Captain Marvel Who should be the Villain

[haephestus]

Interesting... I'm curious, where is that from?

Sorry, I was just throwing ideas around. There needs to be a central conflict between Mar-Vell (and Carol Danvers) and Yon-Rogg and something to do with Kree genetic experimentation on humans would be useful in tying this film to the Inhumans, making some connections with what appears to be happening on SHIELD and could also be a possible explanation for how Carol Danvers' gains superpowers.

If they really wanted to go bold, I guess they could have Yon-Rogg planning on releasing some kind of poisonous gas to kill all humans, including those with Kree genetic markers (or whatever the appropriate term would be), but Mar-Vell instead releases his "working formula" for such genetic manipulation (which is nearly identical to the Terrigen Mists) which results in various humans throughout the world, including Carol Danvers, gaining superpowers. That might be an easy way to include "mutants" in the Marvel cinematic universe without actually using any of the mutant characters.

 

[Silvermoth]

Who would be a great doctor Minerva then? Catherine zeta jones? I was hoping she could play madame masque but I could see her as Minerva.

It'll be funny if out of Emily blunt and jessica Chastain whoever gets the top job, the other plays Minerva

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Who would be a great doctor Minerva then? Catherine zeta jones? I was hoping she could play madame masque but I could see her as Minerva.

It'll be funny if out of Emily blunt and jessica Chastain whoever gets the top job, the other plays Minerva

What has Uma been up to lately? An alien villain would be a good fit for her.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah that would be intriguing.

I guess she may not want to do another comic book film after batman and robin

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah that would be intriguing.

I guess she may not want to do another comic book film after batman and robin

That's always going to be the problem with wanting her in a MCU or DCCU film. But she's good with scenery chewing yet dramatic parts which are the bread and butter of CBMs.

 

[cph9fa]

Sorry, I was just throwing ideas around. There needs to be a central conflict between Mar-Vell (and Carol Danvers) and Yon-Rogg and something to do with Kree genetic experimentation on humans would be useful in tying this film to the Inhumans, making some connections with what appears to be happening on SHIELD and could also be a possible explanation for how Carol Danvers' gains superpowers.

Ah! No problem, I just misunderstood. Sorry! Yeah, that could work.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think you some of us are really grasping when it comes to things like The Brood and Deathbird. If Marvel didn't spring to get Galactus and Surfer back, then they're not going to make any moves to get these guys, especially when Carol as the Kree, the Skrull, Moonstone and others she can battle. Enough for a trilogy at least.

Should someone start a thread for casting Yon-Rogg? Because I have a suggestion: Mel Gibson.

Yes please.

If he weren't so powerful, we could've had Korvac. However he singlehandedly killed off nearly all the Avengers and GOTG together. He would have to be seriously depowered for Carol to even stand a chance.

I actually think she needs a villain who absolutely dwarfs her, or seems to until we find out the full extent of her energy absorption powers. It'd be a cool way to make Binary.

Korvac makes more sense as a future Avengers villain to me.

Y'know... I can't really see a whole Avengers movie devoted to Korvac. His story is such that he is the main character, and the heroes become observers and case solvers in his journey... it doesn't really open up much in terms of theme and mass crossover action. Most of the Korvac Saga is in space following him after all.

But if Carol ends up playing the role of Carina, interesting things begin to happen.

So with that thought exercise, here's one take on things:

Captain Marvel - Yon-Rogg (Mel Gibson) and the Kree
Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion - Veranke (Charlize Theron) and the Skrull
Captain Marvel: The Kree-Skrull War - Michael Korvac (Jake Gyllenhaal) and the Kree-Skrull War

 

[Dark Raven]

What has Uma been up to lately? An alien villain would be a good fit for her.

She seems like she could've been good as Karla Sofen/ Moonstone.

I actually think she needs a villain who absolutely dwarfs her, or seems to until we find out the full extent of her energy absorption powers. It'd be a cool way to make Binary.

Maybe Marvel will do what they did with Ant-Man and Yellowjacket, and make Binary a separate character and the villain.

Y'know... I can't really see a whole Avengers movie devoted to Korvac. His story is such that he is the main character, and the heroes become observers and case solvers in his journey... it doesn't really open up much in terms of theme and mass crossover action. Most of the Korvac Saga is in space following him after all.

