Why doesn't Marvel make meaningful movies?

[Gamma Ray]

Most of their movies (save for Hulk) are very one dimensional and involve little character development. The thing is, though, that all of these comics explore their characters in great depth and there is not a lack of story to write. Is it simply because their audience will accept nothing less than a mile a minute action or are they just unwilling to do more than lame action movies?

 

[chiefchirpa]

Marvel only make 2 movies: IM and TIH. The rest are outsourced to studios. Also I don't think IM is one-dimensional, seeing many people love RDJ's Tony Stark more than any versions of Banner.

So that's 2/2 for Marvel. See if they can do 3/3 with IM 2 and 4/4 with Thor. Again, the studio movies don't count because although Marvel has very little involvement on it although I dig the Spider-Man series.

 

[rogue trooper]

I wouldn't call Spider-Man(1 and 2), X-men(1 and 2), Iron Man, and Incredible Hulk one-dimentional.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Joe Johnson is what I call a one dimensional hire. He has a lot to improve, but he knows that and might just deliver. Branagh is not a one dimensional hire by any stretch, but maybe he'll change his style to suit a Marvel tentpole so that remains to be seen. I do think IM and TIH were pretty straightforward formulaic films, as probably will be the case for IM2, but they are still entertaining and that's what it's all about. You want deep films maybe that will suit a Dr. Strange or a second tier character like that. Hulk should have a lot more depth though I agree with that.

 

[Red Mask]

I don't see how most of Marvel's films were meaningless. Heavy character development alone isn't instrumental to a meaningful story. One the last good films I watched was the "Shinjuku Incident". Many characters didn't get a lot of character development, but the overall plot of the story is what makes it worthwhile.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I have thought all of the movies labeled "Marvel" have had some kind of attempt (success or fail) at character development.

 

[GL1]

Most movies period are one dimensional. Most marvel movies have had character development, some quite respectably.

 

[E-Man]

To each their own, but the Spider-man trilogy has probably brought more character progression to the screen than any other comic series. If you've seen those three movies, do you really not know who Peter, Harry, MJ, and Aunt May are? Looking at other Marvel films, Iron Man was heavily character driven. It may be the most character driven comic film to date(still haven't seen Watchmen yet, but I'm watching it tonight). Daredevil had flaws, but it did a good job of pushing Matt Murdock forward as a person and hero. The X-Men films are bad with character development, but Wolverine has definitely shown that we can get close to a character in that series.

 

[topdog1]

I wouldn't call Spider-Man(1 and 2), X-men(1 and 2), Iron Man, and Incredible Hulk one-dimentional.

No kidding. All of those films are complex and outclass every other comic adaptation EVER (save Nolan's batfilms). Not sure if I want to laugh at this thread or pity the creator of it.

 

[El Payaso]

I wouldn't call Spider-Man(1 and 2), X-men(1 and 2), