Batman Begins Who still likes/thinks Begins is better than TDK?

[Fresh Prince]

To each his own, I thought the fight scenes in BB were brilliant. A real sense of urgency and fear.

Agreed.

 

[El Payaso]

Absolutely. I love the music used in that scene, too. Really added to the tension.

One of the best finales in any superhero movie. And no big effects, CGI or shaking cameras (and I don't say because of BB but so many movies that consider action or tension/excitement as shaking cameras); it was only the brilliant script, powerful acting and yes, one superb score (under Nolan's direction that is).

 

[Fresh Prince]

I love the music they used in Begins/Dark Knight it was great. I got the Dark Knight soundtrack and everything.

 

[El Payaso]

Maybe the only one aspect that BB got better than TDK is the incluson of a recognizable Batman theme.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Maybe the only one aspect that BB got better than TDK is the incluson of a recognizable Batman theme.

Batman was more Batman in Begins then Dark Knight.

 

[The Joker]

Maybe the only one aspect that BB got better than TDK is the incluson of a recognizable Batman theme.

I'd agree with that.

But that is the ONLY area it trumps TDK in.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman was more Batman in Begins then Dark Knight.

How was he less Batman in TDK btw?

I'd agree with that.

But that is the ONLY area it trumps TDK in.

Absolutely.

 

[Fresh Prince]

How was he less Batman in TDK btw?



Absolutely.

He did not do his ninja stuff like he Begins. And show off his real martial arts abilities.

 

[El Payaso]

He did not do his ninja stuff like he Begins. And show off his real martial arts abilities.

In order to show off you need to show. Which doesn't equal endless shaky blurness.

 

[Fresh Prince]

In order to show off you need to show. Which doesn't equal endless shaky blurness.

Okay but it showed suspense in the shakyness which Batman does he causes fear to his criminals.

 

[El Payaso]

Okay but it showed suspense in the shakyness which Batman does he causes fear to his criminals.

Yerah, like BB script didn't state that 150 times before Batman even appeared.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Yerah, like BB script didn't state that 150 times before Batman even appeared.

I know but they wanted us people to see him cause the fear suspensefully.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm sure why TDK fights are better and that's because there are some actual effort in showing them. BB figts look cheap, like they didn't have much idea of how to do them or time to do them so they chose not to show much and left the blurriness to do the rest.

I liked both and thought they suited their purposes very well. Begins' editing and shot selection exemplified more tension that both Bruce and the criminals felt, as he was newer to it. Combined with the practical element that the suit itself was restrictive and not graceful to look at. In TDK, the shots are more fluid to represent his calm in fighting. He is a pro now. But the fighting itself looks more awkard to me because of how clear it is. I didn't have trouble following what was giong on in BB, so that might be an issue, but the confusion is exacly what Nolan intended. Both have their merits.

 

[Travesty]

I liked the fight scenes in BB more. The docks fight scene was brilliant, and felt like pure Batman. The Ra's fight scene didn't bother me at all, but I can see what you guys are saying. BB fight scenes felt like those out of The Bourne movies, but I really didn't like TDK fight scenes to much.

The thing I hated about TDK fight scenes was how slow they ALL felt. Sure, you could see them better, but it felt like slow motion to me. The penthouse fight was totally ridiculous, and I wouldn't even consider that a fight, more like a few pushes and then Batman lunges out the window for Rachel. The night club scene was alright, but I always wondered how Batman even got into the club. Did a bouncer ask for his ID? Nothing says concealment, like going into a busy night club, and grabbing one of the biggest mob bosses in the city. The Joker fight was alright, but it wasn't like Joker overtook Batman, it was the damn dogs again. I felt like the biggest threat to Batman the entire movie was dogs.

I don't know, I like BB fight scenes more, but there could definitely be an improvement, but I wouldn't say TDK made an improvement on what was there. If anything, they took a few steps backwards, and made Batman look more like wimp. Sure, you could see them a little better, but it was slower in the long run. Both of the movies weren't great with the fight scenes, but at least I could feel Batman's intimidation in Begins MUCH more then TDK.

 

[The Joker]

Yerah, like BB script didn't state that 150 times before Batman even appeared.

LOL! Yeah, the word fear was ridiculously overused in Begins.

 

[Travesty]

LOL! Yeah, the word fear was ridiculously overused in Begins.

Yeah, the word "fear" was used a ton, but I rather have that, then sporadic pacing.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The Begins fight sequences are some of the worst in movie history.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, the word "fear" was used a ton, but I rather have that, then sporadic pacing.

That's why you're in the minority

The pacing was just fine. I was never bored once. But several scenes in Begins dragged for me. And I don't like movies that ram the theme down your throat every two minutes, like the audience is not intelligent enough to understand what it is.

Fear, fear, FEAR!!!!!

 

[Travesty]

The pacing was just fine. I was never bored once.

I'm not talking about boredom. I wasn't really bored in either movie, but the pacing was a bit obnoxious, to say the least. The pacing would have been fine if the movie was 30 minutes longer and had actually used the scenes they had, or the film could have been split into two movies. That's one reason why most of you guys can't see the faults in TDK. School bus crashes through bank, and goes perfectly in line with other buses. Oh wait, what? Doesn't matter, NEXT scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, 5 dead? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, how did The Joker just do that? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene, credits.

