who had what ideas first?!?

[Mr. Credible]

okay, honestly... i don't even feel like getting too in depth into this argument right now, but:

who came up with what first between consoles?

sony apparently copied the 'tilt function' from nintendo, but i just saw a video here with a guy playing grand turismo and warhawk (ps1 version, from some odd years ago) with tilt only... and sony may have not done the analog stick first, but they did the '2 analog sticks' first which microsoft copied, and the '4 shoulder buttons' first, which, again, microsoft copied, and the console camera first, which microsoft copied, so, to argue about who did what first, here a thread for you:

have at you, snake!

 

[Mentok]

Sony thought of everything years ago...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

D-Pad: NES
Shoulder Buttons: SNES
Diamond Pattern for buttons: SNES
Analog Stick: N64
Rumble feature: N64
Built-in Rumbe: PS1 (Dualshock redesign)
Modern* Wireless Controller: Gamecube

Sony copied using Nintendo's tilt function on a console system after Nintendo revealed theirs. It's like the analog stick, the analog stick was long used on arcade games, Nintendo was the first to bring it to home consoles.

*I say Modern Wireless Controller b/c there were attempts at a wireless controller back in the day, but they used a very different technology than the wavebird which performed poorly.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

and sony may have not done the analog stick first, but they did the '2 analog sticks' first which microsoft copied, and the '4 shoulder buttons' first, which, again, microsoft copied, and the console camera first, which microsoft copied, so, to argue about who did what first, here a thread for you:

Sony copied the "four face buttons" off the SNES.

Sony copied the camera from Gameboy.

 

[Danalys]

most of these ideas aren't worth patenting. triggers, analog controls, buttons all done on the arcades years before on consoles. the d pad is different to some extent but its a devolution of the joystick idea. the shape of controllers is based on ergonomics and you better believe they all went through **** loads of options they just choose differently. tilt is the same it was done in the arcades in super hangon for one example. pointing as an idea has been used in light guns, presentations with laser pointers, there is a human instinct to point at things. they all naturally extend each others attemps when they think the time is right but they all had the same ideas.

 

[Avalanche]

Sony copied the "four face buttons" off the SNES.

Sony copied the camera from Gameboy.

Evil Sony.

 

[Phaser]

This thread is ridiculous. It really doesn't matter who had what technology first. What really matters is that who makes better use of the technology. I don't understand why anyone would give a damn about Nintendo being the first to use analog sticks on a controller with the N64 if Sony did it better with the Dual Shock. Why would anyone in their right mind care whether the DC's was the first online console gaming service if Xbox Live is simply much more superior?

If you go to a store to buy an HDTV, what company brand would you be most inclined to purchase? The one who invented the technology or the one with superior technology?

All the whiny, stuck-up babies on this forum accusing one company of "stealing ideas" from another should get out of their isolated basements and into the the real world. It's practically a trend in the hardware business - someone comes up with a unique, interesting or novel idea or design and everybody else follows suit. Just take a look at the mobile phone market, or that of MP3 players and whatnot. To all those bitter fanboys who are making such a big deal out of something so trivial, there are literally hundreds of examples out there that might hopefully knock some sense into you.

 

[Danalys]

they challenge nothing. sony challenges everything. nintento plays their own game. and microsoft throws money from good ideas at bad.

 

[Avalanche]

This thread is ridiculous. It really doesn't matter who had what technology first. What really matters is that who makes better use of the technology. I don't understand why anyone would give a damn about Nintendo being the first to use analog sticks on a controller with the N64 if Sony did it better with the Dual Shock. Why would anyone in their right mind care whether the DC's was the first online console gaming service if Xbox Live is simply much more superior?

If you go to a store to buy an HDTV, what company brand would you be most inclined to purchase? The one who invented the technology or the one with superior technology?

All the whiny, stuck-up babies on this forum accusing one company of "stealing ideas" from another should get out of their isolated basements and into the the real world. It's practically a trend in the hardware business - someone comes up with a unique, interesting or novel idea or design and everybody else follows suit. Just take a look at the mobile phone market, or that of MP3 players and whatnot. To all those bitter fanboys who are making such a big deal out of something so trivial, there are literally hundreds of examples out there that might hopefully knock some sense into you.

Well said.

All this stealing moaning is just an excuse for extra digs at the respective companies.

 

[lars573]

D-Pad: NES
Shoulder Buttons: SNES
Diamond Pattern for buttons: SNES
Analog Stick: N64
Rumble feature: N64
Built-in Rumbe: PS1 (Dualshock redesign)
Modern* Wireless Controller: Gamecube

Sony copied using Nintendo's tilt function on a console system after Nintendo revealed theirs. It's like the analog stick, the analog stick was long used on arcade games, Nintendo was the first to bring it to home consoles.

*I say Modern Wireless Controller b/c there were attempts at a wireless controller back in the day, but they used a very different technology than the wavebird which performed poorly.

The terms you are looking for are RF and IR. The Wavebird was the first RF (radio frequency) wireless controller, as far as I know anyhow. Previous wireless controllers used IR, infra red. RF is superior to IR brcause it doesn't need a direct line of sight between the transmitter and reciever.

Also arcade machines didn't use analouge sticks before the N64 they were digital sticks. Analouge means that it has many readable stations between off and on. Digital means that it's either off or on.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If you go to a store to buy an HDTV, what company brand would you be most inclined to purchase? The one who invented the technology or the one with superior technology?

HDTV was created by several companies, not one.

 

[Phaser]

HDTV was created by several companies, not one.

Way to overshoot and miss my point, skippy.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I saw your point, but you used a bad example to support it.

 

[Phaser]

I saw your point, but you used a bad example to support it.

So I only overlooked the fact that there was more than one company involved in the creation of the HD technology. So what? That doesn't mean that all consumer electronic companies had a hand in them. Despite my slight omission, was it really so hard to take the second part of my sentence as implying to the companies that didn't partake in the introduction of HD technology yet now have products that employ it?

Again, the folks on this forum seem to be obsessed over the most trivial things...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

So I only overlooked the fact that there was more than one company involved in the creation of the HD technology. So what? That doesn't mean that all consumer electronic companies had a hand in them. Despite my slight omission, was it really so hard to take the second part of my sentence as implying to the companies that didn't partake in the introduction of HD technology?

Obviously not since I told you I understood your point.

Again, the folks on this forum seem to be obsessed over the most trivial things...

People are always obsessed with trivial things. It's our human nature.

 

[Addendum]

I'm obsessed with getting a great slab of ribs. Since I live in Memphis, it's only natural.

However, for trivial things, I don't give them one iota of thought, since they're so damned unimportant.

 

[Danalys]

The terms you are looking for are RF and IR. The Wavebird was the first RF (radio frequency) wireless controller, as far as I know anyhow. Previous wireless controllers used IR, infra red. RF is superior to IR brcause it doesn't need a direct line of sight between the transmitter and reciever.

Also arcade machines didn't use analouge sticks before the N64 they were digital sticks. Analouge means that it has many readable stations between off and on. Digital means that it's either off or on.

operation wolf had a gun mounted to an analog stick. there were loads of vector graphic based games before that that used them aswell. in personal computing they had analog sticks for flight simulators. sony even released one with dual sticks before nintendo released the n64.

 

[iambilly81]

there is no way sony would have put in that tilt function in there controllers until they saw how popular and how much you can do with the wii-mote. sure some ps1 games delt with a contoller that had some of the function, but you wouldnt see that in todays model unless nintendo showed theres.

if it was such a big idea of there, they would have shown it when ps3 was first shown over a year ago.