Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 2

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ya for me i am still game for either vulture or mysterio for head baddie in solo 2017. The question then of course is should they be the only villains in the film. Or should we add a secondary foe like a shocker for a minor role(ie like batroc in cap 2 or rhino in asm2). Then guys like kingpin/norman as background player.
 
And again, Shocker just like Spot, Molten Man and Hydroman, has cool abilitties, has potential for character development and stories yet they don't do anything with him.
:up: That is true, which is one of the points I was making in previous posts. Comic books writers don't appear to give much thought & care to the less popular characters as they "occasionally" do the more popular ones...hence, bad characterizations & usage.



Also, I fail to understand why people think some of these characters we have been discussing, would not work in any capacity on film??? Even worse, to suggest make them better in the comics 1st, before using the character on film??? What sense do that make, a writer don't have time to wait for the comics to make a character viable, if that writer have a viable use for character, in the overall scheme of a story.

As for Spot...I know some of you think the adaptation of this character is not worthy of gracing the silver screen...I sincerely disagree & think some may need to think outside the box, use your imagination a little, and possibly acquire a little more understanding of the character, and potential this character brings.

I honestly see a mature, viable use for this character in the upcoming film; that truly fits with what Marvel have been doing and the universe it has been building. Now, I will not give any examples why I would include Spot, in Marvel's 1st rendering of Spiderman; simply because, I'm in the process of writing a treatment, for all the villains I suggest, I would do for the new, 1st film. Imo, Spot has potential to "add" or push, a series of films moving forward.
 
You know I will say one thing in defense of Vulture, out of the B-list Spidey villains, he is the one who seems get the most character focused stories, he was given a motive and a back story that explained why he was a criminal, he has been given the occasional story that humanizes him and occasionally gets stories that do show cases his intelligence. The problem is there is no real plan the character, so his overall characterization seems to go all over the place, sometimes his intelligence is not presented well in some stories and he seems to use the same smash and grab tactics the dumber villains use. Its also hard to make a 70 year old man in a bird suit cinematic.

Then again, frankly Dr. Octopus is an A list villain and his characterization is all over the place too, so I think its a just a common problem with comic book super villains.

Frankly that's why we shouldn't bother with a absolute "true in the comics" version of some of these villains, because there is true to the comics version, each writer writes the character in different way, you have to pick and choose the best elements from every story the character has appeared in and add some new stuff as needed, then you have the best of version of that character.

I will say one thing, I think Mysterio is a far cinematic villain then Vulture and with some tweeking Mysterio could be an epic street level villain. I also think since Mysterio barely has a personality in the comics, he is far more of blank canvass, you can take in more different directions, because he is not well defined in the comics at all, Vulture is at least a little defined in the comics. I think with Vulture to be the Big Bad of the film, I think they would have to upgrade his abilities, write him as more actively intelligent (not another guy who robs banks and uses smash and grab tactics, give him a plan that is cinematic) and pair him with a more physical villain, like Scorpion.

You could make Vulture the Big Bad, but he does need a lot of work to be cinematic. Mysterio is more of a natural cinematic Big BAD, IMO.
 
Vulture not worthy of being a big bad if he need a lot of work to be cinematic. Great villain not need loads of work to be good in a movie.
 
Vulture not worthy of being a big bad if he need a lot of work to be cinematic. Great villain not need loads of work to be good in a movie.

He's not my first choice. Maybe I am overemphasizing how much revamping he would need to be a suitable Big Bad, but I think there is some work that is needed for him to fill that role. In the comics, I have seen the potential for him to a good villain, but I don't think the writers have weaved together all the threads that could make him consistently compelling. The fact that his gimmick always seemed redundant with Green Goblin and Hobgoblin around in the comics, doesn't help.
 
Vulture not worthy of being a big bad if he need a lot of work to be cinematic. Great villain not need loads of work to be good in a movie.

Winter Soldier & Bane was not & never was "Great Villains"

They became great villains because of their use in their perspective films.
 
Hardy's Bane is still super-debatable....

EDIT: saw what you posted..

thought you were praising Bane... (he was terrible)

Wintersoldier wasn't the movies villain and I don't think he's treated like the villain either... just a mysterious character. Hydra was the real villain of WS.
 
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Winter Soldier & Bane was not & never was "Great Villains"

They became great villains because of their use in their perspective films.

You are wrong. They both great villains especially Bane because he figure out Batman identity and break his back then take over Gotham city in comics.
 
You are wrong. They both great villains especially Bane because he figure out Batman identity and break his back then take over Gotham city in comics.

he's talking about the movies....

Nolan's bane was crap compared to comic bane.
 
he's talking about the movies....

Nolan's bane was crap compared to comic bane.

I know he talking about movies. He say the became great because of the movies. He is wrong. They already great villains, not just because of movies.

Nolan Bane was great. But was so was comic Bane.
 
Bane was crap in the comic...he is only known for his one deed, like Doomsday is only known for his one deed.
 
Bane was crap in the comic...he is only known for his one deed, like Doomsday is only known for his one deed.

Disagreed. That just the most famous thing Bane done. It more famous than things most Spider-Man villains have done except Dr Octopus and Green Goblin. That not make them all crap because they not known for anything famous deed. You still wrong.
 
Bane was crap in the comic...he is only known for his one deed, like Doomsday is only known for his one deed.

to be fair.. until the last 10-15 years.. that's also what the Green Goblin was known for... the deeds are usually what cement the villain. They all have their defining moments....

-Ock killed captain stacy and betty brants brother

-Norman killed Gwen

-Venom is known for breaking into Peter and MJ's house and terrorizing MJ

-Chameleon is best known for faking the bringing back of Peter's parents

-Vulture doesn't have a whole lot of big ones, but killing Nathan was a big one for him

-Mysterio's best story is killing himself and basically killing Karen Page



hell joker wouldn't be the same joker he is known for today if he didn't beat jason todd to death and cripple barbera....


some just get that one moment to shine unfortunately. but it doesn't lessen them compare to villains who never really got a moment. If a villain appears who directly impacts a hero.. and is known for it. that's always a good thing.
 
He do more harm to Batman than Venom ever do to Spider-Man lol.

while i do agree with you that, that bane story was good.... Morlun killed Spider-Man and he's still hardly a fan favorite.. nor is he a "great" or popular villain..and he's the only villain to actually kill him (well first, if you count ock's body swap)
 
while i do agree with you that, that bane story was good.... Morlun killed Spider-Man and he's still hardly a fan favorite.. nor is he a "great" or popular villain..and he's the only villain to actually kill him (well first, if you count ock's body swap)

Morlun did that in terrible story though. Nobody likes the Other. It also not really made a big deal of it after it happen. It happen in one issue and then next issue Spider-Man have a weird rebirth in spider cocoon and comes back with stingers in his arms and all lol.

I don't think they ever mention the Other again. It like Sins past. Ignored by writers because fans not like them. If Morlun did it in a good story that make a big deal of it then it probably make him more popular.
 
God I do not want to see murlon or any of the crazy mystical totem stuff for spidey. I prefer spidey science based the magic based.
 
First movie: Venom

Sequel: Sinister Six (Ock, Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker, Mysterio, Kraven). Have Spidey turn to the Venom symbiote to successfully take on the SS, but have Kraven kill him in the end.

Threequel: Goblin/Carnage. Teamup with Brock.
 
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Totally you have to set up the symbiote is it space is it earth made. Then you have to set up brock and his spidey hate. You got to have symbiote spidey for a bit. Then he gets rid of it and leads to eddie getting it and all that. Plus venom really wouldn't work with the whole whole smaller scale story and hs and peter angle they want to play off.
 
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