Daredevil Why a TV series for Daredevil?

You guys are wasting your time, this is a clear case of TV = Bad, Movie = Good mentality. Times have changed, man. TV has had some of the greatest dramas over the last few years. Daredevil doesn't need flying robots or a giant aircrafts crashing into the ground, explosions all around. Let me tell you if this was a movie, we'd be getting something like that. I'd much rather have better character development and less flashy SFX.
 
Why would you think they wouldn't show the origin?
They will probably do a origin in the Netflix series, so I assume they won't repeat that when/if they make a movie?

It's not just that he can be done on a TV budget, but he can be done very well on a TV budget. So when you have the option to do, say a Street Hero Netflix show and a Cosmic Hero movie, or just a Street Hero movie, the answer seems very clear to me, as to what will be in the best interest of the expansion of the universe and the profitability of the studio. You say they missed their chance to do street level heroes, but they are in fact doing them, and it in no way prohibits them from making movies of them in Phase 5. It prevents them from doing your version of Civil War perhaps, but that's just one version of one story they've nixed.
I don't think it expands the universe because MCU so far has sucked on the small screen,AOS have very little viewership compared to other famous shows
And about Profitably, I don't think Marvel is gonna earn any money from the Netflix show, Isn't it free?

It's not just that he can be done well on a TV budget, but he can bring in a sizable and enthusiastic audience among the folks who don't go to the movies so much but love to sit on their couch and consume gritty twisting drama and then spend the next year constantly talking about it. No one else can take the Marvel brand to the 50+ million (probably closer to 100 by may next year) Netflix subscribers and have Marvel talked about with as much frequency and praise and general public interest as Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones or House of Card or Orange is the New Black. You're comparing the size of the audience (which may not actually be smaller at all come 2015), and discounting that Daredevil can reach an large new audience and bring them into the fold for Marvel. What you call "spin" is just a business decision that's in Marvel Studios' best interest. Black Panther can't do that. And while Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones technically can, none of them represents the Marvel brand so purely and distinctly as Daredevil does, making him the ideal choice three times over now.

All that assumes that the Daredevil show turns out to be as successful as Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones,while I have high hopes for it, that's a pipe dream

Marvel know how to make quality movie and they should stick to that

This might me the Daredevil and Spider-man fan in me talking, but I so want them to see them together on the big screen, yes they might make movies about Daredevil but you have to admit the chances of that are pretty low(like 1 in 10)
 
You guys are wasting your time, this is a clear case of TV = Bad, Movie = Good mentality. Times have changed, man. TV has had some of the greatest dramas over the last few years. Daredevil doesn't need flying robots or a giant aircrafts crashing into the ground, explosions all around. Let me tell you if this was a movie, we'd be getting something like that. I'd much rather have better character development and less flashy SFX.

You are not looking at the bigger picture
One cannot deny that the MCU lack the street-level superheroes, A Daredevil movie could have easily ushered in that possibility and could have followed it up with movies of Punisher, Ghost Rider ,Luke Cage and the lot
 
You are not looking at the bigger picture
One cannot deny that the MCU lack the street-level superheroes, A Daredevil movie could have easily ushered in that possibility and could have followed it up with movies of Punisher, Ghost Rider ,Luke Cage and the lot

The Netflix series are a part of the MCU...


Seriously, you're being kind of ridiculous here.
 
They will probably do a origin in the Netflix series, so I assume they won't repeat that when/if they make a movie?


I don't think it expands the universe because MCU so far has sucked on the small screen,AOS have very little viewership compared to other famous shows
And about Profitably, I don't think Marvel is gonna earn any money from the Netflix show, Isn't it free?



All that assumes that the Daredevil show turns out to be as successful as Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones,while I have high hopes for it, that's a pipe dream

Marvel know how to make quality movie and they should stick to that

This might me the Daredevil and Spider-man fan in me talking, but I so want them to see them together on the big screen, yes they might make movies about Daredevil but you have to admit the chances of that are pretty low(like 1 in 10)

Just because Agents of Shield sucks, doesn't mean Daredevil will. Agents of Shield is on ABC, DD is on Netflix, this new series will allowed to be darker then either a network show or a PG-13 movie would be.

This series will be able to create a far more complex and involved DD story then a 2 hour movie would and most of the original Netflix shows, like House of Cards and Orange is the New Black have gotten a lot of praise and buzz.

