Which Trilogy is better: Captain America(TFA,TWS,CW)or The Dark Knight (BB,TDK,TDKR)

[Frankeh]

Also saying taking away this or taking away that from a movie makes it less is so silly and redundant. If we take Hannibal Lecter out of The Silence of the Lambs the movie isn't half of what it is. If we take Darth Vader out of The Empire Strikes Back it's a shadow of itself etc.

It's a pointless hypothetical.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I think TFA is better than BB. TDK is better than TWS. I'm not sure how much better CW would have to be over TDKR for me to choose the Cap Trilogy.

I think if civil war is better than TDK, I'd choose Cap.. so I'll let you guys know my final verdict tonight.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

As amazing as Ledger was, Nolan wrote the part and conceived of it in his film. It may not have been nominated for Best Picture, but its omission is why today we have up to 10 nominees instead of 5.

And I don't think it is in the same ballpark as The Godfather or Goodfellas.

But Hollywood producers, studio executives, and industry insiders do: http://www.listchallenges.com/hollywoods-100-favorite-films-hollywood-reporter

As do an international group of professional film critics: http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150720-the-100-greatest-american-films

I would also add on a personal note that I think Batman Begins is vastly superior to The Winter Soldier and I know that is not a rarity. I also think The Dark Knight Rises is a much smarter and better made film, but that I will concede is an unpopular opinion around these parts. But I suspect history will show one lasting far longer in popular culture, if only by association to The Dark Knight, it still will.

Personally, I could rewatch Winter Soldier endlessly.

It has way more heart, more relevance, better action and a more rewarding final act than Begins.

 

[Erzengel]

I wish I could find the original Batman Begins poll on here. I'd love to see what the reactions were pre TDK.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also saying taking away this or taking away that from a movie makes it less is so silly and redundant. If we take Hannibal Lecter out of The Silence of the Lambs the movie isn't half of what it is. If we take Darth Vader out of The Empire Strikes Back it's a shadow of itself etc.

It's a fair criticism when assessing why TDK is considered a classic.

Ledger aaaaaaand that's about it.

It's another Dark Knight Rises without him.

You can't say the same about ESB, even without Frank OZ and James Earl Jones it had the makings of a classic.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

13 people voted.

Can we close the poll until late April?

This is ridiculous.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

As amazing as Ledger was, Nolan wrote the part and conceived of it in his film. It may not have been nominated for Best Picture, but its omission is why today we have up to 10 nominees instead of 5.

The Joker's quality was all Ledger as the writing of the character isn't particularly good. It constantly goes into plot conveniences to have the character succeed, instead of actually making the character smart. First example in the movie is how he only gets away with the bank robbery because the police are complete and utter morons, and that's with zero hyperbole.

 

[Filmfreak]

At this poiont I somehow doubt that Civil War is going to be better than the worst Batman movie in the Nolan trilogy but even if it is, even if for some reason it's better than the best, the previous two Cap movies are so far off for my taste that it's not even a contest for me. Therefore I already voted without seeing it. Don't know about the others but I wouldn't want to do it if it didn't basically feel like a no-brainer. I agree though, these polls are obviously better when all movies in question are out, and even more so when a certain amount of time has passed and everyone is more settled.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

First Avenger - 9
Winter Soldier - 8
Civil War - ?

Batman Begins - 8
The Dark Knight - 10
The Dark Knight Rises - 7

First Class - 9
Days of Future Past - 10
Apocalypse - ?

So far X-Men leads with Batman next and Cap a very close 3rd, though probably 2nd if Civil War isn't a mess

 

[The Joker]

It's a pointless hypothetical.

Most definitely.

It's a fair criticism when assessing why TDK is considered a classic.

Ledger aaaaaaand that's about it.

It's another Dark Knight Rises without him.

You can't say the same about ESB, even without Frank OZ and James Earl Jones it had the makings of a classic.

