Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[AnyPiKa]

Huh.
I personally liked the scene with the flag.
Spidey is 100% American, for Christs sake .

He's even blue and red, like the flag, LOL.

*shrugs*

I liked it.


Angie**​

 

[demitri_vampiro]

Have we really become so cynical and anarchic that we abhor our very own flag? I mean come on guys! It's our flag. It represents our country. It is the American people's symbol. It has no connections whatsoever to our crooked government who uses it as a tool, little respecting what that flag represents.

it's not the hate towards the flag, just how it was forced in a scene. if they showed a flag during a parade sure.
and yeah, i'm not american but from yugoslavia, but even if they forced a yugoslav flag in a movie and it was out of place i would still go wtf.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The flag was forced and takes you out of the movie. It ruins the flow. That is why it was terrible. Im SM1, the flag was fine, and in SM2 it was ok. Here it looked fake and was distracting, especially since a very dramatic moment was coming. It was inappropriate for that point in the movie.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Nothing else needs to be added. I agree with the last posters.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I honestly don't think the flag was forced at all. This is America. Of course you'll be seeing the American flag prominently on buildings everywhere. It's not that rare of a thing. I live in some armpit of a small town and I see American flags posted on people's houses everywhere. If Spider-man was in Japan and treated as a Japanese character, would some of you have gone all batty if he zoomed past a Japanese Flag atop a building? I think those of you protesting the flag scene are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

I honestly don't think the flag was forced at all. This is America. Of course you'll be seeing the American flag prominently on buildings everywhere. It's not that rare of a thing. I live in some armpit of a small town and I see American flags posted on people's houses everywhere. If Spider-man was in Japan and treated as a Japanese character, would some of you have gone all batty if he zoomed past a Japanese Flag atop a building? I think those of you protesting the flag scene are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

i don't feel like tying the same thing all over again, so just read my previous post.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

What if I told you I didn't feel like trying to go backwards and find back posts?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I honestly don't think the flag was forced at all. This is America. Of course you'll be seeing the American flag prominently on buildings everywhere. It's not that rare of a thing. I live in some armpit of a small town and I see American flags posted on people's houses everywhere. If Spider-man was in Japan and treated as a Japanese character, would some of you have gone all batty if he zoomed past a Japanese Flag atop a building? I think those of you protesting the flag scene are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

The flag placing was just not appropriate. If it was during another swing scene, or as he was passing in the air (not landing on a rooftop), it would have been better. This flag was out of place and looked extremely fake. IT felt forced, unlike the other two films.

Yes Spider-Man is an American, but that was never BEAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL in the comics like it is in the movies (the flags, the "You mess with New York" thing, etc.) Passing by flags and such is fine, but when the climax of the movie is coming, I DON'T WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT AMERICA! I want to think about the movie. The fact the flag takes you out of the movie is a bad thing.

They could have put a flag in any other scene, or put a real flag on the side of a building but they didn't do it. That is why that shot is poor and criticized.

Also, I have never noticed giant flags in NY as commonly as they are in the movies.

 

[GoldGoblin]

I honestly don't think the flag was forced at all. This is America. Of course you'll be seeing the American flag prominently on buildings everywhere. It's not that rare of a thing. I live in some armpit of a small town and I see American flags posted on people's houses everywhere. If Spider-man was in Japan and treated as a Japanese character, would some of you have gone all batty if he zoomed past a Japanese Flag atop a building? I think those of you protesting the flag scene are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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[The Joker]

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[FatA$$]

i hate when people say something about a part in a scene that had "taken them out of the movie" uhh just dont concentrate on that aspect. OMG A FLAG I CAN NO LONGER THINK ABOUT SPIDER-MAN BECUASE I SAW A HUGE AMERICAN FLAG!... SHOVE IT UP YOUR A$$ IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH. an other example is when people woud see topher and immediately be taken away from the whole eddie brock character becuase they would imagine eric foreman and couldnt picture him being serious and thus saying its bad casting.... THATS YOUR OWN FAULT! DONT think about eric foreman. DO think about eddie brock. ITS NOT THE F'ING HARD!!

