Who is engineering Ultron in Avengers 2?

[ss3walkman]

I think it's Stark. They may have Pym references saying it was a collaboration without even showing him, just a name dump like Bruce Banner's in TWS as the creator of the stress reliever that Fury took. But then again, if he's going crazy then you'd have to show more of Pym helping it stop him.

I think it'll be Stark makes him so he doesn't have to dawn the suit any longer and can focus on Stark Industries and/or Avengers Tower. Now, think about this.. WHAT IF Loki's staff which is in Hydra's hands is used on Ultron? Now we did see it wasn't successful on Tony in Avengers but what if on a mission it is recovered by Ultron and while in his possession is somehow activated and like a virus it turns Ultron evil? Just a thought. Or maybe Arnim Zola hacks Ultron and uses him as his personal killing machine.

What do you think about AoU?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Tony Stark.

 

[LordMortis315]

My first thought was HYDRA.

 

[Ant-manic]

U-Gen; whatever that is

 

[The_Manhunter]

My theory is that the World Security Council has it commissioned as a replacement for SHIELD. As to who specifically designs it, I really have no idea, as I can't see Stark doing something like that for the government.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm going to go with 'HYDRA', albeit probably based on designs and prototypes produced by SHIELD before the civil war.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Stark will make the body, but

Spoiler

Hydra will corrupt it using Zola's algorithm.

 

[ss3walkman]

I think Stark will make the body, but

Spoiler

Hydra will corrupt it using Zola's algorithm.

Yes! More I think about it the more I believe Zola will be the reason for Ultron's "virus"

How about this.. With it looking like there's no IM4, Ultron kills Pepper? I think it would create a bad a** tone for the movie Empire a Strikes Back style. Tony teams up with the Avengers to stop him and in the end he walks away from it all.. Until the possible arrival of Thanos in A3.

With no IM4 I feel Tony is going to drive this movie a lot.

 

[Ant-manic]

My theory is that the World Security Council has it commissioned as a replacement for SHIELD. As to who specifically designs it, I really have no idea, as I can't see Stark doing something like that for the government.

he might not be doing it for the government but in reaction to the Avengers, all of a sudden, being responsible for protecting the world. SHIELD was kind of a safety net; dealing with the smaller threats so the Avengers could worry about the big stuff. Stark is fully that arrogant, impulsive, and naive. remember that he "privatized world peace."

 

[ss3walkman]

My theory is that the World Security Council has it commissioned as a replacement for SHIELD. As to who specifically designs it, I really have no idea, as I can't see Stark doing something like that for the government.

Or, Tony sees SHIELD's fall as a way to push Ultron's as the new global threat response unit. Zola corrupts them and they attack world leaders and other threats like in TWS. I mean they said TWS was the closest film to AoU. We seen in IM3 that Tony is fully capable of making mass amounts of suits too.

Makes me wonder.. We seen the mind gem in Avengers. We see Hydra has it. What if they use it on Tony now (unlikely) or... A lot of people think in TWS after credits that Loki's spear gave the twins powers. What if instead they were "miracles" prior and they're using the mind gem to control them AND what if Scarlett Witch uses her reality warping powers in hydra's favor

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes! More I think about it the more I believe Zola will be the reason for Ultron's "virus"

How about this.. With it looking like there's no IM4, Ultron kills Pepper? I think it would create a bad a** tone for the movie Empire a Strikes Back style. Tony teams up with the Avengers to stop him and in the end he walks away from it all.. Until the possible arrival of Thanos in A3.

With no IM4 I feel Tony is going to drive this movie a lot.

I think it will be like Avengers in distribution. Iron Man and Cap will drive the movie and will get the most screentime. Everyone else will have varying degrees of support.

 

[DrCosmic]

^I think so too.

Tony Stark will make the AI, because... Tony Stark makes the best AI.
Tony Stark will probably make the robot form because... Tony Stark makes the best robots.

Captain America or Black Widow may contribute Zola's Algorithm, even though that'd be dumb, because Cap knows that thing is dangerous. Cap may contribute his memories, since SHIELD had the tech to record mind to data with Zola.

