Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[Webhead2006]

What even the plan I just want proper build up and character done to justice.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I want a proper Venom done right. None of this Agent Venom or Gargan Venom. Brock. Symbiote. As a dual entity. That uses "we" instead of "I." And is the brutal defender of innocents.

I agree fully. Give us 616 Eddie and the symbiote, no inferior knock-offs.

See, I (and I know there are a lot of others like me) view Gargan and Agent Venom as the superior versions. Still, I would certainly want Brock to come first for tradition's sake. But PLEASE don't try to make Brock into some sort of warped hero. Even if he may view himself as a hero in his own twisted psyche, I don't nonw of the "Lethal Defender" crap or whatever they called it.

What even the plan I just want proper build up and character done to justice.

^^That right there is the most important part.

 

[The Joker]

See, I (and I know there are a lot of others like me) view Gargan and Agent Venom as the superior versions.

I second that. Especially Agent Venom.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Hey Levi if you ever do write anything def post it. It's always fun to see others ideas for scripts.

I'll make sure I will. My Spidey stuff is crazy especially my origin. My origin has so much ****, and even before when I was writing it out it had even more **** that I decided to cut out do to me having too much ****.

But I'll no doubt post it whenever I finish it lol.

I always thought that anti-hero stuff was rubbish, too, and only done to try and keep the character fresh once the repetitive weak stalk and fight Spider-Man routine got stale fast. If they ever do Venom I hope they steer well clear of it.

One thing I remember from the comics was the symbiote liked Peter more than it did Brock. Peter was actually able to lure the symbiote off Brock just by offering to give himself to it. Was a major burn for Brock the symbiote crawling right off him and going to Peter, which I must admit enjoying. The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon did this scene, too.

If your take on Venom is quite different from the comics, LEVI, then that can only be a good thing. I'd love to see it when ever you get done writing it.

Yea with my Venom the thing is even if it's Eddie, I have it in such a way where really Norman's the puppet master so to speak.

Best way to describe my take. Currently writing my Spidey origin and it's a Year One of Spidey set up in a Long Halloween type where each part is one month. I have Spidey and Chameleon is my main villain and my Chameleon is very Cold War Russia influence. He's a former KGB along with now a criminal mastermind. Back to my point in the very first Spidey issue. Amazing Spider-Man #1, there's a scene where Spidey actually rescuing an astronaut by riding a jet plane to outer space, using his webbing.

I DO NOT want to do that lol. Instead I thought what if I end the first issue, which takes place in August, with a spaceship launch as a nod to that and it fits the Cold War influenced Chameleon I really have. Pilot would be Jameson's son and of course he's going on a deep space mission.

Let's go forth years later. He comes home, Peter's been Spidey. Gwen and Captain Stacy are dead at the hands of the Green Goblin in my take. Peter has sort of given up being Spidey. Jameson comes home and found something on his mission. Osborn and Oscorp secured a contract with NASA to study the alien life. Peter learns this and sees Norman saying "it's such a honor, this is something that will go down in history" ******** like that. Peter is mad. I didn't want Norman to die like how the comics did simply because I rather him live and be a reminder of the pain he causes Peter by him getting away with Gwen and Captain Stacy's death.

So Peter, dressed as Spidey, goes into Oscorp to steal the alien ooze. It of course attaches to him. After it's been discovered the ooze is gone, we get some scenes of employees looking for it and then we get Norman in his office alone with Peter and the black suit. Norman knows he's wearing the ooze and Peter says Norman doesn't deserve to be a part of history. You go turn yourself in for Gwen and Captain Stacy's deaths, I will give you the ooze back.

Of course Norman doesn't and this is where the ooze in my take gets interesting. I thought what if the ooze was basically a baby. The symboite hasn't developed yet and while it's on Peter, it's in its development state. That's why it doesn't fight back or turn into Venom. It's learning while being on Peter. Adapting. After maybe 9 months, that's when we it turn into Venom and try to feed on Peter's body. We have the Church scene and perhaps Eddie is under (even though I really don't like it because I feel like I'm not adding anything).

When Eddie gets it, he's never in control. I just feel that Eddie has an alien parasite on his body, the parasite would never give him control. The ooze isn't a fan Peter throwing him away. While he was on Peter he learned his secrets. I have an idea of this massive first meeting and fight scene at the college Peter, Eddie, and MJ went to with the ooze going after MJ since it knows Peter has feelings for her, though they aren't together yet. We see Peter and Venom fight, Peter wins, SHIELD cleans the mess up, MJ learns who Peter is. So on and so forth.

