Who Can Lift Mjolnir By Their Own Power?

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I know about Evolution.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Inspidred by a Green Lantern thread in DC,

Thor's Hammer, Mjollnir, can be picked up as long as they are worthy:
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Here is the first two:

Superman

Wonder Woman

Post any you can find and
I'll be looking too, and post when I can.

are we just limiting this to only comic book heroes?

If so I know for a fact spiderman and batman could lift the hammer.

They are both worthy of doing so.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

are we just limiting this to only comic book heroes?

If so I know for a fact spiderman and batman could lift the hammer.

They are both worthy of doing so.

Where the hell did you get that idea?????????Batmans to paranoid and Spiderman is to needy.Batmans not even willing to kill.A Viking god has no problem with killing.Batman is also to underhanded.....willing to cheet to win a fight.Thats why hes my fav.

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't recall Storm ever actually teaching anything at the mansion. Even during Morrison's run she was off with Claremont getting kidnapped or turned into someone's queen or whatever they do together.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't recall Storm ever actually teaching anything at the mansion. Even during Morrison's run she was off with Claremont getting kidnapped or turned into someone's queen or whatever they do together.

The Storm teaching thing we were talking about is from the last X-men cartoon not the comic book.

 

[CBG]

are we just limiting this to only comic book heroes?

If so I know for a fact spiderman and batman could lift the hammer.

They are both worthy of doing so.

Batman wouldn't be able to lift it. Too dark.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't recall Storm ever actually teaching anything at the mansion. Even during Morrison's run she was off with Claremont getting kidnapped or turned into someone's queen or whatever they do together.

The Storm teaching thing we were talking about is from the last X-men cartoon not the comic book.

I was talking about the whole concept of the X-Men in general, be it comics or cartoons. Xavier's Institute is a school, hence the adults should likely be teachers.

Come to think of it, though, I don't recall Storm ever teaching anything either. I remember her gardening, mostly.

 

[rodhulk]

Wow, welcome to the beginning of the thread.If the Hulk lifted Mjolnir in the movie, then obviously it doesn't have the same enchantments as the comics, because the Hulk can't lift Mjolnir in the comics.

By definition no movie is ever going to be set in the 616 universe since they are movies and not comics; rules from one don't apply to the other.

How is this possibly a debate? No one watches X-Men: Evolution going "woa there is 616 Storm supposd to be a teacher now or sumthing."

This still didn't answer the question? The poster I quoted above, Dan Slot, said Hulk (any universe version was implied, I'm sure) never lifted mjolnir. Yet the movie showed Hulk STRUGGLING to lift mjolnir. And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised.

Now, I do not consider the Ultimate Hulk to be the 'ultimate' version of the Hulk as this seems to belong to WWH, but still, did Hulk lift mjolnir with the Odin enchantment? If it wasn't the same enchantment, then what was the enchantment? And do we even know if it was the same enchantment as in the comics or not? I don't recall reading this anywhere.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure Dan was just talking about the Hulk in the 616 continuity, which wouldn't include either the Hulk from the Ultimate Avengers movies or Ultimate Hulk from the comics.

 

[BrianWilly]

I've never seen that movie, so I don't know if any enchantments on the hammer was ever stated in the movie. Regardless, your question has already been answered: whether there was an enchantment in the film or not, we know that it is not the same enchantment as in the comics because the Hulk is not able to lift Mjolnir in the comics.

As a sidenote, keep in mind that in the comics Ultimate universe, there's no worthiness enchantment whatsoever on Mjolnir. Anyone can lift it. That doesn't mean the movie falls under the same rules, but it does mean that different continuities have different rules.

 

[rodhulk]

No, we can only speculate that it wasn't the same enchantment. If you have a chance, watch the movie. It's probably cheap now as it came out a couple of years ago. In fact, you might even find the scene on youtube.