TV is now is seen as the medium for truly great story telling, TV has surpassed movies for a while now.
 
When he watches it in May he'll realize how flawed his thinking was
 
Daredevil doesn't need a movie. A series is probably better for him. I don't know what they are going to do with Iron Fist though. I really do wanna see him kill a Dragon with his bare hands.
 
When he watches it in May he'll realize how flawed his thinking was
I hope you turn out to be right
But tell me,how do you suppose they will do a Defenders mini-series on a TV Budget ? Daredevil,I agree can be done on a TV Budget,but how will a team up with 4-5 heroes?
 
Just because Agents of Shield sucks, doesn't mean Daredevil will. Agents of Shield is on ABC, DD is on Netflix, this new series will allowed to be darker then either a network show or a PG-13 movie would be.

This series will be able to create a far more complex and involved DD story then a 2 hour movie would and most of the original Netflix shows, like House of Cards and Orange is the New Black have gotten a lot of praise and buzz.

TV is now is seen as the medium for truly great story telling, TV has surpassed movies for a while now.

Darker =/= Better
 
I hope you turn out to be right
But tell me,how do you suppose they will do a Defenders mini-series on a TV Budget ? Daredevil,I agree can be done on a TV Budget,but how will a team up with 4-5 heroes?

It's 8 episodes. Remember, they are giving the 4 shows a 200 million dollar budget, leaving them with 50 mil for each show. That doesn't include the Defenders. They'll give it a bigger budget across only 8 episodes. It will be like an 8 hour long movie. Watch shows like the Walking Dead to see what can be done on a tv budget. Then think about what they can do with fewer episodes.

True Detective had only 8 episodes and it was better than any serial killer investigation movie I have ever seen. Agent Carter is also getting 8 episodes which will make it a lot more cinematic than AoS.

Have faith in Marvel. It sounds like they have a really solid plan.
 
I don't see a problem with a tv serie. I'm more than glad we will have a new live action Daredevil. And his adventures will be 13 hours long.
 
For Daredvil his story can be told on a TV budget and will be better for it. But some people are asking for a Spiderman TV series that can't. CGI for him and most especially Doc Oc, Venom etc... would be too expensive.
 
there was a live action spiderman serie in the 70's, and it was great.
 
It's 8 episodes. Remember, they are giving the 4 shows a 200 million dollar budget, leaving them with 50 mil for each show. That doesn't include the Defenders. They'll give it a bigger budget across only 8 episodes. It will be like an 8 hour long movie. Watch shows like the Walking Dead to see what can be done on a tv budget. Then think about what they can do with fewer episodes.

True Detective had only 8 episodes and it was better than any serial killer investigation movie I have ever seen. Agent Carter is also getting 8 episodes which will make it a lot more cinematic than AoS.

Have faith in Marvel. It sounds like they have a really solid plan.

But how do they plan to earn money with them being released free on Netflix? The way I see it, its 200M down the drain
 
But how do they plan to earn money with them being released free on Netflix? The way I see it, its 200M down the drain

They attract new customers by having titles solely belonging to Netflix. The same as House of Cards, Orange is the new black etc...

Hbo gets it's money from subscription same as Netlix.
 
Darker =/= Better

Not always, but many of the better Daredevil stories are dark, like Born Again or the Death of Elektra. Darkness has worked well for DD in the past. That is why this Netflix series is so interesting, it can better tell these darker stories then a PG 13 movie or a network TV show.
 
Not always, but many of the better Daredevil stories are dark, like Born Again or the Death of Elektra. Darkness has worked well for DD in the past. That is why this Netflix series is so interesting, it can better tell these darker stories then a PG 13 movie or a network TV show.

Like life there should be a mixture. The series should be able to make you laugh/cry/afraid/excited. It should take you on a rollercoaster ride and leave you on the other side emotionally drained and begging for more. The characters should feel love/hate/anger and happiness. The series should also change them. This is their personal journey and you are along for the ride.

It's difficult to do this in a 2 hour movie but can be done in the tv series if done right. LotR and the original Star Wars trilogy managed to do it. That is why they will be iconic and last the test of time.
 
Arguably, a Daredevil TV series could only be considered a problem if you subscribe to the cultural bias that film is a superior medium to television by default, which isn't the case, especially now in 2014. TV is rapidly catching up to film in respectability and it's about time certain more grounded heroes can shine to their full potential without having to worry about budget issues.