 

[TheCaptain22555]

I disagree with people that say that flag scene is distracting. Usually as I walk out of a movie, I hear people chatting about their favorite scenes or what they didn't like. I'm one of those people myself, but I highly doubt people see that scene, leave the movie and wonder "Geez, what was with that huge flag?" They were mainly talking about "How could Venom be dead?" or "Why wasn't Venom in the movie longer?"

 

[chaseter]

^Agreed. It would have been totally different had he hung out around the flag but he just ran by it...goodness people either hate America or hate the film so much that the want to pick and nag at any and every single thing that THEY thought was wrong.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

I honestly don't think the flag was forced at all. This is America. Of course you'll be seeing the American flag prominently on buildings everywhere. It's not that rare of a thing. I live in some armpit of a small town and I see American flags posted on people's houses everywhere. If Spider-man was in Japan and treated as a Japanese character, would some of you have gone all batty if he zoomed past a Japanese Flag atop a building? I think those of you protesting the flag scene are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Word. Funny how you say Japan and have the handle Godzilla 2000. Godzilla owns too. The real one, not Zilla.

 

[UltimateJustin]

hmm heres an idea maybe the flag upsets people because the US is a nation that starts wars for no reason, occupies countries and does nothing to help poverty stricken countries that only got that way due to their policies. also, bush lied.

 

[sundaycall]

Having read through the entire thread (work days are fun) I think I might have figured out;

a)Why some people dislike the shot initially

b)Why this thread has gone on for so long

And the answer to both questions is simple, it's not that EVERYONE hates America, Americans, American Imagery or Iconography.

I think it's that the fact that the film-makers, and a great deal of posters here, didn't understand or cannot appreciate that fact that a huge portion of this film's audience were going to find a shot like that "off" and "unnecessary". And I know it's a very brief shot, but it's in there, INTENTIONALLY, not by accident and not as a throwaway shot. It was a conscious and planned decision to use what may be the biggest film of the year to push a political image. I think what's winding most protractors up is the fact that those championing the shot "don't get" why some won't like it to the point where you're getting angry at the protractors for not conforming.

And I know "Spider-man's American!!! What do you want!?!" well yes, Spider-man's an American, but he's also incredibly popular as a character because he appeals to such a massive amount of people around the world, because Peter Parker could be any teenager - that's what makes the character great. And the character's success is attributed to that appeal, so gettin on a high horse and proclaiming Spider-man as 'your hero' as such, I think, is a little bit short sighted and ignorant - a sort of "DON'T ARGUE, HE'S NOT YOUR HERO TO FOLLOW AND LOVE".

Nobody wants to change his costume or the city he lives in cuz they're part of that appeal, they are elements that were there from day one and don't carry the baggage of a singular political point but are rather just the canon of the character, but a ****ing giant waving CGI flag does come with that baggage and the fact is, the film-makers should have known better.

My 2 cents.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

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I love you Gold Goblin.

Word. Funny how you say Japan and have the handle Godzilla 2000. Godzilla owns too. The real one, not Zilla.

Whoa, for a second there I thought you were going to mention the 1970's Toei Spider-man series. :P

 

[skabass13]

Is all this complaining seriously going to change the movie? No. Stop bickering about a 3 second shot for Christ's sake.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Why? If it bugs people, they should voice it. You know, it is unamerican to tell people to not voice their opinions on something. It goes against the distracting flag in the movie.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I never find the flag of any country in a movie native to their homeland that is prominently displayed on film obnoxious, unless of course it's a Nazi flag.

 

[Comicfan]

Having read through the entire thread (work days are fun) I think I might have figured out;

a)Why some people dislike the shot initially

b)Why this thread has gone on for so long

And the answer to both questions is simple, it's not that EVERYONE hates America, Americans, American Imagery or Iconography.

I think it's that the fact that the film-makers, and a great deal of posters here, didn't understand or cannot appreciate that fact that a huge portion of this film's audience were going to find a shot like that "off" and "unnecessary". And I know it's a very brief shot, but it's in there, INTENTIONALLY, not by accident and not as a throwaway shot. It was a conscious and planned decision to use what may be the biggest film of the year to push a political image. I think what's winding most protractors up is the fact that those championing the shot "don't get" why some won't like it to the point where you're getting angry at the protractors for not conforming.

