Which of these villains dosent belong in Batman?

[BatmanForNever]

Umm...where's the NONE option?

 

[Darkseid1]

let me guess, you were one of the idiots who also signed that petitiion to "retire" the Joker too.

 

[BatmanForNever]

Because of these villains continued existance I believe gives people like Joel Schumacher justification for includeing their imature amounts of surreality in their interpratations.

As much as I find some of these charecters fascinateing I do think that if they were erased from the Batman canon and all respective forms of media it would make the danger of anotherSchumacher coming along far slimmer.

Any thoughts?

I think you need to stop worrying about villains that are as much apart of the storyline and essential to Batman himself than thinking that Joel or another smuck will come along and ruin them again. It's not Bane's fault or Mr. Freezes fault that were turned into campy idiots. The animated series did it right and if the material stays true to source each character can be done and done well.

As Freeze put it best..

"Chill out."

 

[Rolf]

Umm...where's the NONE option?

I believe these should please you:

Just because Nolan wont use them doesn’t mean they should be erased from all other media.

We need SOMETHING to keep the kids interested.

 

[MysterioMenace]

"Something to keep the kids interested" is completely rude and ignorant.

 

[Darkseid1]

sometimes I think people forget that Batman is a comic book character, a fictional character, a cartoon character. Batman, along with 90% of superheroes were created for kids. If kids did not find interest in these characters there would be no future for them. I also hate to say it, but most kids do outgrow comics and the superheroes. Fans like us are actually a small group. We just seem big because we all conjugate at the same spots. This whole movement of destroying all the fantasy out of Batman needs to stop immediately, or it will destroy the character.

 

[SuperFerret]

"Something to keep the kids interested" is completely rude and ignorant.

sometimes I think people forget that Batman is a comic book character, a fictional character, a cartoon character. Batman, along with 90% of superheroes were created for kids. If kids did not find interest in these characters there would be no future for them. I also hate to say it, but most kids do outgrow comics and the superheroes. Fans like us are actually a small group. We just seem big because we all conjugate at the same spots. This whole movement of destroying all the fantasy out of Batman needs to stop immediately, or it will destroy the character.

You guys just don't get it. Batman isn't a comic book character anymore, he's Nolan's now. He's not a superhero, but a crime drama character. His parents are DEAD!!! He's dark and brooding and realistic, so his villains can't be unrealistic and silly. That stuff's for children, idiots and Marvel.

 

[Darthkush]

hmmmm...I looked at that list for several minutes and found not one option to my liking. Honestly, i'm not an big fan of Killer Croc but he and every villain on that list has proven their longevity. I just made an thread about how irrelevant Bane has become but that's another matter entirely as none can deny that he has had great moments and has the potential for more if some of the Batman writers would get their head out of their a$$ and fix him.

Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Mad Hatter, Clayface, Man-bat, they're all good to great villains depending on the story. Hell, all the Batman foes are! Have any of you ever noticed how Batman's bad guys rarely ever die(as opposed to folks like Green Goblin, Magneto etc. who treat death as a revolving door)? It's because(whether they admit it or not) Batman has the best rogue's gallery of all time. Most superheroes have about 2-4 major foes before you hit their bottomfeeder list but Batman has closer to 10 or 12 and even his lesser villains(like, I don't know Scarface or Maxie Zeus) are at least conceptually interesting.

I too am sick of this small(but vocal) movement that some fans have started to have Batman only operate alone in the shadows and never have an Robin or an Justice League or blah blah blah, etc. Batman is an comic book character! Batman is just as great beating up an mugger as he is matching fists with Gorilla Grodd.

 

[Grommers]

How can freeze be on the list..he's my favorite weather man!

" Tonight's forecast... a freeze is coming! "

 

[Cain]

I just made an thread about how irrelevant Bane has become but that's another matter entirely as none can deny that he has had great moments and has the potential for more if some of the Batman writers would get their head out of their a$$ and fix him.

Actually Gail Simone has put him to great use in Secret Six where he's on a team with 2 other bat rogues (Catman & Deadshot) it's one of the best written books DC has right now. Last issue he broke The Cavalier's back and it was hilarious.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Actually Gail Simone has put him to great use in Secret Six where he's on a team with 2 other bat rogues (Catman & Deadshot) it's one of the best written books DC has right now. Last issue he broke The Cavalier's back and it was hilarious.

2009 hasn't been a good year for The Cavalier. First, he gets beaten up and insulted by Batman in Brave and the Bold. Now, Bane broke his back.

Anyways, I also voted that none should get rid off. There's a reason they have been around for a while.

 

[Mutagen]

These characters are great, and to take then away would be foolish.

 

[K.B.]

All of them belong in the Batman mythos.

 

[Rolf]

You guys just don't get it. Batman isn't a comic book character anymore, he's Nolan's now. He's not a superhero, but a crime drama character. His parents are DEAD!!! He's dark and brooding and realistic, so his villains can't be unrealistic and silly. That stuff's for children, idiots and Marvel.

