Who is to blame if this film doesn't do well?

[HULKSTER'04]

They should've got Rob Cohen to do the film, his take on the STEALTH movie was far more impressive. They should've got Wolfgang Petersen to do this film TROY was as great, they should've got M. Night Shaymalan as a consultant in bringing depth to this film. MARVEL mess things up for themselves, they focused on Spider-Man so much that they neglect the potential of the rest of their characters. They should've got rid of Zak Penn a long time ago, we'll probably see another Hulk movie in about another 20 years or so thanks to those who visualise this movie as it is than what it should've been. This is the end for the Hulk as a movie franchise.

I felt that the movie went too fast for me to internalize the story, the cave scene was very blunt, it's like i've never seen that scene from another movie before...duh???

 

[UA-Archangel]

They should've got Rob Cohen to do the film, his take on the STEALTH movie was far more impressive. They should've got Wolfgang Petersen to do this film TROY was as great, they should've got M. Night Shaymalan as a consultant in bringing depth to this film. MARVEL mess things up for themselves, they focused on Spider-Man so much that they neglect the potential of the rest of their characters. They should've got rid of Zak Penn a long time ago, we'll probably see another Hulk movie in about another 20 years or so thanks to those who visualise this movie as it is than what it should've been. This is the end for the Hulk as a movie franchise.

I felt that the movie went too fast for me to internalize the story, the cave scene was very blunt, it's like i've never seen that scene from another movie before...duh???

I thought Hulk was very well done, both movies. However, Hulk just isn't as popular with the general public.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I thought Hulk was very well done, both movies. However, Hulk just isn't as popular with the general public.

And there I feel... is the root of the problem.


Maybe it's not that one movie is better than the other... perhaps it's because nothing about this character interests me whatsoever.

 

[dcHulk]

And there I feel... is the root of the problem.


Maybe it's not that one movie is better than the other... perhaps it's because nothing about this character interests me whatsoever.

Then why are you here commenting on these boards? Trolling perhaps...

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Then why are you here commenting on these boards? Trolling perhaps...

Hostile much?... but no i'm not trolling at all...

Look... I was never an Iron Man fan (at ALL) until I seen the movie this May - now I am one.

I'm not a Hulk fan, but believe me I've tried - I was hoping this movie would do it for me... but alas...

I'm still waiting for that HULK project that makes me see why he has fans.

 

[dcHulk]

Hostile much?... but no i'm not trolling at all...

Look... I was never an Iron Man fan (at ALL) until I seen the movie this May - now I am one.

I'm not a Hulk fan, but believe me I've tried - I was hoping this movie would do it for me... but alas...

I'm still waiting for that HULK project that makes me see why he has fans.

No, not hostile. I think anyone has the right to these boards as long as they operate within the confines of the rules. However, with the release of TiH, these boards have been crawling with fans of other characters trying to trash the Hulk and create frivolous arguments. Given your user name and the perceived negativity...I think you can make the connection. I'm sorry the current slab of silver screen performances by the big green guy hasn't made you a fan. And I can't say that I'm suprised. Neither story has had a balanced approach of psychology and destruction. But I think the potential is there from TiH for this type of thing to be addressed in future installments. As for the "Hulk Smash" aspect, I don't believe the current state of Hollywood is capable of producing the grand destruction left in the wake of a Hulk breakout, at least according to the comics. TiH comes close...but budgets and realism cuts things short.

Ask any Hulk fan why they are a fan, and I'm sure you will get a different answer. The story of the Hulk is just rich in character. And I'm a science guru. I'm working on an advanced degree in biophysics (if I'm posting, I'm probably waiting for something to happen in the lab). And from my childhood I was exposed the Hulk through comics, cartoons and live-action shows. I've grown to love the duality of Bruce/Hulk.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Posted by: UA-Archangel

I thought Hulk was very well done, both movies. However, Hulk just isn't as popular with the general public.

