Why do married people get more priveledges than ordinary couples?

[November Rain]

What's so special about two people being married which means they should be entitled to certain things and benefits that ordinary couples shouldn't.

It's not like they are more likely to stay together or married couples have less problems or more loving relationships or are more likely to raise children.

so why the benefits?

 

[AllThingsComic]

Because we have signed into a binding contract, we have taken that extra step. We can not just walk away as cleanly as a non-married couple.

 

[Erzengel]

My gf would love my benefits.

But let's say that they gave gf's medical benefits? Couldn't you in theory just have a female friend who you aren't involved in posing at your gf, and maybe just using your address?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Great Question, NR.

Also, you've reminded me of how gross, bigoted and wrong-headed people are who try to justify their opposition to gay marriage by saying that it would somehow tarnish the sanctity of the institution.

So, the Lesbian couple I know, who've been together for 20+ years, would befoul the concept of marriage.....but they're all for Britney Spears being able to legally marry her friend for a little over a day and then have it anulled....'cause that preserves the sanctity like crazy.

 

[Darthphere]

Great Question, NV.

Also, you've reminded me of how gross, bigoted and wrong-headed people are who try to justify their opposition to gay marriage by saying that it would somehow tarnish the sanctity of the institution.

So, the Lesbian couple I know, who've been together for 20+ years, would befoul the concept of marriage.....but they're all for Britney Spears being able to legally marry her friend for a little over a day and then have it anulled....'cause that preserves the sanctity like crazy.

Liz Taylor pretty much undid the sanctity of marriage herself.

 

[AllThingsComic]

I forget which comedian said it, but it's true, gays have just as much right to be miserable as I do!!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Liz Taylor pretty much undid the sanctity of marriage herself.

She ate the sanctity of marriage.

 

[Darthphere]

She ate the sanctity of marriage.

And then turned it into Diamonds perfume.

 

[November Rain]

Because we have signed into a binding contract, we have taken that extra step. We can not just walk away as cleanly as a non-married couple.

perhaps not as cleanly but still.

Does this contract mean that your love is any greater than people who haven't gotten married.

I kinda of see it as perhaps having Qualifications of Love (same way you are entitled to apply for a job if you have the required qualifications) and that notion just kinda doesn't settle well with me.

marriage is always a personal preference, should people be penalised for not going through with it?

 

[November Rain]

My gf would love my benefits.

But let's say that they gave gf's medical benefits? Couldn't you in theory just have a female friend who you aren't involved in posing at your gf, and maybe just using your address?

this happens with marriage all the time...

people who get married for visas, green cards etc...

ring any bells?


I don't see what's wrong with people just registering with the appropriate authorities who their next of kin is (or partner) and leaving that as that, with a system that one can update. If you wish to marry then fair enough, if you wish to screw over your current partner by giving your inheritance to your first love, then you should be free to do that also (providing there aren't any children raising issues involved).

 

[AllThingsComic]

perhaps not as cleanly but still.

Does this contract mean that your love is any greater than people who haven't gotten married.

I kinda of see it as perhaps having Qualifications of Love (same way you are entitled to apply for a job if you have the required qualifications) and that notion just kinda doesn't settle well with me.

marriage is always a personal preference, should people be penalised for not going through with it?

I understand your side of the debate, and for a while, a long while, I swore I would never marry. I am not saying that married love is greater, but to commit yourself into that institute(funny choice of words, huh) is taking it to the next step, you're for a better choice of words, making it "legal" in the eyes of the gov't. I mean this is just my best guess, I could be totally wrong?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Someone should explain how 2 people promising to live together and be monogamous has any beneficial effect on me, or on society.

Plenty of married couples never have children. Plenty have children that they abuse. Plenty exist where one of the parents just takes off, or they are divorced and one of them neglects to pay child support....

Since there really is no meaning to the promise to stay together, since any time keeping the promise becomes unpleasant, they can just break it......I see no reason to give them any benefits.

There are people who have lived together "IN SIN " for decades, and people who get married for a week or so......and, as Erzengel said, my roommate was all set to "marry" our friend to get medical benefits...(sadly she got married in real life, for love, before he got the chance, but...)


Silly world.

 

[AllThingsComic]

I can't speak for others, I just knew she was the right one for me. We've been together 11 years (9 before we married) and it just was part of the next stage in life for us?

 

[Erzengel]

this happens with marriage all the time...

people who get married for visas, green cards etc...

ring any bells?


I don't see what's wrong with people just registering with the appropriate authorities who their next of kin is (or partner) and leaving that as that, with a system that one can update. If you wish to marry then fair enough, if you wish to screw over your current partner by giving your inheritance to your first love, then you should be free to do that also (providing there aren't any children raising issues involved).

Yes there are people who marry for visas and green cards but for sake of this discussion you are mentioning long standing couples. I won't even go into the gay/lesbian aspect of this.