Banner might come up with some really bright idea to make Ultron even better. Thor might contribute some item or weapon or whatever. Good times.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

I'm not sure we need Zolas algorithm in the story. My bets for the story -

Strucker has his own team of Super-Powered Villains that he's been putting together.. prob controlled by Lokis mind control stick.

Stark helps to produce Ultron using a combination of Jarvis AI/Automated suit technology/The Destroyer remains. This way he can contribute to saving the world without armouring up.

Ultron does awesome job helping the Avengers and owning Struckers team.

Ultron decides that Struckers team only exists because it was a needed response to the Avengers and the other heroes.

Ultron decides he has to kill ALL the Avengers and people with special powers as the only way to make sure there are no more super-villains.

 

[cherokeesam]

I believe Ultron will be created by Arnim Zola with the assistance of Howard Stark, sometime during the Cold War. The robot won't be activated until modern day, when HYDRA emerges from the shadows, and Ultron will be part of Zola's algorithm and carry out "HYDRA's good work" in trying to eliminate all potential superheroes (thus leaving, in theory, a HYDRA monopoly on supers, of the villain variety).

I just have to SMH at all these theories that Tony Stark and/or any other Avenger would even consider creating a killer robot to do their job for them. That's not even close to the reason Ultron emerged in the comics. Why the hell would superheroes create a supervillain, even by accident....? smh

 

[Hyde]

Well, y'know, it was that way in the comics.

I find it incredibly unlikely that HYDRA will have a part in Ultron's creation/corruption. Marvel Studios are all about keeping the core essence of their characters the same, but the extra stuff is fair game to change around.

By making Stark the creator, sure you're changing the fact that Hank Pym did it in the comics, but it's still a genius scientist creating an AI for _____ reasons, and then the AI going crazy. If HYDRA are behind it, then Ultron will have villainous intent from the start, and it turns into just another killer robot storyline that has been overdone to death for decades.

Some fans are probably still mad that Pym won't be the creator, but if you're trying think up a reason for Ultron's creation, at least write something that's akin to what Ultron represented in the comics and don't just depart from the source material even further.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

We don't know. They could go a number of different ways, all of which would be plausible.

The only thing we do know (thanks to Word of God) is that it isn't Hank Pym.

 

[DrCosmic]

We also know, by word of the same gods, that Ultron will be connected to Tony Stark. This has been repeated in multiple ways, on multiple occasions since the helmet teaser.

Everything other than that, with HYDRA, Howard, someone else creating him and whatever is pure supposition.

Has anyone come up with any logical reason why it can't just be Stark?

I just have to SMH at all these theories that Tony Stark and/or any other Avenger would even consider creating a killer robot to do their job for them. That's not even close to the reason Ultron emerged in the comics. Why the hell would superheroes create a supervillain, even by accident....? smh

The nature of accidents, as you know, is that people get unintended results. I suggest reading up on the original Ultron stories if you have trouble imagining how a superhero could accidentally create Ultron.

Well, y'know, it was that way in the comics.

I find it incredibly unlikely that HYDRA will have a part in Ultron's creation/corruption. Marvel Studios are all about keeping the core essence of their characters the same, but the extra stuff is fair game to change around.

By making Stark the creator, sure you're changing the fact that Hank Pym did it in the comics, but it's still a genius scientist creating an AI for _____ reasons, and then the AI going crazy. If HYDRA are behind it, then Ultron will have villainous intent from the start, and it turns into just another killer robot storyline that has been overdone to death for decades.

Some fans are probably still mad that Pym won't be the creator, but if you're trying think up a reason for Ultron's creation, at least write something that's akin to what Ultron represented in the comics and don't just depart from the source material even further.

Exactly. Stark fits perfectly into Pym's role in Ultron's story. The rest of these epileptic tree theories involve dumbness, like taking the pathos from Ultron, calling an algorithm an artificial intelligence (dictionary please?), or that SHIELD had Ultron in storage and just didn't bother to activate him when they needed him, or saying that Strucker fed Ultron to the Avengers to keep them busy while he worked on the Miracles, which he deemed as actually important. These are illogical ideas that contradict with the MCU. Why are you people doing this?