But if Carol ends up playing the role of Carina, interesting things begin to happen.

So with that thought exercise, here's one take on things:

Captain Marvel - Yon-Rogg (Mel Gibson) and the Kree
Captain Marvel: Secret Invasion - Veranke (Charlize Theron) and the Skrull
Captain Marvel: The Kree-Skrull War - Michael Korvac (Jake Gyllenhaal) and the Kree-Skrull War

Korvac didn't feature that much in the Korvac saga compared to the Avengers, for someone who is supposedly the main character. And not all of the Korvac saga was in space. In fact, most of it was on earth. The only real time the Avengers were in space were when they met up with the Guardians at the start, and then when they were captured by the Collector. Certainly the final battle ("the Hope and the Slaughter") and the issues leading up to it were earthbound.

And I don't want Carol taking the place of Carina. That sounds too reminiscent of Carol ending up with Marcus, the son of Immortus. Don't want anything remotely like that in the movies.

 

[Dasher10]

I'd rather do Yon-Rogg as the villain for the first film just to kill off Mahr which not only sets up Carol to become Captain Marvel but also sets up Photon and Quasar for the Guardians of the Galaxy since Mahr did have kids. I feel like "The Death of Captain Marvel" is one of Marvel's best stories, Yon-Rogg's connection to Carol only works if he's the villain in the origin, otherwise it's a missed opportunity to use a great antagonist.

The sequel should definitely be Moonstone since she's Carol's arch enemy. War of the Marvels is Carol's most popular storyline. This needs to happen in Phase 4.

As for the villain for part 3, that's where things get a bit weird. Cru, Doomsday Man, Ghazi Rashid and if Marvel owns the rights, Deathbird or the Brood are all options. Carol has a small rogues gallery but her villains are usually quality.

 

[Havok83]

I feel like her first film should be a space adventure especially with Marvel on a cosmic high in Phase 3, that it would fit perfectly. Her second film, if she gets one can be more grounded and on Earth and Moonstone would be more appropriate for that. Karla could be introduced in the first one as a civilian and the end credits could show her powered up. I don't think she's that strong a villain though that she could carry the film as the only antagonist so she'd be best to be paired with someone else

 

[DrCosmic]

Maybe Marvel will do what they did with Ant-Man and Yellowjacket, and make Binary a separate character and the villain.

That is a possibility, lol.

Korvac didn't feature that much in the Korvac saga compared to the Avengers, for someone who is supposedly the main character. And not all of the Korvac saga was in space. In fact, most of it was on earth. The only real time the Avengers were in space were when they met up with the Guardians at the start, and then when they were captured by the Collector. Certainly the final battle ("the Hope and the Slaughter") and the issues leading up to it were earthbound.

And I don't want Carol taking the place of Carina. That sounds too reminiscent of Carol ending up with Marcus, the son of Immortus. Don't want anything remotely like that in the movies.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with them doing the Marcus story except Carol retains all of her agency, or a Civil War storyline where Tony doesn't come totally out of character. There's very specific parts of the stories I don't like, and if those parts are changed, I'm totally down.

I stand corrected about 'screentime' but it's pretty weird to make Korvac's love, which drives the story, personal for all the Avengers the way Loki's wanting to rule the earth or Ultron's problem with free will gets personal for everyone. It's exactly like trying to market 'Romeo and Juliet' to a bunch of The Capulets fans who now Juliet is not one of the Capulets until R&J comes out. Unless... Korvac just starts taking everyone's love interest... that could be interesting. If it's not something drastic like that, he'd be better used in a solo film where his storyline has emotional relevance to the title characters.

 

[Dark Raven]

That is a possibility, lol.



Yeah, I don't have a problem with them doing the Marcus story except Carol retains all of her agency, or a Civil War storyline where Tony doesn't come totally out of character. There's very specific parts of the stories I don't like, and if those parts are changed, I'm totally down.

I stand corrected about 'screentime' but it's pretty weird to make Korvac's love, which drives the story, personal for all the Avengers the way Loki's wanting to rule the earth or Ultron's problem with free will gets personal for everyone. It's exactly like trying to market 'Romeo and Juliet' to a bunch of The Capulets fans who now Juliet is not one of the Capulets until R&J comes out. Unless... Korvac just starts taking everyone's love interest... that could be interesting. If it's not something drastic like that, he'd be better used in a solo film where his storyline has emotional relevance to the title characters.