Some of it seems to be a concern for DD's exposure as an individual character. A highly rated Netflix series might "only" get 20 million viewers. A good movie though could get closer to 50 million people worldwide to see it. So it's like, "But why can't my favorite get 50 million viewers?" It's not so much a concern for him being respected, but a concern for him being known by as many people as possible, and that being chose for that honor is the true sign of respectability.

I don't agree, but that is the sentiment as I understand it.
 
They will probably do a origin in the Netflix series, so I assume they won't repeat that when/if they make a movie?

If they're exposing him to a new larger audience, then yeah they will show the origin. However, since by that time, the audience likely won't be larger, no, they will not show the origin to the same audience all over again just because it's a movie now.

I don't think it expands the universe because MCU so far has sucked on the small screen,AOS have very little viewership compared to other famous shows
And about Profitably, I don't think Marvel is gonna earn any money from the Netflix show, Isn't it free?

Expansion and us liking it are two different concepts. Just because you don't like AoS doesn't mean it doesn't explore a new corner of the MCU. It's just that AoS actually *Doesn't* explore a new corner of the MCU, so... yeah.

The number of reasons DD on Netflix/subscription TV can't be compared with AoS on network TV are innumberable. It doesn't matter that they're both "TV" because the people, processes, budget, motivations, objectives and material are all completely different. I cannot prove to you that DD will be nothing like AoS on any level, even behind the scenes if you put stock in the letters "TV" like they made AoS what it is. But I, and others, are so confident, so clear on these differences, that I don't feel any need to prove it to you.

When it comes to profitability, Netflix pays Marvel because highly acclaimed shows like House of Cards, Orange is the New Black and soon Daredevil bring in more subscribers. Marvel in particular will help them expand in foreign markets more rapidly, thus giving them more money to get more content to get more subscribers, until everyone has Netflix, I guess.

All that assumes that the Daredevil show turns out to be as successful as Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones,while I have high hopes for it, that's a pipe dream

All of Netflix's original program is at that level, critically and commercially. Not some, not kinda, not maybe. All. Every time. They don't make a show unless it's going to be a huge success and bring more people to their channel. They don't release their numbers, but you're talking about something like 20 million people at least watching these shows. Netflix is spending a billion dollars on Marvel's Netflix series of series. If those fail, Netflix itself might fail. What for you is a pipe dream is a crucial and reliable strategy to a billion dollar business.

Marvel know how to make quality movie and they should stick to that

This might me the Daredevil and Spider-man fan in me talking, but I so want them to see them together on the big screen, yes they might make movies about Daredevil but you have to admit the chances of that are pretty low(like 1 in 10)

I think a lot of your concerns are from an emotional fan place as opposed to a logical analytical place. That's really understandable, most of us can get very protective of our favorite characters and regard any disappointment as a heartbreak, I can relate to that.

What I think is going to happen is Netflix is going to make sure Marvel makes yet another awesome Netflix series, because that's what they know how to do, and that Netflix's subscriber base and budgets will continue to increase until the line between TV and film becomes blurry to the point where no one really cares. This will be helped by HBO and AMC and others adopting Netflix same direct-to-subscriber model and also continuing to add big budgets shows that have far more pop culture power than the vast majority of films. If they think Robert Kirkman's Walking Dead was a good comic, wait until they see Invincible! 12 Episodes of super powers with a 300M budget and a four-five month shoot? Very doable, imho. But I digress.

The likelihood is that in six years someone will mention making a DD film and someone else will point out how peeved DD's 70 million viewers would be if they had to take off work/leave home/pay an extra $12 to follow the current adventures of their favorite character, and that would undermine the appeal of his show and of the film that relied on backstory only viewable by Netflix subscribers, though they be many. Then the first person will say, 'Well, why don't we just have him cameo in the new Spider-Man film' and the second person will say "That's brilliant Jim, but you know we're never getting the Spider-Man rights back." And then they'll both laugh and laugh.
 
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Not always, but many of the better Daredevil stories are dark, like Born Again or the Death of Elektra. Darkness has worked well for DD in the past. That is why this Netflix series is so interesting, it can better tell these darker stories then a PG 13 movie or a network TV show.

