Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 3

[fixxxer]

I seriously doubt any of the villain will be done the way I wish they could be...I have been waiting for that to occur since the beginning...the closest character usage and/or esssence has been Norman/GG; and, the best use of a actual fight scene are the brutal fight is SM1 burning building, the brutal fight, at the end of SM1, in the abandon building, and in SM2 clock tower/subway fight.

I don't expect Marvel to be much better....if you honestly look at all the film's they have done thus far, imo, only 5 villains was done the way it should & desired to be done...which to me is batting about .500. Which lead to the other part of my assessment.....\/

I'd hate to be in your shoes, man. I mean, going into these films with a preconception about how villains ought to be characterized and then being disappointed that reality didn't meet your ideas/concepts sounds exhausting.

Personally, I'd rather go in with a blank slate (insofar as that's possible) and evaluate what worked or didn't work after the fact.

 

[Batsfan1]

Again, I don't think this first villain should make personal attacks on Spidey at all. This movie should be about the villains of NYC learning to fear him and see him as a threat. So no Mysterio framing him, in my opinion.

I think Mysterio framing him is a really good first or second Spider-Man movie idea. And with Civil War having happened not long before, it works even better. The movie instead could be about finding his place as a hero and what that means for his life as a person, where he has to work for the public's trust after they're already wary of superheroes after CW. Meanwhile, Mysterio and Kraven the Hunter can capitalize on that and one will frame Spider-Man and the other will offer to hunt him down for the public. The Kraven aspect is flexible of course. That was just something I came up with off the top of my head. This could make for interesting Spider-Man on the run idea and make for a more personal aspect to the story.

God bless you all! God bless everyone!

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'd hate to be in your shoes, man. I mean, going into these films with a preconception about how villains ought to be characterized and then being disappointed that reality didn't meet your ideas/concepts sounds exhausting.

Personally, I'd rather go in with a blank slate (insofar as that's possible) and evaluate what worked or didn't work after the fact.

Everybody have some preconceived notion of what they want or expect to see...I'm no different. No one goes to a film with a blank slate...and not sure that's possible given we all are fans and have our favorites. I, like you, rather go in with a blank slate: but, in reality, that's very difficult to.

Now, it really doesn't bother me, no film or genre has ever completely filled my expectation [r desires in a character, synopsis, or story. I just know what I like & would like to see; as well as, a general sense of what a percentage of movie goers like and/or would like to see. No sweat off my brow.

 

[Webhead2006]

for me i still would perfer to start out with vulture or mysterio for head villain. With a secondary foe with the likes of shocker. I will be happy once we do get villain. So then we can try and see how it will relate to the peter and school life stuff.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I mostly just want the first film to really set up Spidey/Peter's life, ya know? Hence why I suggested a small villain to start out with because my focus wouldn't be on the villain as much as previous films. In sequels though is where I'd have the villains become bigger and more of a challenge, because as Spidey gets more experienced and comfortable in his role, so should the villains.

I get that it's an unpopular decision to advocate for a smaller villain when a lot of the MCU villains have been kind of weak, but I've always been far more interested in Spidey's world more than his rogue gallery -- aside from the four I mentioned in an earlier post (Gobby, Ock, Venom and Lizard) -- and I think the solo film would benefit greatly just by reintroducing us to a character we all wanna get excited about and what goes on with this iconic character before we get down to the biggies later on. I just wanna have fun first before things buckle down, personally.

My lineup would go as follows:

First film - Reestablishing the world of Spider-Man with Vulture being a nuisance rather than a real threat. A fun film to give us something stronger later on.

Second film - Pulling back from the world of Spider-Man a bit as it becomes personal with Kraven The Hunter and The Lizard. This film would be a lot more serious and demanding.

Third film - The true test of the hero in the form of Doc Ock or Venom (depending on if they go the Symbiote route). This film would be a doozy where stakes are high, relationships are tested, and responsibility is on the line.

After those (assuming there will be more), it can go back to being more lighter or continuing to go darker. Either way, that's just how I'd do it at the end of the day.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Two out of Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Scorpion, Shocker, and Vulture.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I mostly just want the first film to really set up Spidey/Peter's life, ya know? Hence why I suggested a small villain to start out with because my focus wouldn't be on the villain as much as previous films.

