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Wasn't Gambit from th' 80s? Late 80s, but still.
Symbiotica said:Not to mention all the people bleating "OH BUT HE HAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!" have never read the two staples of Carnage character development, "Mindbomb" and "It's a Wonderful Life." Those are all the character development he needs, really.
However even were that not the case, I am not one of these elitists who insist on knowing whether their favorite character was conceived on a Tuesday that happened to be a night of the full moon, or whatever. Some things are fun just because they're fun. Michael Myers was fun; he became un-fun when we got 50 Halloween sequels attempting to give him backstory. Every now and then, even in real life, you get a killing-machine born into the family of Man. They don't need a reason, they had great childhoods... they just like to inflict suffering. Chaos is their favorite thing.
Symbiotica said:The main reason Carnage is hated is because its seen as the "in" thing to do. Then the person doing the hating will turn right around and tell you how much they love Kraven, or some other unspeakably stupid villainous has-been. Yeah, I'm convinced.
Not to mention all the people bleating "OH BUT HE HAS NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!" have never read the two staples of Carnage character development, "Mindbomb" and "It's a Wonderful Life." Those are all the character development he needs, really.
However even were that not the case, I am not one of these elitists who insist on knowing whether their favorite character was conceived on a Tuesday that happened to be a night of the full moon, or whatever. Some things are fun just because they're fun. Michael Myers was fun; he became un-fun when we got 50 Halloween sequels attempting to give him backstory. Every now and then, even in real life, you get a killing-machine born into the family of Man. They don't need a reason, they had great childhoods... they just like to inflict suffering. Chaos is their favorite thing.
To enjoy Carnage you have to be willing to relax and go with the flow, because what he's telling you really *is* insane. That doesn't go down well with our overly-analytical types. Some people get it, some don't.
Me, I like it like that. Hate Carnage? Fine. Go read about the X-Men or something.
bulok said:Wasn't Carnage abused by nuns? anyways, you just explained it best with your Michael Myers comparison. Carnage when he first came out was fine, he was this psycho naked dude talking to a doll like he's some little kid which totally creeped Spidey out.
Cyclops said:Don'tcha think that saying Carnage and The Joker are in the same league is kinda exaggerating? Carnage is no Joker, if you ask me.
Silver Sable said:Your right.Both are crazy but have different behaviors
Cyclops said:Don'tcha think that saying Carnage and The Joker are in the same league is kinda exaggerating? Carnage is no Joker, if you ask me.
LobokDaikon said:I don't think they're saying the two are in the same league, only that the common criticism against Carnage could be applied to Joker, as well. What is Joker's motivation, how he has grown, or changed? We don't even know how he came to be, as The Killing Joke is only a possible origin. His gimmick might be more entertaining, but is there actually more depth?
And really, it's not like most villains have much character development anyway. Plus, for the most part, the stories and flashbacks that have fleshed out the classic villains we know of today came about many years after.
....well if your looking at it in the sense... would carnage defeat the joker....cletus would mop the floor with the joker...if uve read the batman/spiderman compilation then u can see carnage actually easily slips his symbiote up carnages nose and gives him some form of labotomy which he is able to control him...and beyond that, carnage has the symbiote period....also in that comic batman went toe to toe with carnage and whooped his ass which is a little un accurate considering the fight was purely physicalVile said:Carnage couldnt touch Joker on his BEST DAY.
Carnage was a flash in the pan - Joker is forever.
bulok said:Joker went crazy after one horrible day in his life. Lost his baby, lost his wife and was used as a pawn by a crime lord.
Cletus is a cheap, pumped up Joker wannabe. They're not in the same league. Joker is actually fun to read.
You know nothing about Carnage and his story. I suggest reading : Carnage:Mindbomb.bulok said:Joker went crazy after one horrible day in his life. Lost his baby, lost his wife and was used as a pawn by a crime lord.
Cletus is a cheap, pumped up Joker wannabe. They're not in the same league. Joker is actually fun to read.