Eddie basically I want him to be Harvey Dentish and Eddie Thawneish. With Harvey Dent, Peter learns Eddie is inside the alien and his body is the alien's host. Like Batman with Harvey, Peter wants to save Eddie. With Eddie Thawne, I am a fan of the Flash show and I just loved how when we first saw him we sort of hated him because Flash fans knew what the Thawne name means but as the season progressed, you started to like Eddie. That's how I'm doing with my Eddie lol. At first you don't like Brock simply because you know he will be Venom but as the story goes on, you begin to really like the character. I know Eddie will be like Peter in the sense that Eddie is a good person. My take on Eddie he's not very smart or as bright as Peter but really he's just as good of a person as Peter is.

With Eddie Brock, one thing I'm toying with is that he's MJ boyfriend. I'm not sold on it. I know when Peter first meets MJ in my take, it's after Gwen's death and Peter begins to have feelings for her which he doesn't want because he doesn't want what happened to Gwen to happen to her. Either way AS GOOD OLE PARKER LUCK WOULD HAVE IT he wouldn't even have a chance since MJ has a boyfriend. Kind of based it off a real life situation I had where I met this girl who I really really began to like and had feelings for BUT AS LADY LUCK HAS IT she had a boyfriend. It's a situation that fits Peter. Again not 100% sure Eddie will be the boyfriend but I've created quite a few new characters in Spidey's world and I'm too lazy to think of another when i could maybe do something with Eddie.

I just have so many ideas in my head about how I would do Venom. I did like that idea of the suit rejecting Brock and going to Peter but I'm kind of gonna reverse it. Instead of being jealous in that sense, the ooze is going to make Spidey's life a living hell for rejecting him. Don't know if you read New 52 Batman Joker but think of Endgame. Great Joker story Scott Snyder does. Joker's basically tired of all the rejections Batman has thrown his way over the years after all the love Joker has shown him. In Endgame, Joker basically is like "I'm gonna make your life hell for rejecting me". Joker now cares Bruce is Batman where he didn't before. Joker just goes nuts.

That's really some ideas I have with Venom's origin. At the end of the day my take is very simple. Eddie Brock has an alien parasite attached to his body, why wouldn't the parasite overtake Eddie like it tried with Peter regardless if Eddie's mad at Peter or not.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ok cool levi.

Also was over at newsarama.com they made another top ten list for who might be villain for first film. Here is their list:
http://www.newsarama.com/24974-10-killer-candidates-for-spider-man-movie-s-big-bad.html

 

[The Joker]

Yea with my Venom the thing is even if it's Eddie, I have it in such a way where really Norman's the puppet master so to speak.

Best way to describe my take. Currently writing my Spidey origin and it's a Year One of Spidey set up in a Long Halloween type where each part is one month. I have Spidey and Chameleon is my main villain and my Chameleon is very Cold War Russia influence. He's a former KGB along with now a criminal mastermind. Back to my point in the very first Spidey issue. Amazing Spider-Man #1, there's a scene where Spidey actually rescuing an astronaut by riding a jet plane to outer space, using his webbing.

I DO NOT want to do that lol. Instead I thought what if I end the first issue, which takes place in August, with a spaceship launch as a nod to that and it fits the Cold War influenced Chameleon I really have. Pilot would be Jameson's son and of course he's going on a deep space mission.

Let's go forth years later. He comes home, Peter's been Spidey. Gwen and Captain Stacy are dead at the hands of the Green Goblin in my take. Peter has sort of given up being Spidey. Jameson comes home and found something on his mission. Osborn and Oscorp secured a contract with NASA to study the alien life. Peter learns this and sees Norman saying "it's such a honor, this is something that will go down in history" ******** like that. Peter is mad. I didn't want Norman to die like how the comics did simply because I rather him live and be a reminder of the pain he causes Peter by him getting away with Gwen and Captain Stacy's death.

So Peter, dressed as Spidey, goes into Oscorp to steal the alien ooze. It of course attaches to him. After it's been discovered the ooze is gone, we get some scenes of employees looking for it and then we get Norman in his office alone with Peter and the black suit. Norman knows he's wearing the ooze and Peter says Norman doesn't deserve to be a part of history. You go turn yourself in for Gwen and Captain Stacy's deaths, I will give you the ooze back.

Of course Norman doesn't and this is where the ooze in my take gets interesting. I thought what if the ooze was basically a baby. The symboite hasn't developed yet and while it's on Peter, it's in its development state. That's why it doesn't fight back or turn into Venom. It's learning while being on Peter. Adapting. After maybe 9 months, that's when we it turn into Venom and try to feed on Peter's body. We have the Church scene and perhaps Eddie is under (even though I really don't like it because I feel like I'm not adding anything).