Peter's life not need that much of set up especially if they not even going to be doing origin story again. That will save lots of screen time so they can do any big villain they want.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Peter's life not need that much of set up especially if they not even going to be doing origin story again. That will save lots of screen time so they can do any big villain they want.

I really don't think any of spidey's big 3 should be in the first film as "the villain" (Ock/Venom/Osborn)

that would be a mistake.. part of there whole greatness of their villainy is the fact there's build up...

you always need some form of set up.. to let the viewers understand the world and introduce the supporting cast... you don't need his origin... but you do need set up.. all movies need set up unless you're a sequel. but even then they still set up the new characters added to a sequel

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I mostly just want the first film to really set up Spidey/Peter's life, ya know? Hence why I suggested a small villain to start out with because my focus wouldn't be on the villain as much as previous films. In sequels though is where I'd have the villains become bigger and more of a challenge, because as Spidey gets more experienced and comfortable in his role, so should the villains.

I get that it's an unpopular decision to advocate for a smaller villain when a lot of the MCU villains have been kind of weak, but I've always been far more interested in Spidey's world more than his rogue gallery -- aside from the four I mentioned in an earlier post (Gobby, Ock, Venom and Lizard) -- and I think the solo film would benefit greatly just by reintroducing us to a character we all wanna get excited about and what goes on with this iconic character before we get down to the biggies later on. I just wanna have fun first before things buckle down, personally.

My lineup would go as follows:

First film - Reestablishing the world of Spider-Man with Vulture being a nuisance rather than a real threat. A fun film to give us something stronger later on.

Second film - Pulling back from the world of Spider-Man a bit as it becomes personal with Kraven The Hunter and The Lizard. This film would be a lot more serious and demanding.

Third film - The true test of the hero in the form of Doc Ock or Venom (depending on if they go the Symbiote route). This film would be a doozy where stakes are high, relationships are tested, and responsibility is on the line.

After those (assuming there will be more), it can go back to being more lighter or continuing to go darker. Either way, that's just how I'd do it at the end of the day.

I definitely agree with you. I'd go with Mysterio personally but I wouldn't mind Vulture I guess. What I really want to see is Peter's inner turmoil, having to balance things, never having time, sacrificing so much to be a hero only to be hated by a ton of people and doing it all while carrying the guilt of Uncle Ben's death (and any others getting hurt). All that struggle is what makes it interesting imo. With all the fun wish fulfilment moments in between as well of course.

It's like spider-man 2, a huge chunk of that movie is all about Peter and a pretty good balance was given to Ock as well. I wouldn't say Ock ever really did anything compelling, he was just well acted and had great fight scenes. Imo. I think with the high school setting, a more modern perspective and a younger Peter, going the smaller, humanized route would be even more interesting and compelling.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Peter's life not need that much of set up especially if they not even going to be doing origin story again. That will save lots of screen time so they can do any big villain they want.

I respectfully disagree, dude. Throwing us right into Peter/Spider-Man with a big villain tacked on without any introduction or indication of his large universe (inside an even larger universe) would not be the best decision, personally. I'd much rather 'em take the time they're not spending on the origin story and focus it on Peter, Aunt May, the crew at Midtown High, ESU, the Bugle, Norman, etc. etc. whilst also giving us a small but fun villain to start with so it all blends nicely for the first film.

The sequels are where I would raise things up and present us with more demanding and interesting antagonists.

I really don't think any of spidey's big 3 should be in the first film as "the villain" (Ock/Venom/Osborn)

that would be a mistake.. part of there whole greatness of their villainy is the fact there's build up...

you always need some form of set up.. to let the viewers understand the world and introduce the supporting cast... you don't need his origin... but you do need set up.. all movies need set up unless you're a sequel. but even then they still set up the new characters added to a sequel

I definitely agree with you. I'd go with Mysterio personally but I wouldn't mind Vulture I guess.

That's cool, dude. Apples and oranges. You could probably swap out Vulture with Mysterio, Shocker, Beetle, etc. and get the same result, to be honest. I just personally prefer Vulture as you prefer Mysterio. All good!

