Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version)

[Oscorp]

That's very true actually. And it's sad there isn't that many good movie fitting villains left

even the better villains of Spider-man are designed very much for short episodic adventures (mostly the ones that haven't been used yet I mean). I mean, what is the movie gonna be? MacGargan becomes scorpion, Spider-man loses the first battle, wins the second one. nothing is changed, status quo continues as the same, and it just becomes another stale 300 million dollar Spidey adventure that might've been much better & more focused as a tv series episode

a Spider-man movie needs a very qualified writer that can add a lot of layers to villains that aren't that deep in the source material to begin with.

That sounds a little pessimistic! :P

As I said, I don't think Spider-Man really needs a villain of Joker's caliber (even though that would be great). There are lots of great villains, Joker just happens to be the #1 (even though I prefer Magneto, to be honest). I mean, Batman fares well with his lesser villains. I'd personally for example rank Kraven above Bane.

Marvel Studios have made great films without Joker tier villains. That goes for every studio.

I think of the ones who haven't been used yet, Kingpin, Kraven, Mysterio and perhaps Vulture could all be great villains, especially Kingpin. The others can be great if the writers just up the ante a bit, and they don't even need to change much (just add a little). Not to mention that there's now been more than 10 years since we've seen Doc Ock. I'm all for him to return.

Marvel Studios have made films that truly are all about the heroes and that concept has worked great so far with only a few exceptions.

 

[JOE]

I'm going to go ahead and say this even though it's a very unpopular opinion. I still think SM2 is the best of all 5, and Doc Ock was the best villain, but I don't consider him a great villain. (Molina's Ock, not the character in general) I only consider him the best of the 9 villains due to a poor overall draft and I feel as if he's incredibly overrated.

 

[Oscorp]

I'm going to go ahead and say this even though it's a very unpopular opinion. I still think SM2 is the best of all 5, and Doc Ock was the best villain, but I don't consider him a great villain. (Molina's Ock, not the character in general) I only consider him the best of the 9 villains due to a poor overall draft and I feel as if he's incredibly overrated.

That makes us two.

He's well written and Molina is perfect, but I always feel there's something off. My biggest gripe is probably him being manipulated by the mechanical arms, and his forced redemption at the end.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

That sounds a little pessimistic! :P

As I said, I don't think Spider-Man really needs a villain of Joker's caliber (even though that would be great). There are lots of great villains, Joker just happens to be the #1 (even though I prefer Magneto, to be honest). I mean, Batman fares well with his lesser villains. I'd personally for example rank Kraven above Bane.

Marvel Studios have made great films without Joker tier villains. That goes for every studio.

I think of the ones who haven't been used yet, Kingpin, Kraven, Mysterio and perhaps Vulture could all be great villains, especially Kingpin. The others can be great if the writers just up the ante a bit, and they don't even need to change much (just add a little). Not to mention that there's now been more than 10 years since we've seen Doc Ock. I'm all for him to return.

Marvel Studios have made films that truly are all about the heroes and that concept has worked great so far with only a few exceptions.

The great Spider-man stories are usually the ones that are personal and downplayed. Kraven's Last Hunt for example wont ever be a movie cause it doesn't have a very cinematic scale. It has a lot of sewers, dialogue scenes inside apartments, a LOT of inner dialogue and so on. My point is, the writers really need to come up with stuff that can't be found in the source material unless they embrace the spirit of the comics and the movies become something like what you see at movie festivals. which of course is not gonna be Marvel Studio's or Sony's intent

 

[JOE]

That makes us two.

He's well written and Molina is perfect, but I always feel there's something off. My biggest gripe is probably him being manipulated by the mechanical arms, and his forced redemption at the end.

"Nothing will stand in our way, NOTHING!" That was the line that did it for me.

You're definitely right about the manipulation, it was way too convenient. I much would have rather had him become evil himself due to the loss of his wife. Would have done more for the character. Also, he saw that he miscalculated and that's what caused the accident, "I couldn't have miscalculated, it was working, right?" more conveniences.