I can see that you are being sarcastic, but I think you have made my argument for me.

Despite my opposition to difinitism (The belief that certain interpretations of a continuity are definitive.) I do believe that BB and TDK have done so well at redefining the character that I think we should all consider treating them as cannon.

I just don't understand, part of me really feels that the Nolanverse is THE Batman universe and another part of me is jotting down ideas for a reboot where the Riddler is a leprechaun.

I hope that doesn’t make me a hypocrite.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Mad Hatter: Despite the fact that he does'nt violate the laws of physyques the idea behind him is more like something out of a kids cartoon show. The permise of a man who thinks he is a fictional charecter is just not very mature.

So...why isn't Maxie Zeus on your list? It's a slippery slope isn't it?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It all depends on what you want Batman to be, if you want Batman to be a gritty realistic legend like the Nolan-verse, then everyone I have listed has to go.

If you want Batman to be more like something MARVEL would come up with then everyone NOT on that list has to go.

Look: Heres the point I'm trying to make, right now Batman comics are in a bit of a mess, right now the "Definative" origin story for allmost every comic adaptation of Batman is Year One, yet the tone and, well almost everything about Year One is very incompatible with the later stories of Batman's career, I think that, If Frank Miller wrote the entire Batman cannon, none of the charecters I listed would appear without signifigant reinterpratation.

At the moment the exact nature of the Batman comics universe is not clearly defined, too many conflicting elemants.

WOW! This is literally THE dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I can see that you are being sarcastic, but I think you have made my argument for me.

Despite my opposition to difinitism (The belief that certain interpretations of a continuity are definitive.) I do believe that BB and TDK have done so well at redefining the character that I think we should all consider treating them as cannon.

I just don't understand, part of me really feels that the Nolanverse is THE Batman universe and another part of me is jotting down ideas for a reboot where the Riddler is a leprechaun.

I hope that doesn’t make me a hypocrite.

Oh no, sorry this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums.

You want to sacrifice 70 years of history because you liked two films?

No, that is simply idiotic I'm afraid.

Batman and his entire mythos can be portrayed in a variety of different ways.

Just because you have the gritty and grimey movies and comics doesn't mean you can't have more children friendly cartoons and comics.

You have taken Nolan fanboyism to a whole new level and to be frank, I find it quite unsettling.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Oh no, sorry this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums.

You want to sacrifice 70 years of history because you liked two films?

No, that is simply idiotic I'm afraid.

Batman and his entire mythos can be portrayed in a variety of different ways.

Just because you have the gritty and grimey movies and comics doesn't mean you can't have more children friendly cartoons and comics.

You have taken Nolan fanboyism to a whole new level and to be frank, I find it quite unsettling.

True to point, without the exspansive 70 year old mythology, we wouldn't have these different interpretations of Batman on celluloid. Batman & Robin, though panned by critics and fanboys, was a film I'm sure some people really enjoyed. Sure alot of the blame for B&R can be put on the 60's series, but even that show was begat from the campy Batman comics at the time. All in all it's linked, and I'm sure Nolan's trilogy will beget a different trilogy in the future well after he is done telling HIS stories.

 

[hwldknights]

Man-Bat

 

[JackIvyGB]

Anyone who thinks before they speak would realize that ALL those villains, with the exception of probably man bat, would most definitely work in a Nolan style movie in one way or another.

 

[mothy]

all of the villains listed have a place in batman lore. none should be erased. they're not going to be anyway.

 

[TyrantII]

Can I point out how absurd it would have been to use the an acid bleached, wide smiled, intellectual killer in DK immediately after Nolans BB?

I was pretty surprised at the route Nolan took, and the way he was able to deconstruct batman characters, and reform them into his more gritty, real take on them. He took a cartoon charicters, that Nicholson used as his inspiration (which works in a Burton flick), and made the Joker into a real person.

I don't doubt he'd be able to do the same with anyone from the universe since all of them are uniquely human at their core; save man-bat and clayface.

For example, where does it ever say Poison Ivy needs to have vines on her and actively control plants by magic or science? Give her a better back story, and make her a sultry Eco terrorist with connections and a flair for the dramatic and a mask.

Croc can easily lose the lizard look and become a sort of mercenary, and wear reptilian leather. His name is his calling sign and his appearance, not his being.

And, all these characters don't have to be the main villains. They can be supporting freaks used as a means to the end for the main villains, just as Two face was (ever realize he couldn't have lived in Nolans universe based on his severe injuries?), or as the scarecrow was to Ra al Ghul.In other words the problem isn't the characters; but that you're biased in what and how you view them currently. A fresh take and they can easily be used.

 

[The Batman]

I....I can't recall a time where Rolf didnt post something that was completely stupid.....in fact, his batting average is bad, that I just assume that he's an old poster who's made a joke account