Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version)

[Morbius]

Seriously it isn't that hard giving him believable motives and it isn't a 'total rewrite' like you are saying

He just doesn't understand how films work. You can recreate any character whatever way you like. Doc Ock was controlled by mechanical arms to get Tritium, and that wasn't the case in the comics at all. That was his motivation - to finish a science project. And it worked just fine.

They can do anything they like with Venom to make him work. And it'll work just fine if written well. And he'll look cool.

It's all good.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Perfect
But the Symbiote's introduction should be believable, not the-only-Superhero-in-town-making-out-with-my-gf-and-a-meteor-managed-to-land-just-there type intoduction

In an ideal world, it would be after Infinity War that Spider-Man brings it back.

 

[The Joker]

I like Joker, but there isn't more to him than killing people for no reason. Oh well, an overrated villain for an overrated super hero.

That is not even an opinion. That is just factually wrong. And if you want me to start listing the hundreds of comics which prove it then just say the word because I'm guessing you've never actually read Joker based on that remark. In fact it doesn't even sound like you've seen anything of the character at all because not even the cartoons or movies portray him like that.

So you must only know the character by name. Your second comment is just funny.

We don't need a complete rewrite, I gave TSSM's example, they gave him believable motives all the while staying true to his basic personality, its no more different than what they did with say Bane in TDKR. Just give valid reasons on why he hates Peter/Spidey

Bane in TDKR had the same basic back story as the comics. He was born and raised in a hellish prison. He came to hate Batman by reputation. He went to Gotham and he broke him. There's even the Bane/Ra's Al Ghul/Talia connection in the comics. Check out a story called Batman Legacy. Nolan didn't reinvent the wheel with the character here.

TSSM was Ultimate Spider-Man "Hey bro" back story, Eddie basically wants Peter dead because he loses a college course because of him. That is not a great motive. TSSM like the 90's cartoon and Spider-Man 3 did one thing better than the comics; it gave Peter and Eddie an actual connection before becoming enemies. They were not total strangers who never met. Other than that it was far from being a great motive for a murderous feud.

That's the thing with Venom,he is not one-dimensional evil, he doesn't have to be complete anger, he is kind of a sadist/prankster, pissing Spidey off, scaring him and playing mind games. He is a complete anti-spidey

Venom's whole motive is to kill Spider-Man. The fact that he likes to torment him while trying to achieve this doesn't make him a multi layered character.

TSSM's Venom and the Venom in Spider-man 1 PS1 game is what I have in mind

Kidnapping MJ and making Spidey run through endless sewers to find her? Very deep.

We have already seen Goblin 3 times and Ock once, we have seen Lizard too so we have enough of mad-scientist going Villain

Mysterio, Kraven, Sandman, Vulture, Scorpion, Kingpin.....and many more non scientist/Goblin villains. We don't need to see a badly written one dimensional character just because they've done the Goblins and mad scientist villains several times.

Spidey's rogues gallery has plenty of others to choose from.

Goblin's ship/Gwen's death has already gone past, and you don't really wanna see Doc Ock stealing Peter's body in a movie, we are still far off from MJ being pregnant, Stacy's death has already been done

Two things:

1. These are just examples of how prominent and strong these villains are. I was not listing them as must have plot points in the movies. The Joker didn't need to cripple Batgirl or kill Robin to be awesome in TDK did he.

2. Gwen's death can and should be done again in the new movies at some point since TASM 2 made a total balls up of it.

You don't get the point, we shouldnt debate on who is the ultimate Spider-man villain, we need to see who we can put on the big screen without being repeatitive and Kingpin,Kraven,Shocker,Mysterio and Venom top the list for me, the former 4 can be used in the first movie while Venom ill be in the sequels

It's not a debate about who is the ultimate Spider-Man villain, it's a debate about who is a weak Spider-Man villain and Venom is weak. What I was saying is it's ridiculous that he gets ranked along side Goblin and Ock when he doesn't deserve it for the aforementioned reasons.

He's a shallow gimmick villain. The others at least earned their A-list status. This recent article summed it up nicely: http://oneofus.net/2015/01/the-most-overrated-comic-book-characters/

Seriously it isn't that hard giving him believable motives and it isn't a 'total rewrite' like you are saying

Yes it is. Rewriting his motives, and then rewriting him into a credible villain who isn't just a lame stalker (or someone who plays anti-hero) is giving the character a whole new facelift.

He just doesn't understand how films work. You can recreate any character whatever way you like. Doc Ock was controlled by mechanical arms to get Tritium, and that wasn't the case in the comics at all. That was his motivation - to finish a science project. And it worked just fine.

Tsk tsk the trolls colors are starting to show. Doc Ock has never tried to finish a Science experiment at any cost? You have read Doc Ock comics right? The only part you're right about is the arms influencing him to do it, but that didn't completely rewrite the character. That was just a substitute for radiation brain damage. The character was still very much Doc Ock like: http://molinaock.blogspot.ie/

 

[The Infernal]

I wonder in that case if they go with Herman Schultz or Montana (ala Spectacular Spider-Man).

