Who Can Lift Mjolnir By Their Own Power?

[BrianWilly]

Just to show you how stupid you really are, in the same way you accuse me of having this Hulk ******itude, you have the exact SAME attitude, but in opposition to me. Now, think about that!

And if your attitude is ******ed, and my attitude is the opposite of that, then that means my attitude is really smart!



Logic wins again.

Once again, I NEVER said it was the same enchantment nor did I say I wanted it to be. You see, that's just your SPECULATION on me.

Oh please, who do you think you're kidding? Blind people on the moon can see which way your bias is swinging. You want Hulk to break the Mjolnir enchantment so badly that you've literally blocked any other possibility from your mind.

You still haven't seen the movie so you can't say on whether it's the same enchantment. You're just going by the comics.

And guess what? The comics are the final authority on topics pertaining to -- wait for it -- the comics. Maybe there's an enchantment on the movie Mjolnir in spite of the fact that the movie itself never states it...maybe not. Either way, it's not the same enchantment from the comics because the comics' enchantment would not let Hulk lift the hammer. End of story.

Not that it matters anyway, 'cause rodhulk joins Jplaya on my ignore list staaarrtiiingg...now.

 

[herakles]

And if your attitude is ******ed, and my attitude is the opposite of that, then that means my attitude is really smart!



Logic wins again.

Oh please, who do you think you're kidding? Blind people on the moon can see which way your bias is swinging. You want Hulk to break the Mjolnir enchantment so badly that you've literally blocked any other possibility from your mind.

And guess what? The comics are the final authority on topics pertaining to -- wait for it -- the comics. Maybe there's an enchantment on the movie Mjolnir in spite of the fact that the movie itself never states it...maybe not. Either way, it's not the same enchantment from the comics because the comics' enchantment would not let Hulk lift the hammer. End of story.

Not that it matters anyway, 'cause rodhulk joins Jplaya on my ignore list staaarrtiiingg...now.

I agree with you in that Movies DO NOT count... Comics DO! Also their is difference between the Ultimate Marvel universe and the Standard Marvel universe. If Hulk fans want to split hairs then fine BUT IMO until Hulk lifts mjolnir in 616 it doesn't matter what a movie and the Ultimate Marvel Hulk does!!!!!!! 616 Mjolnir has the legendary echantment so any other version of Mjolnir being lifted or not doesn't count!

 

[rodhulk]

And if your attitude is ******ed, and my attitude is the opposite of that, then that means my attitude is really smart!



Logic wins again.

Oh please, who do you think you're kidding? Blind people on the moon can see which way your bias is swinging. You want Hulk to break the Mjolnir enchantment so badly that you've literally blocked any other possibility from your mind.

And guess what? The comics are the final authority on topics pertaining to -- wait for it -- the comics. Maybe there's an enchantment on the movie Mjolnir in spite of the fact that the movie itself never states it...maybe not. Either way, it's not the same enchantment from the comics because the comics' enchantment would not let Hulk lift the hammer. End of story.

Not that it matters anyway, 'cause rodhulk joins Jplaya on my ignore list staaarrtiiingg...now.

Then again, if you're EQUAL with me (in giving a ******ed post/argument), then your post/argument must be...... ******ED too! t: And what I meant as the opposite was your view on the issue, but the way you went about it (post/argument) was in the same fashion that you accused me and my posts/argument. In other words, what you accused me of you're guilty yourself.

You SAY I want Hulk to break the enchantment yet I agreed with another poster that it would be stupid! Sorry, but you lose!

And we were talking about the whole Marvel Universe and all realities and what have you, I made this very clear in earlier posts beginning with my response to Dan!

And hey, if you can't take the heat, then yeah, please put me on your ignore list.

 

[rodhulk]

I agree with you in that Movies DO NOT count... Comics DO! Also their is difference between the Ultimate Marvel universe and the Standard Marvel universe. If Hulk fans want to split hairs then fine BUT IMO until Hulk lifts mjolnir in 616 it doesn't matter what a movie and the Ultimate Marvel Hulk does!!!!!!! 616 Mjolnir has the legendary echantment so any other version of Mjolnir being lifted or not doesn't count!