How can one document a non marriage relationship? Yes we've been together for 5 years now. Really do you have any proof of this. Yes I have this napkin that I saved from the first date.

You know how many times I'd have to run to the authorities to change who my gf was? Seriously, you have a friend who has a job but no benefits and she needs to see a dentist. How easy would it be just to say, oh yeah we're together, sign here and here, and yeah forward all her mail to your house?

 

[maxwell's demon]

whoah whoah whoah.....


i get more privileges now?!!?


why didnt anyone tell me!?

 

[November Rain]

I can't speak for others, I just knew she was the right one for me. We've been together 11 years (9 before we married) and it just was part of the next stage in life for us?

you misunderstand...

This really isn't an anti-marriage thread as such...

If you wish to get married, then it should be your choice.

Saying this, i don't necessarily think people who get married should be entitled to extra benefits than those people who are in a similar position but do not (or are unable to) go through with the proceedings.

 

[AllThingsComic]

you misunderstand...

This really isn't an anti-marriage thread as such...

If you wish to get married, then it should be your choice.

Saying this, i don't necessarily think people who get married should be entitled to extra benefits than those people who are in a similar position but do not (or are unable to) go through with the proceedings.

Oh yeah, I understand completely and find this a very fascinating thread, my reply was geared more towards Wilhelm.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I had a dream last night where I kept running in to Angelina Jolie and we would make out, but right when I'd start to get her clothes off, Brad Pitt would appear and just stand there looking at me like I was a nuisance and I'd say, " SOrry, Brad." and stop.

 

[AllThingsComic]

LOL why stop, isn't that what he pretty much did to Jennifer Aniston?

 

[maxwell's demon]

I had a dream last night where I kept running in to Angelina Jolie and we would make out, but right when I'd start to get her clothes off, Brad Pitt would appear and just stand there looking at me like I was a nuisance and I'd say, " SOrry, Brad." and stop.

I had that EXACT same dream a few weeks ago except replace brad pitt with my then-fiancee now-wife! seriously

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It was a DREAM!

 

[November Rain]

Yes there are people who marry for visas and green cards but for sake of this discussion you are mentioning long standing couples. I won't even go into the gay/lesbian aspect of this.

How can one document a non marriage relationship? Yes we've been together for 5 years now. Really do you have any proof of this. Yes I have this napkin that I saved from the first date.

You know how many times I'd have to run to the authorities to change who my gf was? Seriously, you have a friend who has a job but no benefits and she needs to see a dentist. How easy would it be just to say, oh yeah we're together, sign here and here, and yeah forward all her mail to your house?

well those green cards and visas are technically priveledges, especially to long standing couples who perhaps aren't both based in the same country (consider students who fell in love but had to return to their country of origin after their visas expired but still continued dating).

alright, what you are talking here (if i can sum it up) is the convinience of entitling married people with proof of their relationship, the fact that it is hard to perhaps trust other people (non-married people) with their stories about their relationships and also people taking advantage of the system.


ok let's look at it this way. Instead of trying to give non-married people the same amount of benefits, then why don't we take away those from married couples? So everyone is back to square one, i.e. every man woman and child for themselves, nothing is taken for granted, everything needs to be dealt with individual.

Thus taking the state out of marriage and returning it to one which is in the eyes of both parties and their respective deities (if they have one).

 

[AllThingsComic]

well those green cards and visas are technically priveledges, especially to long standing couples who perhaps aren't both based in the same country (consider students who fell in love but had to return to their country of origin after their visas expired but still continued dating).

alright, what you are talking here (if i can sum it up) is the convinience of entitling married people with proof of their relationship, the fact that it is hard to perhaps trust other people (non-married people) with their stories about their relationships and also people taking advantage of the system.


ok let's look at it this way. Instead of trying to give non-married people the same amount of benefits, then why don't we take away those from married couples? So everyone is back to square one, i.e. every man woman and child for themselves, nothing is taken for granted, everything needs to be dealt with individual.

Thus taking the state out of marriage and returning it to one which is in the eyes of both parties and their respective deities (if they have one).

I have to disagree here for one reason, what if a couple has a child and one chooses to remain home with the child and becomes a stay-at-home Mom/Dad? Should this person have to suffer with a toothache or any other illness because they choose to not have a stranger care for thier child?

 

[maxwell's demon]

It was a DREAM!

am i correct in presuming that reply was meant for ATC?

 

[Darren Daring]

What's so special about two people being married which means they should be entitled to certain things and benefits that ordinary couples shouldn't.

It's not like they are more likely to stay together or married couples have less problems or more loving relationships or are more likely to raise children.

so why the benefits?

Married people are more likely to have children, whihc means more Americans, whihc means more soldiers in the fight agisnt communism.