Tony Stark already makes AI controlled fighting robots. It's what he does. Why are we trying to find other people to retcon into doing that, when you have an inventing Avenger (Pym was an inventing Avenger, for those non-comics fans), who will actually be in the heat of the battle against Ultron the same way Pym was. You guys aren't being logical at all, and you're not saying what emotions are driving overlooking the obvious, simple, hinted at solution.

Ultron does not #HailHYDRA

 

[DrCosmic]

For those who haven't been following this, here's what we know:

Whedon on Ultron

Pym is NOT in the movie
Ultron's origin is IN AoU
Hank Pym is not in the mix.
Ultron's origin comes more directly from the Avengers we already know about.
Ultron is someone who evolves (multiple iterations)

Feige on Ultron

When asked if Tony Stark makes Ultron, Feige says this:
"We are adapting Ultron’s origins from the comics, and in the comics it was Hank Pym who created him. Hank Pym is not in Age of Ultron, so we are tweaking it. We do think there’s another character we have that is quite good with artificial intelligence, so smart people can make assumptions which I cannot confirm or deny.”

Hey, Avengers 2: Age of Ultron teaser, what MCU character does Ultron seem to come out of? They wouldn't happen to be an Avenger we already know about and be quite good with AI would they?



Bonus round:

Whedon on changing things from comics when asked about Pym for Ultron
"We don't have to have him. It works very simply -- this is Marvel cinema, not Marvel comics," Whedon told io9. "One thing [Marvel Studios head] Kevin Feige has a genius for is knowing what to hold onto and what to let go of. You can invoke the feeling you had and play with the characters you love and remain true to the needs of the film. You'll have to wait and and see, but you don't need a Pym to create an Ultron."

For all those who want to change the feeling of Ultron by having him not be evil by accident and created by a beloved member of the team. I'm glad Whedon is just tweaking the story instead of totally overhauling it as some of you suggest.

But maybe I'm wrong, maybe these are just minor comments and not major clues as to what/where Ultron is. Can anyone find anything, anything at all from Whedon, Feige or any MCU person that connects Ultron with HYDRA, Howard Stark, SHIELD, Hank Pym, or Arnim Zola?

Based on what we know, tell me what you think. Is there any logical reason it shouldn't be Tony Stark?

 

[Artistsean]

In Winter Soldier and Agents of SHIELD it is mentioned that [BLACKOUT]Hydra has created an AI program[/BLACKOUT] (actually created by Zola) [BLACKOUT]that accesses all of SHIELD's surveillance they have on everyone and hacks into the cameras and everything on the Internet, and figures out your future actions.[/BLACKOUT]
And Baron Strucker is in Age of Ultron, [BLACKOUT]and seen at the end of Winter Soldier,[/BLACKOUT] so my guess is that Hydra's AI program evolves out of control, into Ultron, and takes over Stark Tech, including the armors.

 

[DrCosmic]

In Winter Soldier and Agents of SHIELD it is mentioned that [BLACKOUT]Hydra has created an AI program[/BLACKOUT] (actually created by Zola) [BLACKOUT]that accesses all of SHIELD's surveillance they have on everyone and hacks into the cameras and everything on the Internet, and figures out your future actions.[/BLACKOUT]
And Baron Strucker is in Age of Ultron, [BLACKOUT]and seen at the end of Winter Soldier,[/BLACKOUT] so my guess is that Hydra's AI program evolves out of control, into Ultron, and takes over Stark Tech, including the armors.

This is not true. [blackout]An algorithm, by definition is not an AI program. Zola's algorithm is never called an AI, it never acts like an AI or does anything on its own. It's just a program, like every other algorithm ever made.[/blackout] Also, How does Strucker appearing have anything to do with AI? [blackout]He's all about the miracles. He doesn't say one thing about AI, on the contrary, he seems to have his hands full with the staff and twins and thinks of everything else as so unimportant he's going to give them up to keep the superheroes busy.[/blackout] Also, if HYDRA did have an AI, how would it attacking their enemies be it being 'out of control?' It's still doing HYDRA's good work.