You might be right, but the funny thing is that the Daredevil movie was pretty dark, infact still one the darkest superhero movies, and I remember Stan Lee giving an interview some years after release where he said that they got the character wrong and he wasn't supposed to be so dark
 
You might be right, but the funny thing is that the Daredevil movie was pretty dark, infact still one the darkest superhero movies, and I remember Stan Lee giving an interview some years after release where he said that they got the character wrong and he wasn't supposed to be so dark

No offense to Stan Lee, but he may have created Daredevil, but he did not define him like Frank Miller did in the 80s, Stan was likely commenting on the DD he wrote back in the 60s, not the DD defined by Miller that everyone is more familiar with. Miller changed DD into a darker book then it was in the 60s and that is where it got its real success. I think Netflix series would better reflect that DD.
 
TV series are usually better than movies IMO. You get more time to develop the stories and characters. And for someone like Daredevil, it fits perfectly. MCU is movies AND tv series. I can't wait!
 
You guys are wasting your time, this is a clear case of TV = Bad, Movie = Good mentality. Times have changed, man. TV has had some of the greatest dramas over the last few years. Daredevil doesn't need flying robots or a giant aircrafts crashing into the ground, explosions all around. Let me tell you if this was a movie, we'd be getting something like that. I'd much rather have better character development and less flashy SFX.

and Netflix doesn't have to deal with the regular nets censors
 
Expansion and us liking it are two different concepts. Just because you don't like AoS doesn't mean it doesn't explore a new corner of the MCU. It's just that AoS actually *Doesn't* explore a new corner of the MCU, so... yeah.

The number of reasons DD on Netflix/subscription TV can't be compared with AoS on network TV are innumberable. It doesn't matter that they're both "TV" because the people, processes, budget, motivations, objectives and material are all completely different. I cannot prove to you that DD will be nothing like AoS on any level, even behind the scenes if you put stock in the letters "TV" like they made AoS what it is. But I, and others, are so confident, so clear on these differences, that I don't feel any need to prove it to you.
Fair enough,We wouldn't know for sure till it is released

When it comes to profitability, Netflix pays Marvel because highly acclaimed shows like House of Cards, Orange is the New Black and soon Daredevil bring in more subscribers. Marvel in particular will help them expand in foreign markets more rapidly, thus giving them more money to get more content to get more subscribers, until everyone has Netflix, I guess.
Will they pay Marvel 50M (the budget)? I highly doubt it
And foreign markets,that's one of the point I am making,Netflix is only available in the American continent and some parts of Europe

In today's era,foreign markets make up more than 60% of the box office gross,it bugs me that this Netflix route will rob almost 50% of the fans off Daredevil

The likelihood is that in six years someone will mention making a DD film and someone else will point out how peeved DD's 70 million viewers would be if they had to take off work/leave home/pay an extra $12 to follow the current adventures of their favorite character, and that would undermine the appeal of his show and of the film that relied on backstory only viewable by Netflix subscribers, though they be many. Then the first person will say, 'Well, why don't we just have him cameo in the new Spider-Man film' and the second person will say "That's brilliant Jim, but you know we're never getting the Spider-Man rights back." And then they'll both laugh and laugh.
Well if you look closely at Sony's position,they and everybody knows in its current state they won't make much with Spider-man movies(people are saying TASM2 didn't even break even),the plans for spin-offs are in tatters(rumours are that they have been cancelled),they are almost bankrupt and want to exit the movie business, I will be really surprised if the rights aren't sold/given back to Marvel within 1-2 years

And the way I see it,people will get bored with The Avengers,no matter how much they rotate the rooster because all Avenger's movies will boil down to the same thing- big humanity hating egotistic enemy(Loki,Ultron,Thanos) and his henchmen(Chitauri,Ultron bots) against the world and the Avengers need to defend the earth all the while also fighting each other

Daredevil and co could have bought a new dimension(Street heroes) with more down to earth movies and threats,while people argue that the Netflix shows are a part of MCU and I agree with them but the fact remains that they cannot be seen as a viable source of income

Marvel could have done away with Avengers 3 and Thanos by the end of Phase 3,Phase 4 could have bought in Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage,Ghost Rider and Spider-man and then united them in a Heroes for hire/Defenders movie against a common enemy (Kingpin) then BOOM Marvel's Civil War in 2023 or something with the Street/masked heroes as anti-reg and the famous/maskless Avengers as pro-reg

Am I the only one who sees the missed potential?
 
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