 

[Oscorp]

"Nothing will stand in our way, NOTHING!" That was the line that did it for me.

You're definitely right about the manipulation, it was way too convenient. I much would have rather had him become evil himself due to the loss of his wife. Would have done more for the character. Also, he saw that he miscalculated and that's what caused the accident, "I couldn't have miscalculated, it was working, right?" more conveniences.

Yeah I totally agree. His design is cool, the action is awesome and Molina is perfect in the role, but there have been several other CBM villains who've been more interesting and enjoyable to me.

They could've as well gone with the brain injury stuff from the comics and it would've been so much better if you ask me. The arms "talking" to him is way over the top. I just imagine that it's all in his own brain in a schizophrenic way (which perhaps is the intention), but it's still silly.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Please explain how he is like Spider-Man's Joker. All Carnage does is go around slaughtering people in cold blood for fun. He is even more shallow than Venom. He is as one dimensional as they come. There is no diversity to the character. He's more akin to Zsasz than he is to the Joker. The Joker has bags of layers and diversity to him. Carnage is just one note killing machine. Look at his most famous story, Maximum Carnage. 12 straight issues of him and his psycho gangs going around NY just randomly kill people. There's no story there.

It was funny how the 90's cartoon had to tone him down into a life energy drainer. No slaughter on a Saturday morning kids cartoon.

By saying that I meant that he has no agenda other than to cause chaos. He doesn't want money and power, he just wants to drive the world as mad as he is. This has never really been properly dwelled upon in the comics, but I think it would work very well in a movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm pretty sure the Green Goblin is seen as "Spider-Man's Joker."

He is.

 

[combocaz]

I would like to see Kingpin.

 

[JOE]

He is.

As long as the term "Joker" is used to compare the peak of Spider-Man's villains in respect to the peak of Batman's.

 

[CaptainWagner]

As long as the term "Joker" is used to compare the peak of Spider-Man's villains in respect to the peak of Batman's.

Yeah, in that case, then Norman would be the one. But that's not what I was referring to, I was referencing role/motivation.

 

[Frodo]

That makes us two.

He's well written and Molina is perfect, but I always feel there's something off. My biggest gripe is probably him being manipulated by the mechanical arms, and his forced redemption at the end.

That makes three then. He was the best antagonist but I prefer Ock actually being a bad guy. The original Spiderman 2 script had Ock, Lizard, and Black Cat in it , and I suspect that once they jettisoned the other villains, alot of Lizard/ Kurt Connors, characterization went to Molina's Doc Ock. It worked well for the film and the story , and its still one of the best films in the genre, so I think they made the right call back then. That said, I would like to see a more villainous Doc Ock and not a guy looking for redemption, in the MCU.

 

[The Joker]

Which begs me the question...would you say Sandman was the main villain of Spider-Man 3? Did he work well?

Coming to think of it, I don't think any villain was a main villain in SM3. I enjoyed Sandman though, at least when he didn't turn into a goofy giant.

No I don't think Sandman was the main villain. I don't think Spider-Man 3 had one. None of the three were the main driving force of villainy. If anything the symbiote could be considered the main villain with all the drama it caused in Peter's life.

I'm going to go ahead and say this even though it's a very unpopular opinion. I still think SM2 is the best of all 5, and Doc Ock was the best villain, but I don't consider him a great villain. (Molina's Ock, not the character in general) I only consider him the best of the 9 villains due to a poor overall draft and I feel as if he's incredibly overrated.

I think he's a great villain, even with the changes to the character, he still stands as a compelling deep character. His arc was a great mirror to Peter's in the movie. Peter lost his way and thought he could abandon the responsibility of being Spider-Man for a normal life. Peter is being irresponsible by giving up the responsibility of being Spider-Man so he can live his dream of a normal life. Otto is being irresponsible by doing evil things in order to make his dream happen. By the end of the movie they both come full circle and accept responsibility for their actions and who they are.