Korvac's love for Carina didn't drive the story. It was part of it, but it wasn't the motivating factor and was pretty much there a) to show that he was with the Collector's daughter; and b) so that Carina was on hand at the end to continue the battle when Korvac was dead after having already slaughtered all the Avengers and Guardians but 4.

If there is a "love" that Korvac had, it was his "love" for humankind and for the universe. He wanted to "rule" kindly over earth because he somehow deluded himself into thinking he could be some kind of protector who could keep it safe from the being known as Eternity. Moondragon saw this which is why she was crying at the end. His wish to rule over the earth is pretty much the same kind of motivation as Loki, and that's personal enough for the Avengers and Guardians as a combined team because none of them wished to be under his rule.

The reason the Avengers and the Guardians managed to "beat" Korvac wasn't because they were more powerful than him but because he effectively gave up the will to live when he realised how much the Avengers and Guardians did not want to be subject to him. Carina, seeing him dead, was enraged and took on his fight as a fresh opponent when Iron Man, Vision, Thor and Starhawk were worn out and battle weary from barely surviving against Korvac.

So I don't see that Carol could really take Carina's place. First off, that would have to put her in a rather villainous role at the end and to also sympathise with Korvac's wish to rule the earth, and second, Carol isn't the daughter of some powerful elder. Carina was, and Korvac was partly romancing her to screw with the Collector. And if Carol doesn't actively sympathise with Korvac but is somehow forced into the relationship by him, then that's going into Marcus/Immortus territory, which has since been regarded as extremely controversial.

Carina (as played by Ophelia Lovibond) died in GOTG when she tried to grab the Infinity Stone.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah NO! The Marcus storyline needs to stay right where it is, gone and very rarely mentioned. It NEVER needs to be done again in ANY capacity whatsoever.

 

[0siris]

I believe GotG2, Avengers Infinity Wars 1, Captain Marvel, Inhumans, and Avengers Infinit Wars 2 will be one long Five Act story, so the villain will be connected to Thanos in some way. Captain Marvel and Inhumans aren't going to be "standalone" films the same way previous Marvel films were, and Ant-Man/Dr. Strange/Black Panther will likely be. I wasn't a big fan of the Hickman Thanos' crossover with Corpus Glave, Thanos' son, and the Celestials ripoffs, but the way things are setting up it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel Studios is mashing it with Infinity Gauntlet. Inhumans prior to Part II is curious.

 

[Dark Raven]

I believe GotG2, Avengers Infinity Wars 1, Captain Marvel, Inhumans, and Avengers Infinit Wars 2 will be one long Five Act story, so the villain will be connected to Thanos in some way. Captain Marvel and Inhumans aren't going to be "standalone" films the same way previous Marvel films were, and Ant-Man/Dr. Strange/Black Panther will likely be. I wasn't a big fan of the Hickman Thanos' crossover with Corpus Glave, Thanos' son, and the Celestials ripoffs, but the way things are setting up it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel Studios is mashing it with Infinity Gauntlet. Inhumans prior to Part II is curious.

I would agree with you there. I think it will be like the final 6 episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine where there was one long arc but not all episodes concentrated on the same aspects of the war. Each one was dedicated to a different part of the battle.

I think it could be something similar here, and would make Captain Marvel a must-see film.

I don't really see Moonstone fitting into this overall plot, certainly not as a main villain. I think the villain would have to be one of Thanos's minions or one of his allies, and Carol taking him/her down would be a key part in helping to win the war.

 

[BatsDC]

I'm expecting to see Moonstone.

I doubt they'll want it too tied to the Thanos story - I'd imagine they want Carol to be able to standalone, but still be a part of that universe. A link at the end, sure, but I'd rather this be mainly away from that storyline - or set just before.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Moonstone is the Captain Marvel villain I'm most familiar with. Not from her actual fights with Captain Marvel, but from her stint in the original Thunderbolts comic back in the late 90s where she was totally badass. I'd be happy with her as the villain in the film.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm familiar with her as a Hulk villain and an Avengers villain as part of the Masters of Evil.

This is the costume I liked:

The crested helmet gave her a unique look which I feel was taken away from her later on.