If you'd look closely in the first film the way the Hulk was introduced was explosive and there was so much thrill feel everytime he Hulks out, but with the second film he just transform from banner to hulk and vice versa. I did not feel a single thrill while watching the movie, it was so fast, it lacked content, so many holes to be filled. They're like trying so hard to bring out the emotion of the whole movie, its as if it was very difficult to just let it all out. We actually were expecting more action than the first, but it was so watered down to boring! This film is actually about the 70s Hulk and nothing more, just a man on the run, that's it!
Please don't tell me that movies is not about the action all the time, because Batman scored so much as Titanic did, both showed elaborate and extravagant action, the story is a plus, just 2 or 3 notches behind the highlights. I'm still so very disappointed.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

One example is the scene from '03 Hulk when banner was harrased by talbot.I mean c'mon! I'm sure anyone will agree with me that there was a catalyst that brought about the Hulk's rage on that scene. I thought that was perfect in laying down the story, I have NOT seen a scene in TIH that is in par or that comes halfway to it. TIH has the potential dont get me wrong I've always believed that, but they should've took the time to make the movie and not focus mainly on the gray shades of the story, like the man on the run theme, and, I dont know. Its just so frustrating.

 

[dcHulk]

Posted by: UA-Archangel


If you'd look closely in the first film the way the Hulk was introduced was explosive and there was so much thrill feel everytime he Hulks out, but with the second film he just transform from banner to hulk and vice versa. I did not feel a single thrill while watching the movie, it was so fast, it lacked content, so many holes to be filled. They're like trying so hard to bring out the emotion of the whole movie, its as if it was very difficult to just let it all out. We actually were expecting more action than the first, but it was so watered down to boring! This film is actually about the 70s Hulk and nothing more, just a man on the run, that's it!
Please don't tell me that movies is not about the action all the time, because Batman scored so much as Titanic did, both showed elaborate and extravagant action, the story is a plus, just 2 or 3 notches behind the highlights. I'm still so very disappointed.

The recent Batman outings I'll give you. But don't tell me you really brought up Titanic for its "action". A boat sinks, with a cheesy love story mingled with it.

 

[dcHulk]

One example is the scene from '03 Hulk when banner was harrased by talbot.I mean c'mon! I'm sure anyone will agree with me that there was a catalyst that brought about the Hulk's rage on that scene. I thought that was perfect in laying down the story, I have NOT seen a scene in TIH that is in par or that comes halfway to it. TIH has the potential dont get me wrong I've always believed that, but they should've took the time to make the movie and not focus mainly on the gray shades of the story, like the man on the run theme, and, I dont know. Its just so frustrating.

So at the college in TiH, Betty in duress is not a catalyst for the Hulk's rage? That scene tells the audience that Bruce and the Hulk is deeply committed to Betty. To me, it has an even stronger effect than Banner gettin slammed and punched by Talbot because the abuse is happening to a loved one...

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Ok fine, I guess I was mistaken when I used the word "action" in the Titanic movie. What I meant was the special effects used in the film plus the entire ambience of the situation helped brought about the desired response from the audience, asside from the cheesy love story that accompanied it. Anyways the problem is, people complained that 03 Hulk was boring, but I've seen him brawled with a couple of tanks, choppers, jets, and the majority of the military for that matter. In TIH he had a hard time picking up that humvee and basing on his durability in that film I think he'd be killed by just 1 tank balst.
LL could've done so much better than that, he did an impressive work on the transporters movies and he messed up with this one.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

The college scene? C'mon! They didn't do anything to Betty that should be considered as a "catalyst" to unleash the Hulk, what made Banner angry was the tear gas and not Betty being harrassed, and I really didn't think that she was harrassed in that scene. Micheal Bay brought the best out of the 130 million plus budget he had while doing the Transformers movie, both films basically had the same budget. Why was TIH so boring in terms of action????? Which was the clamour of the Hulk fans and critics alike.