 

[BrianWilly]

We know that it is not the same enchantment as in the comics because the Hulk is not able to lift Mjolnir in the comics like he does in the film.

This is not rocket science.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless you buy the notion that being really strong is somehow enough to override magic enchantments (which I think is pretty stupid, but others--mostly Hulk fans--think is totally fine), and you suppose that the Hulk shown in Ultimate Avengers is stronger than the 616 Hulk.

 

[BrianWilly]

If being really strong were enough to override the magic enchantment, then King Thor should've been able to pick it up even after he killed Jake Olsen.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Not sure if this was mentioned - but Superman didn't lift it, he used his strength to add to it's momentum. WW had to lift it for him after the battle.

 

[Varient]

Aren't all the X-Men supposed to be teachers? No one ever seems to remember that that place is a school except for Morrison and probably whoever writes New X-Men (I don't read it, so I can't say for sure).

Well.

No.

Logan Does the self defense,..
Hank Does Classroom stuff
Angel has been shown with flyers
Emma has done classes for mind powers
Peter with an art class?
Kurt has done xman level training in agility drills.
Slim run the admin and upkeep of the school.

I've never seen
Bobby,
Ororo,
Katherine,
Jean,
Rogue,
Gambit,
Bishop,

Do any classes,.. I get the impression from years of canon that only some of the Gold/Blue teams worked toward degrees in teaching.

 

[Varient]

are we just limiting this to only comic book heroes?

If so I know for a fact spiderman and batman could lift the hammer.

They are both worthy of doing so.

(raised eyebrow)

No.
Spiderman has tried and got dragged around before he gave up.

Batman? Worthy?

Maybe after seeing a shrink.

 

[BrianWilly]

Not sure if this was mentioned - but Superman didn't lift it, he used his strength to add to it's momentum. WW had to lift it for him after the battle.

No she didn't. You mean Thor had to lift it after the battle. Wonder Woman only lifted it in the Marvel vs DC crossover, not the JLA/Avengers crossover.

Thor himself said that Superman overcame the spell, with Odin's permission. Whether that means he truly lifted it or just "added to its momentum" is up for interpretation, but it's safe to conclude that Superman did something with the hammer in that moment that he ordinarily wouldn't have been able to do.

 

[fifthfiend]

I don't recall Storm ever actually teaching anything at the mansion. Even during Morrison's run she was off with Claremont getting kidnapped or turned into someone's queen or whatever they do together.

Don't forget getting dressed up like a schoolgirl

 

[Doc Destruction]

No she didn't. You mean Thor had to lift it after the battle. Wonder Woman only lifted it in the Marvel vs DC crossover, not the JLA/Avengers crossover.

I'm 99 percent sure she did. And she didn't turn into Thorina either. I'll have to go look it up now.

 

[BrianWilly]

She really didn't.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Well, I'll have to re-read it. I've been wanting to for awhile anyway.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised..

You have a limited amagination.Why does AUA Thor's reaction or shock to AUA Hulk lifting of the hammer have to imply that there must have been an enchantment because if there wasnt one he shouldnt have been surprised by him lifting????
It could be that even with out the enchantment that the Hammer was so heavy that no one else in this Thor's history [and who knows how long that is in this universe] has ever been strong enough to lift it.You neen to open up your mind to other posiblities and other reasons for why things are the way they seem to be......your stuck on just two way at looking at things.

 

[rodhulk]

We know that it is not the same enchantment as in the comics because the Hulk is not able to lift Mjolnir in the comics like he does in the film.

This is not rocket science.

So I guess you're the final word on everything then!

Until Marvel confirm, you DON'T know!

 

[rodhulk]

Unless you buy the notion that being really strong is somehow enough to override magic enchantments (which I think is pretty stupid, but others--mostly Hulk fans--think is totally fine), and you suppose that the Hulk shown in Ultimate Avengers is stronger than the 616 Hulk.

I'm asking a simple question on something? How is that stupid?