When Eddie gets it, he's never in control. I just feel that Eddie has an alien parasite on his body, the parasite would never give him control. The ooze isn't a fan Peter throwing him away. While he was on Peter he learned his secrets. I have an idea of this massive first meeting and fight scene at the college Peter, Eddie, and MJ went to with the ooze going after MJ since it knows Peter has feelings for her, though they aren't together yet. We see Peter and Venom fight, Peter wins, SHIELD cleans the mess up, MJ learns who Peter is. So on and so forth.

Eddie basically I want him to be Harvey Dentish and Eddie Thawneish. With Harvey Dent, Peter learns Eddie is inside the alien and his body is the alien's host. Like Batman with Harvey, Peter wants to save Eddie. With Eddie Thawne, I am a fan of the Flash show and I just loved how when we first saw him we sort of hated him because Flash fans knew what the Thawne name means but as the season progressed, you started to like Eddie. That's how I'm doing with my Eddie lol. At first you don't like Brock simply because you know he will be Venom but as the story goes on, you begin to really like the character. I know Eddie will be like Peter in the sense that Eddie is a good person. My take on Eddie he's not very smart or as bright as Peter but really he's just as good of a person as Peter is.

With Eddie Brock, one thing I'm toying with is that he's MJ boyfriend. I'm not sold on it. I know when Peter first meets MJ in my take, it's after Gwen's death and Peter begins to have feelings for her which he doesn't want because he doesn't want what happened to Gwen to happen to her. Either way AS GOOD OLE PARKER LUCK WOULD HAVE IT he wouldn't even have a chance since MJ has a boyfriend. Kind of based it off a real life situation I had where I met this girl who I really really began to like and had feelings for BUT AS LADY LUCK HAS IT she had a boyfriend. It's a situation that fits Peter. Again not 100% sure Eddie will be the boyfriend but I've created quite a few new characters in Spidey's world and I'm too lazy to think of another when i could maybe do something with Eddie.

I just have so many ideas in my head about how I would do Venom. I did like that idea of the suit rejecting Brock and going to Peter but I'm kind of gonna reverse it. Instead of being jealous in that sense, the ooze is going to make Spidey's life a living hell for rejecting him. Don't know if you read New 52 Batman Joker but think of Endgame. Great Joker story Scott Snyder does. Joker's basically tired of all the rejections Batman has thrown his way over the years after all the love Joker has shown him. In Endgame, Joker basically is like "I'm gonna make your life hell for rejecting me". Joker now cares Bruce is Batman where he didn't before. Joker just goes nuts.

That's really some ideas I have with Venom's origin. At the end of the day my take is very simple. Eddie Brock has an alien parasite attached to his body, why wouldn't the parasite overtake Eddie like it tried with Peter regardless if Eddie's mad at Peter or not.

That is a fantastic concept

Although I usually roll my eyes at using Norman Osborn as the mastermind, because that horse has been beaten to death for plot devices in the comics, it actually works really well there.

If you want my advice don't make Eddie MJ's bf when they meet. It reeks of love triangle. Reminds me of the rubbish idea they toyed with for SM-2 having a younger Doc Ock be infatuated with MJ and create a bizarre love triangle.

But what ever you do make sure there is connection between Peter and Eddie before they become enemies. That's one of many things the comic books did wrong with Venom, not having that.

 

[TheGearMan]

I usually roll my eyes at using Norman Osborn as the mastermind,

I just wanna say I could not agree with that statement more.

 

[UltimateMarvel]

Wilson Fisk would be an interesting mastermind for this first trilogy. New and refreshing.

 

[SM71]

After watching him in 'The Things They Carried' in Supernatural S10, (aside from making a potentially great Joker) I'd love to see Travis Aaron Wade as pretty much ANY villain. The kid can act. He portrayed almost every possible kind of emotion and attitude in this episode extremely well. And he's not inherently creepy or evil looking which I think would be cool for a villain.

skip ahead to 2:10 for the scene in reference that I thought was great.

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[NotSoLongAgo]

Richard Fisk

 

[TheGearMan]

Richard Fisk

He's my top choice for Hobgoblin's secret ID.

 

[Webhead2006]

Wait is that an actor named Richard fisk. Or do you want Richard fisk in mcu spidry. If that case can't really happen. As Wilson wasn't even married yet in mcu take.

 

[TheGearMan]

Wait is that an actor named Richard fisk. Or do you want Richard fisk in mcu spidry. If that case can't really happen. As Wilson wasn't even married yet in mcu take.