 

[UA-Archangel]

The college scene? C'mon! They didn't do anything to Betty that should be considered as a "catalyst" to unleash the Hulk, what made Banner angry was the tear gas and not Betty being harrassed, and I really didn't think that she was harrassed in that scene. Micheal Bay brought the best out of the 130 million plus budget he had while doing the Transformers movie, both films basically had the same budget. Why was TIH so boring in terms of action????? Which was the clamour of the Hulk fans and critics alike.

You have to remember about this movie is that if Banners heartbeat hit 200, he'd hulk out.

Just prior to this scene, he was running for his life. Add being caged like a rat with no escape and then seeing your soulmate being brought down by the military (though she wasn't in any real danger), that combination would cause most people to have a rush of adrenaline.

 

[dcHulk]

You have to remember about this movie is that if Banners heartbeat hit 200, he'd hulk out.

Just prior to this scene, he was running for his life. Add being caged like a rat with no escape and then seeing your soulmate being brought down by the military (though she wasn't in any real danger), that combination would cause most people to have a rush of adrenaline.

Exactly my point at the college scene.

 

[dark_b]

but still. the guy is a smart man. she was running to him because she didnt know what was it all about. the guy just jumped on her. and voila.
nothing more. i agree that it was a combination of everything.

but there was not lot about banners character in TIH. about the connection with hulk.

 

[dcHulk]

but still. the guy is a smart man. she was running to him because she didnt know what was it all about. the guy just jumped on her. and voila.
nothing more. i agree that it was a combination of everything.

but there was not lot about banners character in TIH. about the connection with hulk.

This I agree with 100%. The only thing we really got to see in terms of how the Hulk interacts with Banner is that Bruce gets "flashbacks" or visions of what the Hulk saw at a given time. I was disappointed that we didn't really see the dynamic between the Hulk and Bruce. The movie poster even suggested the animosity between the two. But then again, we didn't get the very first scene of the movie (Arctic scene) either. I can just imagine that after Bruce pulls the trigger and the Hulk emerges we hear the Hulk yell: "Banner!" That would at least give us a tease. But I also recall that Norton said that he and LL intentionally left stuff out (perhaps this duality) for sequels.

 

[Sarg92]

In TIH he had a hard time picking up that humvee and basing on his durability in that film I think he'd be killed by just 1 tank balst.
LL could've done so much better than that, he did an impressive work on the transporters movies and he messed up with this one.

If you watch that scene with Hulk and the humvee you will see that he is not struggling. He grabs the humvee, swings it around as if it weighs nothing then swing it back and lift it up and slam it down a couple of times without much effort. And he wouldn't get killed by one tank blast, Blonsky shoots Hulk with some bazooka type weapon from close range to Hulk's back and Hulk barely moved.

And yes Leterrier didn't really do anything spectacular, I think he had some restriants from Marvel as the battle with Abomination in the first draft is different to the final product. There is much more collateral damage and more fist to fist fights with some objects used as weapons.

but still. the guy is a smart man. she was running to him because she didnt know what was it all about. the guy just jumped on her. and voila.
nothing more. i agree that it was a combination of everything.

It was a combination of a lot of things and another that comes to mind is how Banner doesn't want Ross to get his hands on Hulk as Ross will attempt to recreate more and use it as a weapon. So that thought must have been in his head too.

This I agree with 100%. The only thing we really got to see in terms of how the Hulk interacts with Banner is that Bruce gets "flashbacks" or visions of what the Hulk saw at a given time. I was disappointed that we didn't really see the dynamic between the Hulk and Bruce. The movie poster even suggested the animosity between the two. But then again, we didn't get the very first scene of the movie (Arctic scene) either. I can just imagine that after Bruce pulls the trigger and the Hulk emerges we hear the Hulk yell: "Banner!" That would at least give us a tease. But I also recall that Norton said that he and LL intentionally left stuff out (perhaps this duality) for sequels.