 

[Silvermoth]

^ is that moonstone? She looks fantastic!

 

[MbJ]

Moonstone could be cool as someone who is given powers to combat Captain Marvel. Maybe by Yon-Rogg.

 

[flickchick85]

I think it would be easy to give Yon-Rogg ties to Thanos since Ronan was a (rogue) Kree who recently betrayed the Mad Titan. Perhaps once Thanos has several Infinity Gems and the universe has been forced to finally take notice, Yon-Rogg strikes up a deal with Thanos to atone for Ronan on behalf of the Kree Empire to ensure that their people remain relatively safe/protected from the coming destruction. OR, if they wanna go the other way, Yon-Rogg and the Kree could be in a race against Thanos for one of the final Gems.

Either way, Ronan's dealings with Thanos would almost certainly put Thanos on the Kree's radar, despite Ronan having been considered a radical by the Empire. So Yon-Rogg's actions in this film would very likely have something to do with that, I'd imagine. I'm not opposed to Moonstone being included as well, but Yon-Rogg's gotta be in there, as he's the villain who started it all for Captain Marvel.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Radical thought... Una does a heel turn and blames Carol for Marv dying to protect Earth and is set up to be an enemy. Maybe Una becomes responsible for Sofen becoming Moonstone? A reverse of Carol's story where Sofen kills Una to gain possession of the stone?

 

[Silvermoth]

Do you guys think it might be fun to set carol and Karla up as best friends, elphaba and glinda style before setting her up as a villian for the next movie

 

[Havok83]

No. That would be a bit much. Id rather they not really know each other much

 

[DrCosmic]

Korvac's love for Carina didn't drive the story. It was part of it, but it wasn't the motivating factor and was pretty much there a) to show that he was with the Collector's daughter; and b) so that Carina was on hand at the end to continue the battle when Korvac was dead after having already slaughtered all the Avengers and Guardians but 4.

If there is a "love" that Korvac had, it was his "love" for humankind and for the universe. He wanted to "rule" kindly over earth because he somehow deluded himself into thinking he could be some kind of protector who could keep it safe from the being known as Eternity. Moondragon saw this which is why she was crying at the end. His wish to rule over the earth is pretty much the same kind of motivation as Loki, and that's personal enough for the Avengers and Guardians as a combined team because none of them wished to be under his rule.

The reason the Avengers and the Guardians managed to "beat" Korvac wasn't because they were more powerful than him but because he effectively gave up the will to live when he realised how much the Avengers and Guardians did not want to be subject to him. Carina, seeing him dead, was enraged and took on his fight as a fresh opponent when Iron Man, Vision, Thor and Starhawk were worn out and battle weary from barely surviving against Korvac.

So I don't see that Carol could really take Carina's place. First off, that would have to put her in a rather villainous role at the end and to also sympathise with Korvac's wish to rule the earth, and second, Carol isn't the daughter of some powerful elder. Carina was, and Korvac was partly romancing her to screw with the Collector. And if Carol doesn't actively sympathise with Korvac but is somehow forced into the relationship by him, then that's going into Marcus/Immortus territory, which has since been regarded as extremely controversial.

Carina (as played by Ophelia Lovibond) died in GOTG when she tried to grab the Infinity Stone.

Consider me schooled. I was thinking more like the Corrina character from the Korvac episode of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Sympathizing with the villain and/or wanting to redeem him is not a villainous role though. Sympathizing with someone who wants to make the world a better/safer place definitely isn't, it only becomes questionable after you see that they're willing to 'go too far' and whatever.

Speaking of Korvac's nature, if Korvac wanted to rule the Earth... why was he just chilling in a house in Queens with Carina like he was John Q. Everyman? And if Korvac was heartbroken that the Avengers didn't want to follow him, then why wasn't he heartbroken after he had to kill a bunch of them? Also, if that was the reason he was heartbroken, why does Wikipedia say he killed himself because Carina doubted him? That little note was kinda the basis for my understanding that his relationship with Carina was what proved to be his downfall. Also the whole Romeo and Juliet ripoff ending.

And more on the topic of where he fits better as a bad guy, Loki made it personal for the Avengers by attacking them in their home, by killing Coulson. Korvac could do the same by killing Avengers like he did in the books... but then you are like maxing out that fake-death Credit Card. I'm not entirely sure that's the best idea.