I doubt it. That only ever happened in one cartoon as far as I know. No need to needlessly change things. Keep it classic imo.

 

[Mike Murdock]

In an ideal world, it would be after Infinity War that Spider-Man brings it back.

Yeah, while I'm not expecting Secret Wars any time soon (and think that story needs Dr. Doom at a minimum), Infinity Wars is at least a solid opportunity to do so as an homage to the original story - rather than mysterious object from space like everyone else seems to have to do it.

As for those bringing up Kingpin - I'd love the Kingpin to be a Spider-Man villain once more. However, I doubt they would do so. They've incorporated him so much into Daredevil that it would be like repeating something else. Otherwise, they would be destroying their connectivity if they don't follow in the same footsteps and use that established character. And that's assuming they can get Vincent D'Onofrio to be in their movie. It seems they can avoid all those issues by using Silvermane, Hammerhead, Tombstone, etc. instead.

 

[SyntaxError]

Personally, the primary reason I like Venom is because he looks great visually and would be amazing cinematically. And its also a very unique storyline, goes against the hackneyed mad scientist type villains we see way to often. Also the villain that invokes a lot of character development.

I want Mysterio as the villain of the first movie because he doesn't require much ground work and would be able to bring in some of PP's origins, backstory through his illusions. But characters like Vulture, Scorpion, Kingpin... in a cinematic sense, are second-rate.

 

[Morbius]

Doc Ock has never tried to finish a Science experiment at any cost?

Never said that - I said that locating a mineral while being controlled by his arms was his motive in the movie which certainly is not the case in the comics. He completely lacked autonomy in SM2 as a result of his arms, right until the end when he gained control over them. Not to say I didn't like it, but it was not Doc Ock from the comics. It was a version suited to tell a story on-screen. (And i'm sure Venom will be the same when he gets is debut, and hopefully it'll work)

His character was very much changed.

http://molinaock.blogspot.ie/

No ty, I already know your opinion

 

[LizardMan07]

That's a bit harsh, he's trying to give you some info on molinas ock.

 

[The Joker]

Never said that - I said that locating a mineral while being controlled by his arms was his motive in the movie which certainly is not
the case in the comics. His character was very much changed.

Semantics. That's like saying Gwen and Peter never dated in High School. Ock going after a scientific material to complete some experiment is something he very much has done in the comics. The fact that it's tritium in the movie doesn't make an iota of a difference.

No, I won't visit your little blog

Suit yourself.

 

[Morbius]

Not really - i'm simply stating, his character was very much changed for the movie and it worked. The same can easily be done for Venom. And refusing to click on your shameless plug isn't ignorance, I already know your opinion on the subject, why should I have to go to an external website just to hear more of you?

 

[Morbius]

That's a bit harsh, he's trying to give you some info on molinas ock.

Actually he's trying to give me HIS opinion on Molina's Ock, and calling me a troll when I don't agree with him.

 

[The Joker]

Not really - i'm simply stating, his character was very much changed for the movie and it worked. The same can easily be done for Venom. And refusing to click on your shameless plug isn't ignorance, I already know your opinion on the subject, why should I have to go to an external website just to hear more of you?

Yes really. It wasn't very much changed for the movie. Was there some changes? Of course. But the character wasn't rewritten into a whole different persona. If you read the blog you'd see the comic book evidence for yourself.

Shameless plug, you really do take it all personally don't you. You've not changed from the TASM 2 days.

Actually he's trying to give me HIS opinion on Molina's Ock, and calling me a troll when I don't agree with him.

No, I called you a troll because you had the gall to say I don't understand film.

 

[Morbius]

You've not changed from the TASM 2 days.

Missed you too

 

[Spider-Ock]

Hey Joker, how's the spider-verse saga? I loved the whole Superior Spider-Man arc but i have been collecting Spidey comics since then to read em in one whole go.

Also, what do you think of Snyder's Batman? I personally loved Joker's characterization in Death of the Family. I am behind in Zero Year and havent started Endgame yet.

 

[Morbius]

Hey Joker, how's the spider-verse saga? I loved the whole Superior Spider-Man arc but i have been collecting Spidey comics since then to read em in one whole go.

Also, what do you think of Snyder's Batman? I personally loved Joker's characterization in Death of the Family. I am behind in Zero Year and havent started Endgame yet.