 

[Hyde]

I'm with Cosmic on this. That said, I do think Zola's algorithm will have SOMETHING to do with Ultron. They're both computer programs/AI's/whatever, have similar goals (wipe out powerful individuals or a heck of a lot of people) etc, Feige and everyone else at Marvel have said that The Winter Soldier heavily relates to Age of Ultron and the two are so close to each other. It would be kinda strange if this huge, Ultron-esque idea had nothing to do with the real Ultron in the end.

 

[bubbadoom]

I believe Ultron will be created by Arnim Zola with the assistance of Howard Stark, sometime during the Cold War. The robot won't be activated until modern day, when HYDRA emerges from the shadows, and Ultron will be part of Zola's algorithm and carry out "HYDRA's good work" in trying to eliminate all potential superheroes (thus leaving, in theory, a HYDRA monopoly on supers, of the villain variety).

I just have to SMH at all these theories that Tony Stark and/or any other Avenger would even consider creating a killer robot to do their job for them. That's not even close to the reason Ultron emerged in the comics. Why the hell would superheroes create a supervillain, even by accident....? smh

I like the Zola idea - they could fold Ultron in with those great Sleepers that Kirby had in Cap in Suspense and Cap #102 [the Vision is a knock off of the fourth Sleeper anyway].

Otherwise, I see no reason Pym can not show up in A2 to give Stark a hand in Ultron's creation - Marvel does have Michael Douglas under contract after all...

 

[JJ01]

I like the Zola idea - they could fold Ultron in with those great Sleepers that Kirby had in Cap in Suspense and Cap #102 [the Vision is a knock off of the fourth Sleeper anyway].

Otherwise, I see no reason Pym can not show up in A2 to give Stark a hand in Ultron's creation - Marvel does have Michael Douglas under contract after all...

It would be smart if they involve Pym in this movie, since Ant-Man comes out 2 months after AoU. I'm not talking about a credits scene, since sometimes people don't even stay for that part. Besides, by May 1, we will already have Ant-Man's trailer. My idea would be: Tony builds Ultron for some reason, maybe because of SHIELD is gone, or maybe because Jarvis is not good enough for certain tasks (first option seems more likely to me). Upon encountering the Twins/HYDRA, they infect Ultron and by doing so, he goes rogue. Now, how could have they infected him? Maybe with some sort of code designed by Pym (assuming he was part of SHIELD) back in 60's-70's, or maybe with his own brainwaves. That way not only you're pleasing both fanbases, but also you're giving both Tony and Pym a hand in Ultron's creation, just like in EMH. While trying to figure out what went wrong, Tony finds Ultron was corrupted by Pym's code. Since all of SHIELD's dirty secrets are all over the internet, even a quick google search by the Avengers could show the audience Hank Pym was a scientist/agent from back then, also known as Ant-Man. I'm particularly interested in Strucker's plans all over the world and with the twins. I don't see them doing basic stuff like bank robberies and such.

 

[KDM1986]

Hail Hydra......I mean really nothing else matters now.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, y'know, it was that way in the comics.

I find it incredibly unlikely that HYDRA will have a part in Ultron's creation/corruption. Marvel Studios are all about keeping the core essence of their characters the same, but the extra stuff is fair game to change around.

By making Stark the creator, sure you're changing the fact that Hank Pym did it in the comics, but it's still a genius scientist creating an AI for _____ reasons, and then the AI going crazy. If HYDRA are behind it, then Ultron will have villainous intent from the start, and it turns into just another killer robot storyline that has been overdone to death for decades.

Some fans are probably still mad that Pym won't be the creator, but if you're trying think up a reason for Ultron's creation, at least write something that's akin to what Ultron represented in the comics and don't just depart from the source material even further.

Simple as that.