What I really want to see is Peter's inner turmoil, having to balance things, never having time, sacrificing so much to be a hero only to be hated by a ton of people and doing it all while carrying the guilt of Uncle Ben's death (and any others getting hurt). All that struggle is what makes it interesting imo. With all the fun wish fulfilment moments in between as well of course.

Exactly, and that's what I feel we would/could get if they opt to go this route. Only time will tell, but I'm hoping they're at least considering this since they're skipping the origin story.

It's like spider-man 2, a huge chunk of that movie is all about Peter and a pretty good balance was given to Ock as well. I wouldn't say Ock ever really did anything compelling, he was just well acted and had great fight scenes.

Which is funny, 'cause I enjoyed a lot of the Parker Luck moments in Spider-Man 2 more than I did Ock overall (having still enjoyed Ock, mind you) but as you said, the balance was there and it all clicked.

Imo. I think with the high school setting, a more modern perspective and a younger Peter, going the smaller, humanized route would be even more interesting and compelling.

You nailed it.

 

[harryoscop]

I mostly just want the first film to really set up Spidey/Peter's life, ya know? Hence why I suggested a small villain to start out with because my focus wouldn't be on the villain as much as previous films. In sequels though is where I'd have the villains become bigger and more of a challenge, because as Spidey gets more experienced and comfortable in his role, so should the villains.

I get that it's an unpopular decision to advocate for a smaller villain when a lot of the MCU villains have been kind of weak, but I've always been far more interested in Spidey's world more than his rogue gallery -- aside from the four I mentioned in an earlier post (Gobby, Ock, Venom and Lizard) -- and I think the solo film would benefit greatly just by reintroducing us to a character we all wanna get excited about and what goes on with this iconic character before we get down to the biggies later on. I just wanna have fun first before things buckle down, personally.

My lineup would go as follows:

First film - Reestablishing the world of Spider-Man with Vulture being a nuisance rather than a real threat. A fun film to give us something stronger later on.

Second film - Pulling back from the world of Spider-Man a bit as it becomes personal with Kraven The Hunter and The Lizard. This film would be a lot more serious and demanding.

Third film - The true test of the hero in the form of Doc Ock or Venom (depending on if they go the Symbiote route). This film would be a doozy where stakes are high, relationships are tested, and responsibility is on the line.

After those (assuming there will be more), it can go back to being more lighter or continuing to go darker. Either way, that's just how I'd do it at the end of the day.

I kinda.. Really like this idea/pitch for a trilogy. I think you're onto something great there.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I kinda.. Really like this idea/pitch for a trilogy. I think you're onto something great there.

Appreciate it, buddy. Kinda what happens to me after binging SSM and finishing Spider-Man: Blue, haha.

 

[harryoscop]

Appreciate it, buddy. Kinda what happens to me after binging SSM and finishing Spider-Man: Blue, haha.

Haha, I totally need to read Spider-Man: Blue. I've heard some awesome things about it.

 

[I'm Batman.]

I like the thought of seeing Spider-Man swinging through the streets while chasing Vulture in between and over buildings.

 

[spiderman2]

I definitely agree with you. I'd go with Mysterio personally but I wouldn't mind Vulture I guess. What I really want to see is Peter's inner turmoil, having to balance things, never having time, sacrificing so much to be a hero only to be hated by a ton of people and doing it all while carrying the guilt of Uncle Ben's death (and any others getting hurt). All that struggle is what makes it interesting imo. With all the fun wish fulfilment moments in between as well of course.

It's like spider-man 2, a huge chunk of that movie is all about Peter and a pretty good balance was given to Ock as well. I wouldn't say Ock ever really did anything compelling, he was just well acted and had great fight scenes. Imo. I think with the high school setting, a more modern perspective and a younger Peter, going the smaller, humanized route would be even more interesting and compelling.

Yeah ock didn't do any thing like crazy compelling but he had a good reason to do what he was doing and also when it comes to peter's life him and harry's friendship and the issues with that was handled really while.

I like the thought of seeing Spider-Man swinging through the streets while chasing Vulture in between and over buildings.

That would be cool it would kind of be like the harry peter fight in sm3 a air fight and that is the only time we have really seen any thing like that.