.......... the only thing about the movies not counting is that the issue I raised INCLUDED THE MOVIES. So, if you're going to respond, then respond accordingly.

 

[rodhulk]

I agree that saying its just really heavy isnt likely but since they really havent gotten into just who or what Thor is in the Animated Ultimate Universe [other then a few of Thors statements] we wont know wether or not it has an enchament unless they do a new movie focusing on his character.

No, we probably won't know but I was just curious on the issue and was wondering if anyone knew.

 

[rodhulk]

Simple answer: it would return to his hand. It's one of the other enchantments.

If for some reason it didn't return to his hand though it would act like any other free floating object. In the past it's been shown that it can be moved or dragged, just not lifted. In space moving it about isn't lifting it.

So in space you could probably wield it. You wouldn't have the power of Thor part though cause you wouldn't have met the "worthy" part but you could swing it about all you like.

There's also a chance that it would attach itself to some other random free floating object. like a satellite or shuttle or something. Acting like that other object is the ground and only someone worthy could separate the two.

Here's another question, though.

If one was able to actually wield the hammer and move it around in space, would one be able to use a Godblast with it?

I believe I know the answer which would be NO! This has to do with Thor but I'll leave it at that for now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Presumably no one but a god would be able to use a godblast, since it's supposed to be Thor's divine essence funneled through Mjolnir.

 

[herakles]

.......... the only thing about the movies not counting is that the issue I raised INCLUDED THE MOVIES. So, if you're going to respond, then respond accordingly.

ok for the third attempt to reply

I saw the scene in question and no where did I see anything about Hulk overriding any enchantment on Mjolnir let alone one placed on it ny Odin! If you want to believe that UA Hulk overrode the enchantment? then fine! Remember this the enchantment that has legendary status is from 616 universe and the Hulk of that universe can NOT override the enchantment!

 

[Varient]

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Sometimes your flat statements just shock the heck outta me.

 

[BrianWilly]

The fact that people still take this guy seriously shocks the heck outta me.

 

[rodhulk]

ok for the third attempt to reply

I saw the scene in question and no where did I see anything about Hulk overriding any enchantment on Mjolnir let alone one placed on it ny Odin! If you want to believe that UA Hulk overrode the enchantment? then fine! Remember this the enchantment that has legendary status is from 616 universe and the Hulk of that universe can NOT override the enchantment!

No, this is your second attempt, and I'll ask, attempt at what? To tell me that I'm wrong at saying Hulk overrode the enchantment of the 616 universe? Well, for the 'who knows how many times' I've said this, I NEVER said that Hulk overrode the 616 enchantment. I was ONLY QUESTIONING it, that is, what really happened because some type of enchantment seemed in place.

Listen, Hulk is stronger than Thor yet Thor lifts mjolnir easily in the movie. Hulk struggles to lift it. This suggests an enchantment. How do you not see this?

 

[rodhulk]

Presumably no one but a god would be able to use a godblast, since it's supposed to be Thor's divine essence funneled through Mjolnir.

Exactly, that's why I said the answer is in Thor since it's not any power in mjolnir but Thor's own power.

Also, I don't doubt it but do you think another God (aside from Odin and the LT/TOAA) could cause a godblast with mjolnir.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The means of unleashing the godforce are likely a secret or else there would be a lot of damage from angry gods with no self control. Most gods even if they could unleash the energy would create a much smaller blast. Thor is the child of the two strongest of all Earth's gods so his divine energy is probably much stronger than most gods and may well be the strongest period.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Listen, Hulk is stronger than Thor yet Thor lifts mjolnir easily in the movie. Hulk struggles to lift it. This suggests an enchantment. How do you not see this?

