Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Why aren't the Avengers ever mentioned anymore?

[Herolee10]

Ever since the threat of Hydra has made its presence known within this series, I feel like it's been somewhat of a odd thing on how the Avengers (whether as a whole group of just one of its members) are ever mentioned by any given character whenever someone brings up the threat level that Hydra possess to the world, global security, or even targets that Hydra would want to start working on taking out.

Now, I've heard some explain on how it's possible that given the fact that the Avengers may not have reassembled with each other as of yet, no one would think about them as a potential ally/threat...which is plausible, but some of the members within the group are formidable individuals on their own as well.

I mean I know the show has to find its own footing and all, but considering that this is still of part the MCU, I just find it jarring on how the Avengers are sometimes talked about as if they're already gone and no longer on Earth, hence not something worth thinking about.

Heck, I was surprised that Phil showed no reaction to hearing about Captain America's role in taking down SHIELD, let alone when the news report said he was missing considering on how much of a fanboy he is of his.

I think the only times that I remember hearing about one of the Avengers being referenced when they should have been mentioned was back where Skye had asked Coulson to consult with Thor about the Asgardian artifact that they had discovered or when Maria Hill was shown talking to Pepper Potts on how Tony's lawyers were protecting her.

But aside from that, especially when Hydra is concerned, they don't seem to be either worried nor care about what the Avengers (or any one of them) could do that would pose a problem to them, let alone Phil thinking that his group is the only measure towards combating against Hydra.

 

[Zarex]

Because the constant references to Romanoff, Barton , Fury, Extremis, Gamma radiation and Thor's biceps during the first year were extremely annoying and detracted from the actual program. It was as if the creators lacked confidence in what they were doing and felt the need to remind viewers that "Hey, we are a part of this other thing that you like!!"

I loved the crossovers involving Fury, Hill, Sitwell and Sif, and I hope we get a few more this year. I would love to get an update on Starlord's grandpa. But AOS desperately needed separation from the MCU films, and with Whitehall, the Dr. (Zabo?), Blizzard, The Absorbing Man and Mockingbird already making strong impressions, the show can now stand on its own.

 

[JtoDaP]

Well true questions. LEt me awnser your question with another question:
Why doesnt one of the hundreds of heroes ever help in any comicbook heroe who is in trouble with a villain at any point?

 

[Marvel]

Because the constant references to Romanoff, Barton , Fury, Extremis, Gamma radiation and Thor's biceps during the first year were extremely annoying and detracted from the actual program. It was as if the creators lacked confidence in what they were doing and felt the need to remind viewers that "Hey, we are a part of this other thing that you like!!"

I loved the crossovers involving Fury, Hill, Sitwell and Sif, and I hope we get a few more this year. I would love to get an update on Starlord's grandpa. But AOS desperately needed separation from the MCU films, and with Whitehall, the Dr. (Zabo?), Blizzard, The Absorbing Man and Mockingbird already making strong impressions, the show can now stand on its own.

I so agree with this. This show stands tall on its own. The little Man-Thing and Hell Cow mentions are good enough for me at this point. I also have every confidence that once 2015 gets here Ultron related material will find it's way on to the show. We don't need it at this point at all.

 

[Mike Murdock]

References to Stark taking on global security in the background were fine late in the season because they were relevant to the show's narrative. Did SHIELD have a purpose after Triskelion fell and they became outlaws and Stark took over? At the end of the season, it seemed they were saying yes, it did, as long as it was rebuilt and done right. That Stark reference served a useful purpose for the show's story.

Quite a few other references were just name dropping and completely unnecessary.

 

[Herolee10]

Well to be honest, I'm not asking for the show to constantly reference them. Like you guys said earlier, it wasn't exactly one of the show's greatest strengths in the early days of Season 1.

However, I only bring it up because with Hydra now an active threat, I just find it weird on how no one (Hydra or SHIELD) act as though the Avengers aren't a variable to what Hydra (or any other global threat) plans to do to the world.

The show, starting from this season especially, treats it as though Coulson's team is the only line of defense against Hydra.

 

[therealhitman]

I think of the Avengers in this scenario (vs. HYDRA, AIM, Centipede etc.) as being the wrong tools for the job. They are the Sherman Tank to roll over and pummel the obvious and powerful threat of an Annihilus or Thanos or (please Gawd, please) In-Betweener level threat.
Coulson and Co. are much more suited for the selective rooting out of hidden HYDRA cells, like a dachsund digging out badgers.