In my opinion the first draft is much better than what they used for the final product. There is much more of a struggle for control between Hulk and Banner. We get parts of the film from Hulk's clouded point of view. We see how the serum from Sterns helps Banner get more control over Hulk and Hulk doesn't see things as he did before. The way it is described in the script there is also sympathy created for Hulk as well as Banner. There is also much more of Banner in Brazil travelling to America, crossing borders and such with immigrants. The scene with Samson may have answered some questions and given more character development for Banner but it could have led to more questions. Plus we would have seen Norton's writing skills because Samson was added to the film by Norton not Penn.

 

[zanos]

If you watch that scene with Hulk and the humvee you will see that he is not struggling. He grabs the humvee, swings it around as if it weighs nothing then swing it back and lift it up and slam it down a couple of times without much effort. And he wouldn't get killed by one tank blast, Blonsky shoots Hulk with some bazooka type weapon from close range to Hulk's back and Hulk barely moved.

And yes Leterrier didn't really do anything spectacular, I think he had some restriants from Marvel as the battle with Abomination in the first draft is different to the final product. There is much more collateral damage and more fist to fist fights with some objects used as weapons.




It was a combination of a lot of things and another that comes to mind is how Banner doesn't want Ross to get his hands on Hulk as Ross will attempt to recreate more and use it as a weapon. So that thought must have been in his head too.




In my opinion the first draft is much better than what they used for the final product. There is much more of a struggle for control between Hulk and Banner. We get parts of the film from Hulk's clouded point of view. We see how the serum from Sterns helps Banner get more control over Hulk and Hulk doesn't see things as he did before. The way it is described in the script there is also sympathy created for Hulk as well as Banner. There is also much more of Banner in Brazil travelling to America, crossing borders and such with immigrants. The scene with Samson may have answered some questions and given more character development for Banner but it could have led to more questions. Plus we would have seen Norton's writing skills because Samson was added to the film by Norton not Penn.

All very interesting rumors. I wonder why marvel/universal handcuffed Norton and LL. I guess after the debacle of the first film they probably felt they had to reign it in but unfortunately they chose the wrong person to do that with.

 

[[A]]

Who is to blame if this film doesn't do well?

Blame the people! I hate them for not loving the HULK! .......... .......... ..........
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[HULKSTER'04]

Posted by dc hulk

This I agree with 100%. The only thing we really got to see in terms of how the Hulk interacts with Banner is that Bruce gets "flashbacks" or visions of what the Hulk saw at a given time. I was disappointed that we didn't really see the dynamic between the Hulk and Bruce. The movie poster even suggested the animosity between the two. But then again, we didn't get the very first scene of the movie (Arctic scene) either. I can just imagine that after Bruce pulls the trigger and the Hulk emerges we hear the Hulk yell: "Banner!" That would at least give us a tease. But I also recall that Norton said that he and LL intentionally left stuff out (perhaps this duality) for sequels.

The flashbacks were great actually, it visualizes what Banner in 03 Hulk said about his memory of becomming the Hulk when Betty asked him he noted that 'it was like a dream'.

I think that they left too much out of this film that made it sour. I personally felt so unconvinced about the whole movie, it did not meet most of the expectations of the fans. Yeah it got good reviews because they left out the science mumbo-jumbo as fillers in between the lines, but they should've considered the fact that they were going to go up againts TDK and Iron Man for the summer. I've been through a lot of message boards browsing superhero related topics and found that Batman and Spider-Man are 2 of the most favoured superheroes of all time.
I believe that the general american public is addicted to these 2 and all they needed was something to catch their attention-and bingo TDK got the world on a hook,line, and bait. Even with a bold and daring action filled and perfect paced storylines for TIH would probably make it up to 300 million in box office in my opinion, maybe even up to 500 million just to push it. basically fans will have the final say, and TDK proved that Bats got more supporters than most people thought.

MARVEL gambled this time in doing TIH when they considered the first movie as a failure. Why in hell did they decided to put restraints on this film? If you decide to gamble you give it all or nothing at all. I guess they got too careful that ended up making a very big mistake.

