Batman Begins Who still likes/thinks Begins is better than TDK?

I can see why people like BB more.

I just really watched it again for the first time since TDK and found myself comparing the two.

I'd have to say, that I like Batman more in BB, but I enjoy the story more in TDK.

Batman was still awesome in TDK don't get me wrong.
 
I can see why people like BB more.

I just really watched it again for the first time since TDK and found myself comparing the two.

I'd have to say, that I like Batman more in BB, but I enjoy the story more in TDK.

Batman was still awesome in TDK don't get me wrong.

Agreed. Begins was better cause it was darker and focused more on Batman plus the fight scenes was better too.
 
Yeah they were. Favorite part of the whole movie is when he swoops across town and everyone is looking up freaking the F out because of the fear toxin. A good majority of people got to see Batman for the first time looking like a flying demon-creature. Hell of an entrance.

But yeah, and he says something to Ra's like, "I can beat two of your paaaaaaaaaaaawns!" andwhen Ra's sends out two more Bats has this look on his face like, "I'm an idiot." Then just lunges at one of them.

That part of the movie to me, made me have a bat-gasm.
 
I thought BB was a superior movie, but TDK was a better summer blockbuster.

Does that make sense?
 
I thought BB was a superior movie, but TDK was a better summer blockbuster.

Does that make sense?

Not much. In fact it's the other way around. Even when BB did less money it has much of the classic summer blockbuster in it. The one-liners, the average action, the cliche dialogue. TDK was a rare exception when the better movie makes more money.
 
plus the fight scenes was better too.

You really found them better? I couldn't tell what the heck was going on in them most of the time. The one with Bruce vs the prison inmates, and Batman vs Ra's on the train were the worst.
 
You really found them better? I couldn't tell what the heck was going on in them most of the time. The one with Bruce vs the prison inmates, and Batman vs Ra's on the train were the worst.

Thats better then Batman vs. Joker. Or when Batman was fighting then japanease criminals and henchmen in the beginning.
 
Thats better then Batman vs. Joker. Or when Batman was fighting then japanease criminals and henchmen in the beginning.

How it is better than when you can actually see the fights and thus you can get involved with what is happening?
 
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Thats better then Batman vs. Joker. Or when Batman was fighting then japanease criminals and henchmen in the beginning.

I'm afraid I don't agree. I could see what was going on alot more clearly in those fights than I could in the ones in Begins.

The fight with Batman and Joker and his thugs in Bruce's penthouse eclipses every fight sequence in Begins.
 
I still prefer BB fights over TDK. Not sure why, maybe because I prefer the Begins suit over TDK.

And I suppose the only fight I don't really enjoy in Dark Knight is in Hong Kong.
 
I'm sure why TDK fights are better and that's because there are some actual effort in showing them. BB figts look cheap, like they didn't have much idea of how to do them or time to do them so they chose not to show much and left the blurriness to do the rest.
 
Hahaha.

Well, they are suppose to be making it from the criminal perspective right?

But you could be right, I mean Nolan was not excatly an action kind of guy before Batman. In the sense of crime fighting action anyways.
 
I'm sure why TDK fights are better and that's because there are some actual effort in showing them. BB figts look cheap, like they didn't have much idea of how to do them or time to do them so they chose not to show much and left the blurriness to do the rest.

That's what makes it so cool, a real fight is like that, it's chaos.
 
Well, they are suppose to be making it from the criminal perspective right?

And Nolan made the hell out of a point about that. On the first Batman apparition only. After that it became clear to me that Nolan was just using that style for anything action.

Even the Tumbler chase was done that way. Or the Bruce-Ra's fight in the frozen lake. And in those there wasn't any criminal's perspective there.

But you could be right, I mean Nolan was not excatly an action kind of guy before Batman. In the sense of crime fighting action anyways.

My point is that after BB he clearly improved that aspect in TDK. You can see the fights and Batman's fight style. Which is quite important in a Batman movie.
 
That's what makes it so cool, a real fight is like that, it's chaos.

A real fight is chaos. A real movie fight can't be chaos-made.