Not to be rude, but let's keep this on topic - reboot Villains. I don't see Joker or Batman being in the upcoming MCU Spidey flick t:

 

[Doctor Octopus]

We don't need a complete rewrite, I gave TSSM's example, they gave him believable motives all the while staying true to his basic personality, its no more different than what they did with say Bane in TDKR. Just give valid reasons on why he hates Peter/Spidey

That's the thing with Venom,he is not one-dimensional evil, he doesn't have to be complete anger, he is kind of a sadist/prankster, pissing Spidey off, scaring him and playing mind games. He is a complete anti-spidey

TSSM's Venom and the Venom in Spider-man 1 PS1 game is what I have in mind

We have already seen Goblin 3 times and Ock once, we have seen Lizard too so we have enough of mad-scientist going Villain

I think they do need rewrite for Venom to be good character because comic Venom is so bad. When they ever going to give Venom good cause for wanting to kill Spider-Man. They need to spice that up and make interesting. When Green Goblin 2 Harry Osborn went after Spider-Man they did lots of twists and turns with that story. It one of best stories in Spider-Man.

With Venom one it the same old boring thing all the time. I rather see more Goblins, Dr Octopus, and Lizard than see Venom ever again. He a waste of time. I want interesting villains and Venom not interesting.

 

[The Joker]

Hey Joker, how's the spider-verse saga? I loved the whole Superior Spider-Man arc but i have been collecting Spidey comics since then to read em in one whole go.

I haven't ready any of it. I stopped reading ASM shortly after Peter came back because the stories were really weak. Dan Slott has lost his mojo. If word of mouth is anything to go by the Spider-verse stuff has been pretty bad.

Also, what do you think of Snyder's Batman? I personally loved Joker's characterization in Death of the Family. I am behind in Zero Year and havent started Endgame yet.

It's hit and miss for me. Court of Owls was great, Death of the Family was ok (a whole load of hype built up and when all was said and done nothing really happened). The latest arc with Joker is much more exciting so far.

 

[Morbius]

I certainly would rather see Goblin done right this time. So much wasted potential in TASM2

 

[Spider-Ock]

Not to be rude, but let's keep this on topic - reboot Villains. I don't see Joker or Batman being in the upcoming MCU Spidey flick t:

Doc Ock in Spidey's body COULD be in the reboot for all you know

 

[Morbius]

Doc Ock in Spidey's body COULD be in the reboot for all you know

As much as I liked it in the comics, it would just come across as too 'daytime soap' in a film, it's been done so many times before in various programs

 

[Spider-Ock]

I haven't ready any of it. I stopped reading ASM shortly after Peter came back because the stories were really weak. Dan Slott has lost his mojo. If word of mouth is anything to go by the Spider-verse stuff has been pretty bad.



It's hit and miss for me. Court of Owls was great, Death of the Family was ok (a whole load of hype built up and when all was said and done nothing really happened). The latest arc with Joker is much more exciting so far.

Ya the one thing which bugged me about Death of the Family was the lack of a significant impact. They could have made joker kill Damian -- that would have been really really dark.

However, i cant remember which issue, but the scene where Joker entering the GCPD headquarters to steal back his own face was really really chilling.

ON TOPIC: Doc Ock in Spidey's body could be more zany than GOTG lol

 

[Spider2099]

At some point in the new franchise we will see Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom again. Maybe Sandman if they go the Sinister Six route but we'll see. Otherwise I want some fresh villains this time around:

Scorpion (can tie into Jameson and the Spider slayers)
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter
Mysterio
Chameleon
Kingpin
Tombstone
Black Cat
Shocker
Jackal
Morbius
Rhino (his appearance in TASM2 doesn't really count IMO)

And I wouldn't mind seeing some smaller villains scattered throughout the series: Tinkerer, Hammerhead, The Living Brain, etc.

 

[The Joker]

Ya the one thing which bugged me about Death of the Family was the lack of a significant impact. They could have made joker kill Damian -- that would have been really really dark.

Would have been better than the original death Damian got, which they've now retconned. Nobody can stay dead any more in the comics. I am waiting for Gwen and Uncle Ben to walk back into Peter's life alive and well some day.

However, i cant remember which issue, but the scene where Joker entering the GCPD headquarters to steal back his own face was really really chilling.

Yeah Snyder writes a brilliant creepy Joker, it was just the story itself didn't amount to much after all the big hype and build up to it. Not to mention the name of it being a variation of the big 80's Joker story where Jason Todd died. It was like OMG what is going to happen in this one.

ON TOPIC: Doc Ock in Spidey's body could be more zany than GOTG lol

That's a story that could only work in the comics because it was built on YEARS of them being enemies. Some stories really only work in comics.

 

[Spider2099]

That's a story that could only work in the comics because it was built on YEARS of them being enemies. Some stories really only work in comics.

Agreed. I suppose if they ever made a live-action Spider-Man series that lasted a number of years they could go for it, but... y'know...

 

[Spider-Ock]

Even if they do decide to bring Kraven in for the reboot, I am a little ambivalent about an adaptation of the Kraven's Last Hunt arc. Do not get me wrong, its a fantastic story, but one that would fit in more with a sequel somewhere down the line.

A gang war related plot could be a really good way to start the story. It has the potential to include Hammerhead, Tombstone, Kingpin, all those guys. And it could pave the way for a Daredevil Cameo too