Men 3 - Thank God It's The Last Stand, I realised that these movies are getting worse and worse. The producers are salivating over these charcters like junkies for crack. They just rush into production and have no care for quality. I'm afraid movies like Dumbdevil and The Fantastic Bore will become more and more commen place. It's quite sad really. I am a huge comic book fan but when money talks, quality always takes a back seat. Just a fact of life.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Not true. Cyke had a pretty big part in the first movie. He had a larger part than shown in X2, however unfortunately 1/3 of his scenes ended up on the cutting room floor, which can be seen on the deleted scenes on the DVD.

Now I don't fault Rater for Cyke's abscence in X-men 3, I fault Lauren Schuler-Donner, Avi Arad, and the script writers.

Zak Penn didnt write 3? I thought he did.

 

[GNR]

Don't care what anyone says,F4 rocked.From an average movie-goer's point on view,my friends loved the hell out of it.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

ya, you're right lots liked that movie. Same as a lot of Pop we might all shake our heads at-but someone is buying it. Who are we at the end of the day except people with opinions...
didn't like F4, Daredevil DC is ok'ish, thought X3 was mighty and Elektra is drek. Not much stinks like The Punisher.

 

[micky-fox]

Another thing about X-Men 3.

BIG SPOILERS!!!

Rogue. She decided to take the cure?? That's a great message to send to kids, isn't it?? The X-Men is supposed to teach understanding and tolerance. It isn't about saying "yeah, it's fine to be a mutant, but like, maybe ya should become normal!". It's sending out the wrong message. The cure is sort of a metaphor for "if you were black, and you could become white, would you do it?". The answer should be... "yeah, sometimes it's hard being black, but I shouldn't have to become white. I'm proud of who I am."

Yeah, kinda a lot easier to say when you actually can touch the ones you love without killing them.

X3 was awesome, end of story.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well after finally seeing X3 this weekend. I have to say that DareDevil is by far the worst, of course I have yet to see the Director's cut, but based on the theatrical release it is the worst.

X3 wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. If you don't compare it to the comics it's not that bad at all, but the more you think about what took place in the comic books and compare it to the movie the more it sucks.

But the best thing hands down

Spoiler

Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut BIATCH!

 

[The Apatow Crew]

I like Fantastic Four And I'm No Affaid to say it. YOU HEAR ME EVERYONE!

 

[LordSimen]

Daredevil: Director's Cut was great, X-men 3 was good (the most comic book out of the three movies, interestingly enough), and Fantastic Four was simply decent. So Four wins this round.

 

[JTStarkiller]

Daredevil: Director's Cut (9/10)
X-Men: The Last Stand (6/10)
Fantastic Four (3/10)

That's my two cents.

 

[Tony Stark]

Don't care what anyone says,F4 rocked.From an average movie-goer's point on view,my friends loved the hell out of it.

I agree, I really loved that movie. The fact that they had 5 characters and focused on all of them equally. No one's part was bigger or more important than the others.

This is how X-men should have been done from the start and wasn't.

Plus you actually see these guys use their powers in immaginitive ways. The fact they had ILM working on the FF, really made the difference. The Human Torch was excellent. Reed's stretching power was awesome, especially in the scenes where he wraps up Ben, and the scene where he stretches out like a big parachute to engulf Doom. Sue's powers were very well conceived. They could have just mimiced Violet from the Incredibles, but thank goodness the creative team decided to come up with something unique to this film, although Violet is obviously an exact duplicate of Sue, power wise.

Personally I thought the Thing looked great. Granted there's room for improvement in the next film, as the suit at times looked more rubberish than rock. However, they got the team who did the makeup for Hellboy, which was a great choice. The biggest thing it did, was Michael Chiklis was able to emote the character better in the suit.

Dispite the changes to Doom, and I too wish he was in the movie more, you can't deny that Julian McMahon is a bad ass. The dude just embodies evil. He is a great bad guy. He is so charismatic that he makes you love the character. And he played the character correctly. Doom is not an idealog like Magneto, he just wants power, and is insanely jealous of Reed Richards. Right from the beginning, he sees the whole deal as a chance to rub Reed's face in the dirt. That is exactly who Doom is.

Dispite the contraversy over the origin change, I agree with it. Why? This movie had it's hands tied from being an origin film in the first place. Better to have everyone get their powers from the same place. Essentially, this was a melding of Ultimate Dr. Doom and regular Dr. Doom, so there was defference to the comics.

The only problem, I see with Doom in the movie, is by the time he's in the mask, 5 minutes later he's a statue, heading back to Latveria.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Daredevil I actually enjoyed and had it been worked on with a better cast and tweaked it minorly could have been a great movie.

X3 had action, no developed story or characters -- however the action and special effects redeem it slightly and it did not piss on the comics as much as...

Fantastic Four which took Kirby's dream and made yet another made for TV suck fest out of it.

 

[Tony Stark]

How did FF piss on the comics more than X3?

 

[Darthphere]

How did FF piss on the comics more than X3?

Marco...Polo.

 

[Tony Stark]

And that's so much worse than killing off 2 major characters? At least he didn't say, "I'm Dr. Doom b**ch!"