A real Joker might be chaotic, but Ledger couldn't have prepared his character being chaotic but methodic. That might sound a paradox but it's real.
 
My point is that after BB he clearly improved that aspect in TDK. You can see the fights and Batman's fight style. Which is quite important in a Batman movie.

It is important and you can see better in TDK, which is good. And I understand your point. My only real "problem" is like in the Hong Kong fight scene. I love how he fighting. I'm just not diggin' the timing I guess. A few parts seemed a little off.
 
A real fight is chaos. A real movie fight can't be chaos-made.

A real Joker might be chaotic, but Ledger couldn't have prepared his character being chaotic but methodic. That might sound a paradox but it's real.

Dunno, I really liked how blurry it was in BB. It was almost the fight from the criminals point of view, like you never got a good look at Batman...they never knew where he was or where he was coming from.
 
How it is better than when you can actually see the fights and thus you can get involved with what is happening?

Ras Al Ghoul fight with Batman was fair but Batman fight with Joker was a joke it was not even a fight just Joker hitting Batman with a steel pipe. And for the fight in the penthouse was not that good cause all Batman did was push his opponents off him.

Begins dock fight scene was good cause it showed Batman kicng the criminals ass with an added suspense. Batman creeping up on his opponents and taking them out ninja style thats Batman.

I just like the fights better cause they showed the real Batman in Begins were esle in Dark Knight they did not show Batman as a ninja like fighter and stuff like that.
 
I loved the fight scenes cause it showed Batman being Batman. A ninja lurking around they striking his enemies quickly plus the suspense was awesome!
 
I'm not sure but I think the Bourne movies are similar in style of BB?

I just remember my grandfather complaining about the same thing.
 
It is important and you can see better in TDK, which is good. And I understand your point. My only real "problem" is like in the Hong Kong fight scene. I love how he fighting. I'm just not diggin' the timing I guess. A few parts seemed a little off.

Well, I said TDK's fights are better than BB, not that they're fantastic.

Dunno, I really liked how blurry it was in BB.

That's like liking a conversation you can't understand a word from.

It was almost the fight from the criminals point of view, like you never got a good look at Batman...they never knew where he was or where he was coming from.

As long as the criminals can't see a thing, I'm okay. If the audience can't during the entire film, then we have a serious problem.

Ras Al Ghoul fight with Batman was fair but Batman fight with Joker was a joke it was not even a fight just Joker hitting Batman with a steel pipe. And for the fight in the penthouse was not that good cause all Batman did was push his opponents off him.

That's the unfair thing of this; you can tell how Batman did in those fights because you could see what was going on. That's a cheap way to make BB fights better; you cannot see the flaws because you cannot see a thing.

But well, it is always exciting wqhen Batman is not winning the whole time.

Begins dock fight scene was good cause it showed Batman kicng the criminals ass with an added suspense. Batman creeping up on his opponents and taking them out ninja style thats Batman.

As I already said, that's the only time that blurry style works.

Once the audience gets the point it's useless to try to surprise them again. And all BB does is limiting to repeat what's done, which that movie does with many things.

I just like the fights better cause they showed the real Batman in Begins were esle in Dark Knight they did not show Batman as a ninja like fighter and stuff like that.

BB didn't show a thing about fights. If you state that you could see some serious ninja style then you're imagining it, or in best of cases using the frame-to-frame button.
 
To each his own, I thought the fight scenes in BB were brilliant. A real sense of urgency and fear.
 
To each his own, I thought the fight scenes in BB were brilliant. A real sense of urgency and fear.

I have to agree. I had the urge to see what the hell was happening and was afraid all the action scenes were going to be like that. :)

But seriously, if for fear and urgency nothing beats TDK finale with Two-Face.
 
I have to agree. I had the urge to see what the hell was happening and was afraid all the action scenes were going to be like that. :)

LOL! :funny:

But seriously, if for fear and urgency nothing beats TDK finale with Two-Face.

Absolutely. I love the music used in that scene, too. Really added to the tension.
 

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