 

[The Overlord]

I mostly just want the first film to really set up Spidey/Peter's life, ya know? Hence why I suggested a small villain to start out with because my focus wouldn't be on the villain as much as previous films. In sequels though is where I'd have the villains become bigger and more of a challenge, because as Spidey gets more experienced and comfortable in his role, so should the villains.

I get that it's an unpopular decision to advocate for a smaller villain when a lot of the MCU villains have been kind of weak, but I've always been far more interested in Spidey's world more than his rogue gallery -- aside from the four I mentioned in an earlier post (Gobby, Ock, Venom and Lizard) -- and I think the solo film would benefit greatly just by reintroducing us to a character we all wanna get excited about and what goes on with this iconic character before we get down to the biggies later on. I just wanna have fun first before things buckle down, personally.

My lineup would go as follows:

First film - Reestablishing the world of Spider-Man with Vulture being a nuisance rather than a real threat. A fun film to give us something stronger later on.

Second film - Pulling back from the world of Spider-Man a bit as it becomes personal with Kraven The Hunter and The Lizard. This film would be a lot more serious and demanding.

Third film - The true test of the hero in the form of Doc Ock or Venom (depending on if they go the Symbiote route). This film would be a doozy where stakes are high, relationships are tested, and responsibility is on the line.

After those (assuming there will be more), it can go back to being more lighter or continuing to go darker. Either way, that's just how I'd do it at the end of the day.

You have a right to your own opinion, but I feel that is what we got with the last Spider-Man movie.

In the last movie, the romance stuff between Peter and Gwen felt like the only relevant thing in the movie, the villains, Goblin and Electro, felt completely throwaway. That movie felt like it put all its energy into Peter's social life and the main plot with the villains fell flat. I think a really good Spider-Man movie can balance the personal stuff with Peter and have a compelling villain at the same time, I think Spider-Man 2 pulled that off.

Also frankly at this point, I really don't care whether a super villain successfully robs or not, at this point the money is insured and easily traceable. Unless the villain is going to kill the tellers at the bank, there are no real stakes with that, what happens if Vulture robs a bank, what the bank's insurance rates go up and Vulture gets away with some money that will likely be ruined by a ink pack in 5 minutes? Bank robbery is a crime in decline and if Vulture was smart, he would realize there are a several better ways, both legal and illegal to make money. I wouldn't blame Spidey for letting the cops handle Vulture if that is all he does. Spidey should be saving lives, not the bank's insurance rates, stopping a bank robbery should be strictly First Act, maybe Second Act Material, Spidey should not be foiling bank robberies by the Third Act.

 

[Webhead2006]

peter i agree this film needs to set up this new spidey and peter world and setting. Plus with all the talk of wanting to do more with the supporting players, and the high school angle and john hughs stuff. I bet we will focus more on peter/spidey. Then the villains are more of a problem he has to overcome and stop and how its affects his daily life and what not.

That is the biggest question we have. Besides which villain or villains the first film will use. How will the villain story intersect with peter/spidey and the high school angle they want to do this go around.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I really don't think any of spidey's big 3 should be in the first film as "the villain" (Ock/Venom/Osborn)

that would be a mistake.. part of there whole greatness of their villainy is the fact there's build up...

you always need some form of set up.. to let the viewers understand the world and introduce the supporting cast... you don't need his origin... but you do need set up.. all movies need set up unless you're a sequel. but even then they still set up the new characters added to a sequel

Disagreed. It not hurt first Raimi Spider-Man having Green Goblin first. It not hurt first Batman movie in 1989 to do Joker first. Even though Fantastic Four movies were bad the problem was not them doing Dr Doom in first movie. It would have worked if movie scripts had been better. It ok for X-Men to have Magneto first. It ok to have big villain in first movie origin or no origin. It extra ok to have big villain in this one because they don't need to build up Peter's life much now they not even doing origin.

Also Goblin and Dr Octopus not the only big villains Spider-Man have, they are just his biggest best ones.

I respectfully disagree, dude. Throwing us right into Peter/Spider-Man with a big villain tacked on without any introduction or indication of his large universe (inside an even larger universe) would not be the best decision, personally. I'd much rather 'em take the time they're not spending on the origin story and focus it on Peter, Aunt May, the crew at Midtown High, ESU, the Bugle, Norman, etc. etc. whilst also giving us a small but fun villain to start with so it all blends nicely for the first film.