He could be divorced.
I really want Richard Fisk to be Hobgoblin at some point. I'm 99% sure that it's not going to happen, sure, but I want it.

 

[I'm Venom]

Venom, to me, is the most legitimate Spider-Man villain. I'm a Spidey fan before just about anything else, and people always talk about how his rogues gallery is the best...but honestly most of them are cool looking and have cool gimmicks, but are very weak in terms of character most of them are bank robbers with abilities or evil for the sake of it...to me Venom actually had a better reason for being a Spider-Man villain, Parker luck is only surpassed by Brock luck, and both Brock and the symbiote hated Parker/Spider-Man, creating the foe who deserved a lot more than he was given by Marvel.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well again we know Wilson didn't date much and was only about to pop the question to who be Richard mom. So we yrs away from Richard fisk in mcu. And personally why you want him as hobo goblin I don't recall him ever being it. And I rather have kingsley.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

That is a fantastic concept

Although I usually roll my eyes at using Norman Osborn as the mastermind, because that horse has been beaten to death for plot devices in the comics, it actually works really well there.

If you want my advice don't make Eddie MJ's bf when they meet. It reeks of love triangle. Reminds me of the rubbish idea they toyed with for SM-2 having a younger Doc Ock be infatuated with MJ and create a bizarre love triangle.

But what ever you do make sure there is connection between Peter and Eddie before they become enemies. That's one of many things the comic books did wrong with Venom, not having that.

Thanks. Yea the way Norman is here, he's really the accidental mastermind haha. I mean in a way he deserves it. Peter is just mad Norman took something so important from him and now he hears about Norman receiving this great honor and everyone praising him and Peter's just ****ing pissed. He knows who Norman truly is. Peter just is fuming and since Norman took away something important to Peter, he takes something important from Norman. My take on Peter and Norman's relationship is strongly influenced by Slade and Robin's relationship in the Teen Titans cartoon. THE GOOD CARTOON LOL!

I mean nearly everyone feels after you have Gwen die, the next 2 Spidey stories should be Spidey No More and Back in Black and I do it but I also add to it where Norman has the ooze and it sort of changes everything. In my take, in a way Norman both caused Spidey to quit but then caused and inspired Spidey to come back lol.

Now with the possible Peter/MJ/Eddie, if there's one thing I can promise there wouldn't be any love triangle ****ing ********. It may seem like that on the surface but there wouldn't. I mean while we all recognize who the characters are and who will end up with who, but that doesn't mean there would be a love triangle. I know if Eddie/MJ were together, Peter would respect that while internally just be ****ing pissed. Like why does she have to be with him? He would also recognize what if he had MJ but Osborn came after her and she ended up like Gwen? Peter recognizes the dangers and would keep MJ out. He would respect the relationship between MJ/Eddie and would remain friends with both. I still even have MJ and Peter being neighbors and MJ's Aunt Anna and Aunt May be good friends but Peter wouldn't try to make them fight or breakup. I do know sometime they will breakup over something which I haven't written lol but it won't be a contest between Eddie and Peter with MJ as the prize.

Hell even after they breakup to when Eddie becomes Venom and Venom (not Eddie) goes after MJ (which I wanted to included bc I always liked how MJ was traumatized but Venom), she and Peter still wouldn't be together even though she knows. In fact after the Spidey vs Venom college fight, I have Peter tell MJ everything from Uncle Ben to Gwen. Even after she knows, we kind of see them more apart so to speak. MJ's busy with life so to speak (I have her as an art major and a painter and artist along with other stuff, thinking of maybe making her have a career as a fashion designer) and Peter's busy with Spidey. Because Venom's attack, Peter knows he can't be with MJ because she will never be safe and while they have small conversations every now and then, they don't really talk as much as they did. It isn't until I'm thinking Peter is the one who opens up to MJ and just unloads on her (NOT IN THE WAY YOU'RE THINKING LOL) all his emotions. How MJ is really the first girl since Gwen he has loved and how he feels if she is with him then she could die and how he doesn't want to she her hurt and just while this goes on MJ just tells him to stop talking and just kisses Peter then tells her she's afraid too but she also really loves Peter too. That he isn't the only one who lost someone they cared about but that doesn't mean they should stop living. Something like that still ironing it out but I can say there wouldn't be any dumb stupid love triangle ********. After losing Gwen, Peter wouldn't do something that could cause someone to lose someone they care about. I also know that one thing MJ does is she asks Peter to please get rid of the black suit and she says that she would design a new suit for him if he gets rid of it due to it giving her let's say unpleasant dreams. In designing a new suit, basically she designs the classic red and blue Spidey suit for Peter (my original Spidey suit is very Alex Ross SM1 influenced but in red and blue and not red and black).