 

[HULKSTER'04]

Posted by Sarg92

If you watch that scene with Hulk and the humvee you will see that he is not struggling. He grabs the humvee, swings it around as if it weighs nothing then swing it back and lift it up and slam it down a couple of times without much effort. And he wouldn't get killed by one tank blast, Blonsky shoots Hulk with some bazooka type weapon from close range to Hulk's back and Hulk barely moved.

And yes Leterrier didn't really do anything spectacular, I think he had some restriants from Marvel as the battle with Abomination in the first draft is different to the final product. There is much more collateral damage and more fist to fist fights with some objects used as weapons.

My eyes were perfecly clear when I watch TIH, I've seen it 3 times in the movie house and like 10 times in unlicensed websites since the DVD is not available yet(yes that's how hardcore fan I've become and I still watch it whenever I get the chance) and I swear he was having a hard time lifting that humvee compared to the comic books and 03 Hulk.
And those 0.50 Cals seemed to hurt him a bit, if you've seen the movie and payed close attention and if you knew the difference between a M203 Granade Launcher and an M1A1 armour-piercing shell you would agree with me that if there was an M1A1 Abrams tank in that movie and if Hulk would take a hit from it he'd DIE at that level of strength and durability.
God! even the gatling gun from the Apache scratched his back, I could hardly imagine what those hellfire missiles will do to him if he ever took a hit from 1. This is exactly what I meant when I said this movie is about the tv series Hulk and not the comic book Hulk, it just took on the stories from the comic books but never his skills and abilities-on what the Hulk can really do. Why do you think he was called the INCREDIBLE Hulk?

 

[Sarg92]

Posted by Sarg92


My eyes were perfecly clear when I watch TIH, I've seen it 3 times in the movie house and like 10 times in unlicensed websites since the DVD is not available yet(yes that's how hardcore fan I've become and I still watch it whenever I get the chance) and I swear he was having a hard time lifting that humvee compared to the comic books and 03 Hulk.
And those 0.50 Cals seemed to hurt him a bit, if you've seen the movie and payed close attention and if you knew the difference between a M203 Granade Launcher and an M1A1 armour-piercing shell you would agree with me that if there was an M1A1 Abrams tank in that movie and if Hulk would take a hit from it he'd DIE at that level of strength and durability.
God! even the gatling gun from the Apache scratched his back, I could hardly imagine what those hellfire missiles will do to him if he ever took a hit from 1. This is exactly what I meant when I said this movie is about the tv series Hulk and not the comic book Hulk, it just took on the stories from the comic books but never his skills and abilities-on what the Hulk can really do. Why do you think he was called the INCREDIBLE Hulk?

I agree that the Hulk in this film didn't perform any big feats of strength like Ang's Hulk did.

I don't know anything about army guns, tanks or helicopters so I can't comment on that.

But I have access to the film as parts of it are on YouTube and in my opinion Hulk didn't struggle lifting the humvee. And in the final battle, he rippped a car in half within seconds and then had a half of the car on each hand, giving the impression of boxing gloves. And then you see him swinging and jabbing at Abomination with a car on his hands as if they weigh nothing.

 

[dcHulk]

I think Marvel is trying to marry believability with fantasy and that's why the "feats of strength" don't seem too featy. Norton's Hulk is still incredibly powerful and I doubt that he would die from a missle. But hey, if Marvel makes a sequel, they can put this type of question to rest by delivering even more awesome destruction and clearly showing that the Hulk is incredible.

 

[smooth3006]

i blame the fans for not showing more support for the film. ang lee's version really also ruined any chances this move had and this one was far superior in every sense. i just hope they sell enough dvd's & blue rays to warrant a sequel.

 

[dark_b]

i blame the fans for not showing more support for the film. ang lee's version really also ruined any chances this move had and this one was far superior in every sense. i just hope they sell enough dvd's & blue rays to warrant a sequel.

this is such an insult.