And I know "Spider-man's American!!! What do you want!?!" well yes, Spider-man's an American, but he's also incredibly popular as a character because he appeals to such a massive amount of people around the world, because Peter Parker could be any teenager - that's what makes the character great. And the character's success is attributed to that appeal, so gettin on a high horse and proclaiming Spider-man as 'your hero' as such, I think, is a little bit short sighted and ignorant - a sort of "DON'T ARGUE, HE'S NOT YOUR HERO TO FOLLOW AND LOVE".

Nobody wants to change his costume or the city he lives in cuz they're part of that appeal, they are elements that were there from day one and don't carry the baggage of a singular political point but are rather just the canon of the character, but a ****ing giant waving CGI flag does come with that baggage and the fact is, the film-makers should have known better.

My 2 cents.

Excelent post

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't find flags annoying in movies unless I find it inappropriate for the scene, like I feel it was in this movie.

 

[Fried Gold]

I never find the flag of any country in a movie native to their homeland that is prominently displayed on film obnoxious, unless of course it's a Nazi flag.

Possibly because that's a flag of a country.

 

[Spider - Man]

hmm heres an idea maybe the flag upsets people because the US is a nation that starts wars for no reason, occupies countries and does nothing to help poverty stricken countries that only got that way due to their policies. also, bush lied.

Spoken like a true liberal zombie!

First of all, just so we're clear and not spewing the 'bush lied' line that the libs want mindless sheep like you to repeat ad nauseum, Bush extended a deadline 2 TIMES to Saddam to cooperate with the UN investigators who were trying to uncover the truth, but Saddam WOULD NOT COOPERATE! Bush said if he didn't cooperate, we were coming. Saddam didn't cooperate so we went in. WHY DOES EVERYONE SO CONVENIENTLY FORGET THIS? Do I agree with everything about the way the war was handled? No. But even the Democrats voted in favor of going into Iraq. Bush keeps his word about going to war with Iraq if Saddam doesn't cooperate, Saddam doesn't cooperate, Bush takes us to war. Where did he lie? "Oh, it was for the oil!" Proof? Al Quaida attacks the US on 9/11 and yet we have liberal idiots like Rosie O'donnel saying stuff like "Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers." The real reason so many outside this country hate America is because they can see that half of this country is so filled with hate over its President that they feel that they can safely jump on the bandwagon too. Whatever an American thinks about its President, he should still stand up for his country. Kinda like a family member, you may not agree with what they do, but you'd still stand up for them if anyone else attacks them. But then again, you probably wouldn't do that after all so maybe I just wasted an analogy.

This country's presidency was a joke to the rest of the world during the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, BUT that didn't mean that Americans couldn't still love their country and it's flag (i.e: the ideals that it was built on, as I've said many times before). If the rest of the world wants to be anti-American because they don't agree with the actions of its president, so be it, but I will be pro-American just as loudly as they will be against it - no matter WHO is in the White House.

And just so everyone realizes, the last thing anti-America/Bush people want (even those who are Americans) is for the US to be victorious in Iraq. The same people who cry out to help the suffering and poverty-stricken in other countries would sooner see the Iraqis remain under a tyrannical dictator than see them become a democracy because that would make Bush right, and that's one thing they wouldn't know how to live with. It's all political with them now. A victory in Iraq is a defeat for the democratic party and anyone who blasted Bush for his actions. Their defense is "It can't be won" like everyone is now a war strategist. They just always fail to include WHY it can't be won. They're right it can't be won if they're alluding to congrees cutting off funds to our soldiers.

The sad thing is, when we don't do something about Iran because whoever is President next is afraid of being labeled a war-monger and we get attacked with a nuclear weapon, the same people who blasted Bush will be the first to jump up and say "We should've done something when we had the chance!" but then STILL be against going after them in retaliation.

Again, I don't agree with everything Bush has done, just like I never agreed with everything ANY president has ever done, but when people throw out the 'broken record Bush lied' line, I want to make sure they have more of the facts and are not just speaking out of blind hatred for Bush as you seem to be doing.

This is not the forum for this kind of discussion, and it no longer even has anything to do with the Spider-man film. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even their right to hate America (if they do), just as I have the right to mine. But I have stated mine enough that everyone knows that there are SOME people who do love America, even when she's down.

 

[Spider-Fan]

OK...can we get back on topic?