Why Are So Many People Fearing The Trilogy Curse??

[kooguy911]

well im not so much fearing the trilogy curse as much as i am fearing the 4th one being a complete flop

think about it --- no raimi, dunst, OR toby. Its gonna be the batman forever of our decade. Prepare for rubber spider nipples and a spider-mobile. The wheel-barrell of crap is coming our way folks and theres no avoiding it. Just enjoy 3 while you can.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

they should have gone for the symbiote coming to earth with John Jameson
but its too late in the day to complain about it now

I for one think it's cool that they when't with the meteore. not to mention that it happen's during a romantic scene and the thing that land's close to them is the thing that will split them apart. cool? yes because that's a very effective way of making it come to earth, a bunch of shooting star's and one happen's to land in central park, I love it!.

 

[Eddie Brock]

well im not so much fearing the trilogy curse as much as i am fearing the 4th one being a complete flop

think about it --- no raimi, dunst, OR toby. Its gonna be the batman forever of our decade. Prepare for rubber spider nipples and a spider-mobile. The wheel-barrell of crap is coming our way folks and theres no avoiding it. Just enjoy 3 while you can.

There's no guarantee that they are even DOING a 4. So calm down with the pessimism.

 

[Visionary]

Why do Spider-Man fans think that there's no other director on the face of the planet, who can direct a good, great or even greater Spider-Man film, than what we have witness thus far? I honestly don't think Sony/Marvel will have a problem attracting a really damn good director.

 

[chaseter]

No it's not, neither is a man made of living sand. Did you all forget that it is a comic book film, people come to expect these types of things? That's why no one questioned the Silver Surfer appearence in FF2's trailer. There's nothing wrong with taking a break from scientific experiments (even though Connors will be scientifically experimenting on it), something new like the symbiote is gonna add excitement if handle well, which it looks like it is.You mean like a spider biting a person and giving him spider powers like...VOILA?

Yea just like how without any explanation to the genetic experiments going on with the spiders it just suddenly popped out and bit Peter... Like you usually do, you don't read the entire post and you just twist it to make them seem like a jack @ss and you the master of quips. I am sure the meteor isn't just going to shoot from the sky, the symbiote emerges, and nothing futher is explained about its origin. That is what I am talking about. How are they going to address the origin of a character that is central to the movie's theme surrounding Peter to please the comic fans as well as make it believable and make sense to the casual viewer. Will Peter see a brief history of the symbiote's travels in his thoughts as it posesses his mind or will Eddie see it? Does Connors know anything about the mysterious substances origin? If you have an honest, well thought out answer instead of a one line sarcastic quip...be my guest.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Well If Raimi decided not to return, do you guys think that Cameron might step in? Wasn't he the one who was supposed to direct Spider-Man movie during early planning stages. I think Cameron could do Spider-Man movies as well as Raimi.

 

[Spade]

Why do Spider-Man fans think that there's no other director on the face of the planet, who can direct a good, great or even greater Spider-Man film, than what we have witness thus far? I honestly don't think Sony/Marvel will have a problem attracting a really damn good director.

It's because there's such a wide room for screwing up. Burton had a good feel going for the Batman films, and now we have Batman & Robin and (to a lesser extent) Batman Forever as prime examples of what happens in the worse case scenario. One could also argue how the loss of quality was felt in Superman III when Donner left entirely, and even though I liked it Superman Returns has earned some fans of Kal-El to spew vitriol towards Singer.

People grow pessimistic when bad examples make new change a path deemed less worthy of travel, and directing changes have not been kind to the superhero genre. Fans rave about how a Cameron or some Hollywood bigwig could do a bang-up job, but the truth is that that's not who we need right now. We need someone who really understands the source material, and time and time again Marvel has proven that finding people who understand what makes their characters great is a difficult thing for them to do.

The biggest issue is that if Raimi leaves whoever fills in has to draw on a very limited amount of viable storyline material. What next? "Peter's angst" is at the point where it should be credited in the end titles, MJ's rescue is a motif that's growing tiresome, and (speaking from personal opinion) I don't think Carnage, the Clone Saga nor Morlun would work nearly as well as most people believe. Tobey's not speaking out of his backside when he says things are coming to a close, as the 90's and modern sagas haven't been know for creating a veritable wealth of good material. To keep things fresh you'll need someone to do things onpar or better than the books, and I have doubts that even Raimi could so easily do such a thing.

Things are open for the Spider-Marriage and an SM4, but I think I'd rather have a film treated with care than just made to fufill Sony's wet dream of a 6-film franchise.

 

[Spidey_87]

While I would to see a fourth movie, I am happy with just getting a really great trilogy that stands out.

 

[Visionary]

Yea just like how without any explanation to the genetic experiments going on with the spiders it just suddenly popped out and bit Peter... Like you usually do, you don't read the entire post and you just twist it to make them seem like a jack @ss and you the master of quips. I am sure the meteor isn't just going to shoot from the sky, the symbiote emerges, and nothing futher is explained about its origin. That is what I am talking about. How are they going to address the origin of a character that is central to the movie's theme surrounding Peter to please the comic fans as well as make it believable and make sense to the casual viewer. Will Peter see a brief history of the symbiote's travels in his thoughts as it posesses his mind or will Eddie see it? Does Connors know anything about the mysterious substances origin? If you have an honest, well thought out answer instead of a one line sarcastic quip...be my guest.