Disagreed. Don't need whole movie to focus on those things. No comic movie ever need to do that even ones with origin. I think you expecting something that not necessary. Not need two hours to show Aunt May, Peter in school, and Daily Bugle lol.

 

[ernesth100]

I think Peters villains should get progressively more and more difficult as time goes on. To show his growth not only physicall and mentally. But as a hero and a character. I think before Peter goes to college he should face Goblin, Venom or the Six. As some sort of right of passage.

Start out with easy villains like Mysterio, Kraven, Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker

Get more difficult near Peters senior/sophmore years. Such as showing more difficult villains.
Rhino, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, and Doc Ock.

Then when Peter starts college we could have bigger villains like Goblin, Sinister Six, Venom and maybe Carnage.

Throught the films we could have Peter facing gang threats like Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone and Hammerhead in the background.

With quality of films I'm keeping it high. With quantity. Im expecting four max.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I think Peters villains should get progressively more and more difficult as time goes on. To show his growth not only physicall and mentally. But as a hero and a character. I think before Peter goes to college he should face Goblin, Venom or the Six. As some sort of right of passage.

Start out with easy villains like Mysterio, Kraven, Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker

Get more difficult near Peters senior/sophmore years. Such as showing more difficult villains.
Rhino, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, and Doc Ock.

Then when Peter starts college we could have bigger villains like Goblin, Sinister Six, Venom and maybe Carnage.

Throught the films we could have Peter facing gang threats like Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone and Hammerhead in the background.

With quality of films I'm keeping it high. With quantity. Im expecting four max.

Spot, Spot for first villain, #SpiderSlam2017

 

[ernesth100]

Sure why the hell not. Anything can happen

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Get more difficult near Peters senior/sophmore years. Such as showing more difficult villains.
Rhino, Sandman, Electro, Lizard, and Doc Ock.

Then when Peter starts college we could have bigger villains like Goblin, Sinister Six, Venom and maybe Carnage.

Venom and Carnage are not bigger villains than Dr Octopus. Goblin is equal with him. Sinister Six is Dr Octopus team. He made them. He lead them. ASM2 get that all wrong with Harry trying to make them.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Spot and Jack o'Lantern, have the lesser known villains, make them actual characters, fun characters, terryfing characters and just develop them, just:

 

[AvegningSpider]

Venom and Carnage are not bigger villains than Dr Octopus. Goblin is equal with him. Sinister Six is Dr Octopus team. He made them. He lead them. ASM2 get that all wrong with Harry trying to make them.

Venom, Doc Ock and Goblin are equal but Carnage.....

 

[PeterBenParker]

I really don't care whether a super villain successfully robs or not, at this point the money is insured and easily traceable. Unless the villain is going to kill the tellers at the bank, there are no real stakes with that, what happens if Vulture robs a bank, what the bank's insurance rates go up and Vulture gets away with some money that will likely be ruined by a ink pack in 5 minutes? Bank robbery is a crime in decline and if Vulture was smart, he would realize there are a several better ways, both legal and illegal to make money. I wouldn't blame Spidey for letting the cops handle Vulture if that is all he does. Spidey should be saving lives, not the bank's insurance rates, stopping a bank robbery should be strictly First Act, maybe Second Act Material, Spidey should not be foiling bank robberies by the Third Act.

Where did I state that I wanted Vulture robbing banks? I suggested he be a nuisance, which could be interpreted in more ways than one. Sure, he could rob banks, but that wouldn't be the sole thing he'd do because that's just laughable, dude.

And yes, Spider-Man should be saving lives but I really don't want him saving the world in his first film. That's just way too much.

Edit: Now I get where you got that from.

Vulture, on the otherhand, works because the "old man in a bird suit" could actually become an intriguing concept. I'd be far more interested in seeing why someone like Adrian Toomes (or Blackie Drago, or maybe even both) is such a cold, grumpy old man who feels the need to dress in a bird suit and flap his mechanical wings all over New York while terrorizing pedestrians and robbing banks.

That was just an example, lol.