Wow that was long for that segment lol.

And yea we will see Eddie and Peter interact before we see Venom v Spider-Man. I do know they first be classmates in one of those requirement type classes (because no way Eddie's a ****ing science major) and they just got along great. Trying to think where Harry will be. I do know in my take Iceman will be Peter's best friend since childhood. I wanted it simply as a Spidey and His Amazing Friends nod but I have Peter meeting Harry in college but with Norman I have thought of him sort of "fixing" something so that Harry gets to study aboard so he wouldn't be with Peter after what Peter did to Norman. But you will see a friendship between Eddie and Peter similar to sort of Bruce and Harvey's in BTAS.

That's overall my Venom ideas. I just really feel like I have something where I like and I'm alright with with Venom. I really do like the symbiote taking control and being in control of Eddie. Basically it's like how Hulk is in control at times and Banner isn't or how Man-Bat at times is in control and not Kirk or like Lizard with Connors. Basically the monster is in control, not the people it's with.

 

[TheGearMan]

Well again we know Wilson didn't date much and was only about to pop the question to who be Richard mom. So we yrs away from Richard fisk in mcu. And personally why you want him as hobo goblin I don't recall him ever being it. And I rather have kingsley.

It could be Fisk's illegitimate child with some random lady.

I want Richard Fisk to be Hobgoblin because that's who DeFalco wanted to be Hobgoblin. Kingsley was supposed to be the Rose.

 

[Webhead2006]

I like kingsley better. And as cool as it would be to see Richard in mcu probably won't be for a long time. And I doubt mcu fisk has any illegitimate kids. Just going by his character take.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Kingsley Hobgoblin is best. Have him or nobody. Can't beat original.

 

[Supa]

Hey guys look! The villain has been leaked!

Can't believe they're doing the Lizard again, smh...

But seriously, I still want Mysterio

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Looks better than ASM Lizard lol.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Venom, to me, is the most legitimate Spider-Man villain. I'm a Spidey fan before just about anything else, and people always talk about how his rogues gallery is the best...but honestly most of them are cool looking and have cool gimmicks, but are very weak in terms of character most of them are bank robbers with abilities or evil for the sake of it...to me Venom actually had a better reason for being a Spider-Man villain, Parker luck is only surpassed by Brock luck, and both Brock and the symbiote hated Parker/Spider-Man, creating the foe who deserved a lot more than he was given by Marvel.

I've always felt that Spidey had too many stinkers in his gallery and was in need of characters like Venom and Carnage. He already had his Joker in the Green Goblin, and more powerful villains like Rhino and Electro, but he needed that character who could challenge him via his own modus operandi. Venom was that monstrous mirror image who could "out Spider-man" Peter Parker. The symbiote characters forced Spidey to be more creative than ever as he fought because his powers just weren't enough.


As much as I want to see Eddie's story done correctly, I'm really don't know what to expect from Marvel at this point. The GA expects Spider-man vs Green Goblin, so that's most likely a lock. Everything else is up in the air. I'm concerned that if we do get Venom, it will be the unremarkable Agent Venom. That story would be much easier to do, but still give viewers similar visuals.

 

[I'm Venom]

I've always felt that Spidey had too many stinkers in his gallery and was in need of characters like Venom and Carnage. He already had his Joker in the Green Goblin, and more powerful villains like Rhino and Electro, but he needed that character who could challenge him via his own modus operandi. Venom was that monstrous mirror image who could "out Spider-man" Peter Parker. The symbiote characters forced Spidey to be more creative than ever as he fought because his powers just weren't enough.

As much as I want to see Eddie's story done correctly, I'm really don't know what to expect from Marvel at this point. The GA expects Spider-man vs Green Goblin, so that's most likely a lock. Everything else is up in the air. I'm concerned that if we do get Venom, it will be the unremarkable Agent Venom. That story would be much easier to do, but still give viewers similar visuals.

Giving Flash the symbiote always seemed utterly pointless to me, I think the character they developed with Flash was interesting, but throwing Venom onto him seems like such a cheap tactic, like everything Marvel does anymore. They can replace Venom with a power suit, and nothing would change.

I'm sure by the time MCU Spidey 3 rolls around Brock will be Venom again in time for the movie.

 

[harryoscop]

@LEVITIKUZ So basically you want the Ultimate version of the Symbiote?

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Flash is better Venom than Eddie.