Wait...did I just compare SHIELD to Weiner Dogs and call the Avengers tools?

 

[Avid Avenger]

I loved the little references in the first season as it did kinda solidify the fact it was the same universe and I almost squealed every time....but I agree the show doesn't need to do that anymore.

This season we've only had reference to Fury and that's it....means whenever there is another reference to another Avenger, it has a slightly bigger impact.

 

[Lilbaz]

What would they call them for? They are meant to be Shield. It is there job to protect the world from threats such as Hydra. They can't be calling in the big boys for every little thing.
We got to get an alien artifact out of a military base. We better call Thor. What do you mean he hasn't got a cell phone?

They are meant to be covert spies. Undercover and hiding from the government. You don't call in the most famous people on the planet unless it's world threatening.

 

[Comics]

After Cap 2, the Avengers will, more then likely, not want anything to do with SHIELD.

 

[DrCosmic]

Because the constant references to Romanoff, Barton , Fury, Extremis, Gamma radiation and Thor's biceps during the first year were extremely annoying and detracted from the actual program. It was as if the creators lacked confidence in what they were doing and felt the need to remind viewers that "Hey, we are a part of this other thing that you like!!"

I loved the crossovers involving Fury, Hill, Sitwell and Sif, and I hope we get a few more this year. I would love to get an update on Starlord's grandpa. But AOS desperately needed separation from the MCU films, and with Whitehall, the Dr. (Zabo?), Blizzard, The Absorbing Man and Mockingbird already making strong impressions, the show can now stand on its own.

This. It was a complaint during the first season.

The fact that they don't call for help should be addressed, with something other than 'comics don't make sense, why should we?'

 

[CardinalRed]

Either they want to distance this series from The Avengers films, or there are copyright issues preventing their mention.

 

[Avid Avenger]

It's definitely not copyright issues.

 

[CardinalRed]

It's definitely not copyright issues.

ABC isn't affiliated with Disney though, is it?

 

[Demileto]

ABC isn't affiliated with Disney though, is it?

Yes, it is.

 

[CardinalRed]

Yes, it is.

Ok, I did not know that.

 

[Herolee10]

The whole "you don't see them asking for help in the comics" excuse is somewhat if a poor excuse and just plain lazy writing imho.

I'm not saying that they should seek out the help of the avengers for every matter and case they come across upon. I'm only questioning as to why they treat it where both shield and hydra don't treat the avengers as a variable when it comes to hydra's plans for world domination.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The Avengers aren't really on speed dial and I'm not sure they know about Hydra's continued threat. In addition to that, SHIELD needs to keep a low profile and can't really trust anyone. Finally (although this one kind of needs to actually be justified), Coulson isn't revealing himself to the Avengers.

All combined, I think it's unrealistic to expect the Avengers to help them with this. I'd argue that SHIELD's justification for continued existence is they deal with the problems the Avengers won't.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I saw a clip from tomorrow's episode(I think) where Talbot was talking about the Chitauri invasion and the Avengers.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Because nothing new is happening for them to reference in the cinematic universe. Just wait til Ultron is here, there will be name drops everywhere

 

[psylockolussus]

The name dropping just happened in season 2 episode 6.

 

[Super Jim]

Didn't Mockingbird reference Barton last night when talking about Scarlotti?

 

[Lilbaz]

The police don't call in Swat for every crime. The Avengers have only ever been used once. This due to an alien invasion.

Cap/Black Widow/Fury/Hill no longer work for Shield.
Thor is an alien. Don't think he has a mobile.
Do you really want to call in the Hulk? They dealt with Absorbing man the only damage being a blown up car. What would the damage have been if they called in the Hulk?
Who knows what Hawkeye is doing? On the run, working for Shield? Helping Fury?
Tony is developing a new robot that will make the world secure and there wont be need for Shield/Armies or Police. Maybe he thinks it's more important than a bunch of Hydra agents hiding around the world. Which Shield doesn't seem to want to attack yet as they knew the location of one of their bases bt only sent in covert operatives.

But the real reason they are not using the Avengers is because they are busy filming Age Of Ultron.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Didn't Mockingbird reference Barton last night when talking about Scarlotti?

It might have been with Scarlotti. She certainly mentioned him, but I immediately forgot the quote or context.

 

[Demileto]

It might have been with Scarlotti. She certainly mentioned him, but I immediately forgot the quote or context.

She said that Scarlotti almost killed Barton a year ago.