No it's not a fair criticism. TDK is highly praised for a lot more than just Ledger. He just happens to be the most praised thing about it, not the only praised thing about it. A movie doesn't elevate to these ranks in the eyes of the movie industry and the public based on a single supporting actor performance. That just does not happen;

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150720-the-100-greatest-american-films

http://www.listchallenges.com/hollywoods-100-favorite-films-hollywood-reporter


These two were voted by thousands from the public, 150 of Hollywood's finest and 50 key film critics. Both done several years apart, the first one in 2008 where TDK ranked #15, and then again in 2014 where it actually shot up to #3 rather than dropped in rank as what usually happens to movies that don't stand the test of time after their initial hype;

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/500-greatest-movies/

http://www.listchallenges.com/empire-magazines-301-greatest-movies-of-all-time

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

For me it's

1. BB
2. TDK
3. WS
4. TDKR
5. TFA

CW would have to be clearly #1 for me of the 6 movies for Captain America to even have a shot. I'll vote after I see it tonight.

 

[Flint Marko]

For me it's

1. BB
2. TDK
3. WS
4. TDKR
5. TFA

CW would have to be clearly #1 for me of the 6 movies for Captain America to even have a shot. I'll vote after I see it tonight.

How are you seeing it tonight?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

How are you seeing it tonight?

Early Screening.

 

[Flint Marko]

Early Screening.

Yes but how? Where are these early screenings and how did you get access to them? Are they open to the public?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yes but how? Where are these early screenings and how did you get access to them? Are they open to the public?

Captain America's twitter tweeted out a link for free early screenings in 25 cities. I clicked it and got a ticket to it. It's tonight at 7:30 est. There's a few of us on this site that got tickets. I think I actually was alerted to it in a thread on this site.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Yes but how? Where are these early screenings and how did you get access to them? Are they open to the public?

There's a site where you could get tickets to em for free, but since they're first come first serve they're all gone by now. Anyone can get em, it's just a matter of getting lucky and being able to snag your tickets in time.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Seeitfirst.net is the site.

 

[Flint Marko]

Damn, I didn't know that. I'm really disappointed. I live close to Atlanta so I could've definitely gone there to see it.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I didn't know either but I saw some posters talk about it so I googled it and ended up at the see it first link. Somehow there were still some left, and this was like on monday. You should sign up for the site anyway, I think they'll email you when new screenings are available.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

First Avenger - 9
Winter Soldier - 8
Civil War - ?

Batman Begins - 8
The Dark Knight - 10
The Dark Knight Rises - 7

First Class - 9
Days of Future Past - 10
Apocalypse - ?

So far X-Men leads with Batman next and Cap a very close 3rd, though probably 2nd if Civil War isn't a mess

I'm glad you brought up the First Class trilogy. It defenitely deserves consideration.

 

[Erzengel]

I like the scoring.

TFA - 8.0
TWS - 9.0
CW -

BB - 8.0
TDK - 10.0
TDKR - 7.0

I'm not sure how everyone is doing it, but even if TDK is better than any singular Captain America movie I don't see why not it can't be the sum of the parts.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I almost feel I should vote on this now, because I rate BB higher than TFA, and TDK higher than TWS. So even if I end up loving CW more than TDKR, the TDKT will still be the winner overall for me.

Agreed. Having watched the TDKT recently it still holds up incredibly well also. Not sure the Cap movies can do the same. As of yet anyway.

 

[Erzengel]

Agreed. Having watched the TDKT recently it still holds up incredibly well also. Not sure the Cap movies can do the same. As of yet anyway.

This would have been no contest if TDKR was better. The choreography, the story line really drag it down for me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This would have been no contest if TDKR was better. The choreography, the story line really drag it down for me.

I liked TDKR a lot personally and it still makes my top 10 CBMS. So for me this virtually is no contest as no matter how good CW is, TFA will still be below BB and TWS will still be below TDK for me.

 

[Erzengel]

BB would have been much better also if it wasn't for the Rachel Dawes character. It really should have been Harvey Dent but I have a feeling the Studio wanted a love interest.