Raimi knew how to do a great villain, and one who actually played well into the movie's theme and hero's journey. There was more than enough Doc Ock-isms from the comics to still keep him feeling like Doc Ock:

http://molinaock.blogspot.ie/

There's a high standard to beat here for the Spidey movie villains. And over 10 years later he still has not been close to being topped. When they inevitably do Doc Ock again I do hope they go more with the comic book megalomaniac Scientist villain Ock.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Scorpion,the suit could be made from stolen Stark tech,and made from Vibranium (Black Panther).
Just replace The Sin Eater with Scorpion.Instead of Daredevil helping spidey,maybe Black Panther and Iron Man does instead since this mysterious character stole from them.

 

[I'm Batman.]

I think Vulture would be good for the first movie.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Marvel themselves can't even sustain Venom as that. That's why the symbiote has been passed off from pillar to post. Flash Thompson of all people is Venom now. Venom is a gimmicky character, and the movies can do just fine without his overrated shallow presence.

There's no such thing as "gimmicky characters," there's just bad writing. Batman is a character beloved by fans, but written by an idiot the result was "Batman & Robin." A good movie could've easily been made out of Spider-Man vs. Venom, but they wasted that for Spider-Man 3. Break out the symbiote and let someone else get a chance at Venom. There's a great movie to be made there, since the movies are little but eye-candy anyway.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There's no such thing as "gimmicky characters," there's just bad writing. Batman is a character beloved by fans, but written by an idiot the result was "Batman & Robin". A good movie could've easily been made out of Spider-Man vs. Venom, but they wasted that for Spider-Man 3. Break out the symbiote and let someone else get a chance at Venom. There's a great movie to be made there, since the movies are little but eye-candy anyway.

I'm going to very disappointed if the new movie is 'little but eye candy.'

 

[I'm Batman.]

I'm going to very disappointed if the new movie is 'little but eye candy.'

Solution?

Go watch The Good Wife.

 

[Spider2099]

I think Vulture would be good for the first movie.

I've been dying to see Vulture on screen for a long time now. Would be nice to get some cool aerial battles.

 

[The Joker]

There's no such thing as "gimmicky characters," there's just bad writing. Batman is a character beloved by fans, but written by an idiot the result was "Batman & Robin." A good movie could've easily been made out of Spider-Man vs. Venom, but they wasted that for Spider-Man 3. Break out the symbiote and let someone else get a chance at Venom. There's a great movie to be made there, since the movies are little but eye-candy anyway.

Apples and oranges. Batman had already got decades of established material that he was a brilliant character. Batman and Robin just made a balls of it. Like TASM 2 made a balls of Spider-Man. Like any bad comic book movie makes a mess of characters we know are great. Venom has been a weak character since his inception and has not changed, just gotten worse. So it's not a case of a great character who has been mishandled once or twice.

 

[Morbius]

Joker, this is the second time you mention fruit. You're hungry.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Apples and oranges. Batman had already got decades of established material that he was a brilliant character. Batman and Robin just made a balls of it. Like TASM 2 made a balls of Spider-Man. Like any bad comic book movie makes a mess of characters we know are great. Venom has been a weak character since his inception and has not changed, just gotten worse. So it's not a case of a great character who has been mishandled once or twice.

He was shoehorned into the last 20 minutes of a movie that was, coincidentally, about 20 minutes too long. I'd rather the movie have ended with a cliffhanger of Brock becoming Venom

 

[Knight_SV]

My vote goes for mysterio.
I hope marvel will later use norman osborn not just as spidey's enemy but as entire MCU enemy if they want to adapted dark reign storyline

 

[BatsDC]

Having thought it over some more, I'd actually like The Enforcers to be the villains - but reimagined, ala Spectacular Spider-Man. They would be hired by Tombstone to stop Spider-Man from ruining his plans, and be led by Shocker, whose suit and gauntlets are developed by Oscorp - Norman having partnered with Tombstone. The other two enforcers could suit up as well, but Shocker could be a strong enough threat solo for the first movie.

 

[flickchick85]

I thought I was an odd duck hoping for Mysterio, so imagine my surprise when I see he's winning the poll by a landslide, haha. I've been dying to see this character in live-action for over 20 years now. It's time!