Sure, the word "fear" was a bit obnoxious as well, but the pacing in TDK was just as bad, if not worse. And I'm still confused by how some of you guys allude to the fact that TDK is a "smart" movie. What's so intellectual about it?

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm not talking about boredom. I wasn't really bored in either movie, but the pacing was a bit obnoxious, to say the least. The pacing would have been fine if the movie was 30 minutes longer and had actually used the scenes they had, or the film could have been split into two movies. That's one reason why most of you guys can't see the faults in TDK. School bus crashes through bank, and goes perfectly in line with other buses. Oh wait, what? Doesn't matter, NEXT scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, 5 dead? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, how did The Joker just do that? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene, credits.

Sure, the word "fear" was a bit obnoxious as well, but the pacing in TDK was just as bad, if not worse. And I'm still confused by how some of you guys allude to the fact that TDK is a "smart" movie. What's so intellectual about it?

I agree.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not talking about boredom. I wasn't really bored in either movie, but the pacing was a bit obnoxious, to say the least. The pacing would have been fine if the movie was 30 minutes longer and had actually used the scenes they had, or the film could have been split into two movies. That's one reason why most of you guys can't see the faults in TDK.

Can't see the faults? Could you be a little more ignorant?

Your faults with the movie are you opinions. You had a problem with the pacing, most didn't. That's not saying we can't see any faults. It's that it's not a fault for us.

You like the blurry fight sequences in Begins. You don't see them as a fault. We do. See the difference?

School bus crashes through bank, and goes perfectly in line with other buses. Oh wait, what? Doesn't matter, NEXT scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, 5 dead? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene. Wait, how did The Joker just do that? Doesn't matter, next scene, next scene, next scene, credits.

None of that mattered. Not one single iota of it. I don't care how Joker arranged those school buses or anything like that. Minute lttie things that don't mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of the movie.

Sure, the word "fear" was a bit obnoxious as well, but the pacing in TDK was just as bad, if not worse.

Don't agree at all. In fact I hope Nolan uses the same formula in the third movie. Given the success of TDK, I'd say there's a good chance of it.

 

[The Joker]

I agree.

Says the guy who wants Michael Bay to direct Batman.

 

[Travesty]

Can't see the faults? Could you be a little more ignorant?

I was actually going to use the word "plot holes", but then I knew you would use the word "nitpicking", but either way, I can see you're totally offended by my post. I was looking for the right term to use, without causing a blow up, but can see I failed.

And I think you either read or took my post entirely wrong. I never said the pacing was a "fault", I just don't like the style is all. When I said "faults" I meant the plotholes in the movie

Your faults with the movie are you opinions. You had a problem with the pacing, most didn't. That's not saying we can't see any faults. It's that it's not a fault for us.

How do you know most people didn't have a problem with the pacing of the movie? And your faults with the word "fear" are your opinion. You had a problem with that word, most didn't. See how that works?

You like the blurry fight sequences in Begins. You don't see them as a fault. We do. See the difference?

See, you just put words in my mouth. I said, out of the two movies, I liked Begins more, because it felt more intimidating, as apposed to how slow the fight scenes were in TDK. To tell you the truth, I'm not to much of a fan of the fight scenes for both movies, but I was just judging according to the comparisons of both films. So to tell me that I like "blurry fight scenes" would be a bit ignorant on your behalf, seeing as how those words never came out of my mouth.

None of that mattered. Not one single iota of it. I don't care how Joker arranged those school buses or anything like that. Minute lttie things that don't mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of the movie.

I'm glad you can look over those things, hell, so can I, as I was just giving off an example. That's not the very reason why I hated the pacing, but just a side note/observation I came up with. It's funny, cause hearing the word "fear" was a bit annoying, but it didn't deteriorate my entire enjoyment of the movie, but at least I can admit the faults.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I just like Begins better overall. Darker then Dark Knight.

 

[The Joker]

I was actually going to use the word "plot holes", but then I knew you would use the word "nitpicking", but either way, I can see you're totally offended by my post. I was looking for the right term to use, without causing a blow up, but can see I failed.

Just say in my opinion I didn't like this or that etc. Easiest way not to cause offence rather than saying someone is blind to faults which you think exist.

How do you know most people didn't have a problem with the pacing of the movie?

Because it's a complaint I've rarely, if ever seen in the many, many, MANY reviews and opinions of the movie that I've seen since it was released.

And your faults with the word "fear" are your opinion. You had a problem with that word, most didn't.

Actually alot of people did. Again, you need read around more. Alot of people didn't like how the word fear was constantly used to put the movie's theme across.

See, you just put words in my mouth. I said, out of the two movies, I liked Begins more, because it felt more intimidating, as apposed to how slow the fight scenes were in TDK. To tell you the truth, I'm not to much of a fan of the fight scenes for both movies, but I was just judging according to the comparisons of both films. So to tell me that I like "blurry fight scenes" would be a bit ignorant on your behalf, seeing as how those words never came out of my mouth.

Fair enough.

My apologies.

I'm glad you can look over those things, hell, so can I, as I was just giving off an example. That's not the very reason why I hated the pacing, but just a side note/observation I came up with.

Mmmmmkay....

It's funny, cause hearing the word "fear" was a bit annoying, but it didn't deteriorate my entire enjoyment of the movie, but at least I can admit the faults.

And you think I can't? Or you just think that just beacuse I don't agree with yours that I don't think there is any?