That right there is the first valid point you've made in this debate.Not meaning to disrespect you at all but up untill now all you've said is that Thor looked shocked and suprised so there must be an enchantment.This new point you have brought up open's a new line of debate on this topic.
Althou I do have a possible answer for it...even I dont like it but it has been suggested that the Hammer that U Thor uses is not M'jenoir but a pease of tech....if thats the case it may be that UThor had it designed so that only he could lift it.I know its a streach but its possible.

And besides like I said in an other post ....I do belive that 616 Hulk once lifted 616 Thors hammer back in the 80's.If I remember right he passed out right after.

 

[herakles]

No, this is your second attempt, and I'll ask, attempt at what? To tell me that I'm wrong at saying Hulk overrode the enchantment of the 616 universe? Well, for the 'who knows how many times' I've said this, I NEVER said that Hulk overrode the 616 enchantment. I was ONLY QUESTIONING it, that is, what really happened because some type of enchantment seemed in place.

Listen, Hulk is stronger than Thor yet Thor lifts mjolnir easily in the movie. Hulk struggles to lift it. This suggests an enchantment. How do you not see this?

I made 2 attempts to reply to you that died on me while at work so that is why I said that. If you misstook that as I taking a knock at you then that was NOT my intent. To me it didn't seemed to have any enchantment on the movie version of Mjolnir. NOw if that is what you think then what can I do? I have my own opinions and you have yours.

It is just that it seems to me and other people that Hulk fans seem to have a hard on to the fact that Hulk can't override the enchantment on Mjolnir. Now my knowledge the Ultimate Thor doesn't have that enchantment on his hammer? If Im wrong then Im wrong. Also WHY does this matter some much too you? First of all it is NOT cannon ie not done in the comics. Second movies always deviate from the original source. Third if it makes you happy that a movie Hulk lifts a movie version Mjolnir then be happy. Just stop trying to convince people who don't think that.

 

[herakles]

Exactly, that's why I said the answer is in Thor since it's not any power in mjolnir but Thor's own power.

Also, I don't doubt it but do you think another God (aside from Odin and the LT/TOAA) could cause a godblast with mjolnir.

I think the godblast is an inharent power that Thor has much like Hulk's ability to get stronger via rage. Mjolnir is a very power weapon in it's self alone! According the Norse beliefs it was the most powerful weapon that the God's had. But also I've yet to see Thor use his Godblast without Mjolnir so I think that Mjolnir is the trigger for that power?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Uru is good for focusing enchantments. Since Thor is not a practiced sorcerer he uses his hammer to focus and channel the blast. Odin has Thrudstok (sp?) his scepter for the same purpose.

 

[Vartha]

I think the godblast is an inharent power that Thor has much like Hulk's ability to get stronger via rage. Mjolnir is a very power weapon in it's self alone! According the Norse beliefs it was the most powerful weapon that the God's had. But also I've yet to see Thor use his Godblast without Mjolnir so I think that Mjolnir is the trigger for that power?

He used a form of the Godblast during the Raganarok arc without Mjolnir, and destroyed the villian he used it on.

Here's the use of those powers and this is WITHOUT the Odinforce OR Mjolnir

 

[herakles]

He used a form of the Godblast during the Raganarok arc without Mjolnir, and destroyed the villian he used it on.

Here's the use of those powers and this is WITHOUT the Odinforce OR Mjolnir

What issue was not? Also was that before or after he gained the Rune Magic?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor #80, I believe, and it was before he gained his rune magic. Thor had the modified Simonson armor on the entire time he had the rune magic/Odinpower/wisdom combo.

 

[Vartha]

Yes, it was BEFORE Thor had gained the Odinforce/wisdom/Rune-magic it was a few pages AFTER this that Thor had left to do the Trials to gain the Odinforce/wisdom/Rune-magic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, then I guess it might've been in #81, then. I don't remember which issue specifically Thor went through the trials for the rune magic and wisdom.

 

[PhotoJones]

I need to reread Thor: Disassembled.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[PhotoJones]

We should start a book club.