Most likely, Connors will explain most of its origin and the state of being of the symbiote, he is the guy studying it. Also, the audience will be able to visually see for themselves and through Peter's experience with it what its characteristics are. Remember, this isn't a documentary film about symbiotes, not everything is going to be laid out for you like a toddler. Sometimes a little mystery, especially with something that is unearthly, is set to entertain and intrigue.

And if anyone's a jackass at times, it's probably me, I'll admit to that.

 

[Mr Jide]

LOL... I didn't even know the novel was out! Guess I know what I'll be picking up after work...

Do you seriously want to do that? Why not just wait 1 month, see the film and then get the novel? You've come this far, why spoil your self?

 

[Mr Jide]

Agreed, plus having John Jameson bring the symbiote back in the space shuttle might seem too much like a seperate movie. This is Spider-Man not Alien 5.

A seperate movie?? SM2 already established John as an astronaught so why people would think it'd be a stretch for John to bring back a meteor rock to earth baffles me.

 

[Mr Jide]

well im not so much fearing the trilogy curse as much as i am fearing the 4th one being a complete flop

think about it --- no raimi, dunst, OR toby. Its gonna be the batman forever of our decade. Prepare for rubber spider nipples and a spider-mobile. The wheel-barrell of crap is coming our way folks and theres no avoiding it. Just enjoy 3 while you can.

What else has it shown you?

 

[Mr Jide]

Why do Spider-Man fans think that there's no other director on the face of the planet, who can direct a good, great or even greater Spider-Man film, than what we have witness thus far? I honestly don't think Sony/Marvel will have a problem attracting a really damn good director.

Because those spider-fans in question are stupid.

 

[ultimatefan]

I don´t think we can´t necessarily find another director that can make a great Spider-Man, but I don´t think it´ll be easy either, given how many attempts we have seen at superhero movies that haven´t reached the same balance between pleasing comic book fans and general moviegoers. Sometimes these replacements work, like with the HP series, sometimes not quite, like with X-Men.

 

[Mr Jide]

All that is needed is, competence and that is why the HP movies do so well. It's an understandable assessment to point out that other movies's underperform when there are major changes taking place BUT it's the not the, "be all and end all". A competent and dedicated cast and crew should be able to get the job done and I agree it's a matter of finding said people but it can most definately be done.

 

[ghost_x]

Most likely, Connors will explain most of its origin and the state of being of the symbiote, he is the guy studying it. Also, the audience will be able to visually see for themselves and through Peter's experience with it what its characteristics are. Remember, this isn't a documentary film about symbiotes, not everything is going to be laid out for you like a toddler. Sometimes a little mystery, especially with something that is unearthly, is set to entertain and intrigue.

And if anyone's a jackass at times, it's probably me, I'll admit to that.

Considering that's what your going for, I don't think you deserve that satisfaction...your really not as bad as you would like to be, your just a nerdy little spiderman fan, no doubt equipped with glasses, pimples and a large firewall, to protect you from the horrors of the internet

 

[ghost_x]

All that is needed is, competence and that is why the HP movies do so well. It's an understandable assessment to point out that other movies's underperform when there are major changes taking place BUT it's the not the, "be all and end all". A competent and dedicated cast and crew should be able to get the job done and I agree it's a matter of finding said people but it can most definately be done.

I hated every Harry Potter film, each film has progressively improved but it started off on such a low point that by now it's only up to 'watchable'

 

[Mr Jide]

I've always enjoyed the movies.

 

[ghost_x]

I wasn't a fan of the books, which is possibly a good enough indication as to why

 

[Mr Jide]

ahh, I see. Fair enough.

 

[chaseter]

They Potter films have been getting better and better. I think a new director for Spidey would probably work if they don't rush it like they did with X3. Sony doesn't need to push out another film in 2 years or less...

 

[ghost_x]

The only way a new director would work is if they went a completely different route, including the tone. If they maintained a similar vibe to Raimis interpretation than it would draw too many unnecessary comparisons. If they went an entirely different route the new franchise would stand on it's own merits and audiences will welcome the new style. Think adam west Batman and Burton's. West's at the time was highly successful, people were enjoying the interpretation and it didn't essentially need the reboot. Burton than created an entirely different Batman to what audiences were used to and they were able to embrace is, partly because it was a quality film, as well as being different and just as accessible.

 

[Visionary]

R-rated. Now that's a different route.

 

[ghost_x]

If they wanted to bring in Carnage with an R Rated film direced by Kurt Wimmer, I wouldn't say no

 

[DACrowe]

I'll just point this out about the new director. Are there other *better* directors or directors more apt to make a better Spidey film than Raimi? Most likely.

Will a great director with any sort of reputation be attracted to a big studio film franchise they've never worked on with a 4 on the next installment? Probably not. That means take from those who work for hire (the Ratner types) or someone new. But will Sony trust a no-name (mind you they did with 1) to helm their $300 million tent pole? Again, unlikely, but who saw Sam Raimi, either.

It is the liklihood that a Ratner or a Schumacher or a Story will take over. Sony did hire MSJ who made the abismal Ghost Rider, after all. And it boils down to Sony cares about the bottom line. Raimi offers them a franchise with class and critical acclaim that sitll is a huge draw at the b.o. (one of the best of its generation/decade). But if it means making hundreds of millions or more without him around....don't think for a second they won't.

They hired Koepp, who we can all agree was the weak link of the creative process in SM1 to write a screenplay without Raimi, already.

So I have some skepticism. But it is so far away and life has too much else going on to really worry about it. Even if they screw up and make a Spider-Totem movie over a classic Lizard/KLH storyline, whatever. At least we still had three good movies and life will move on.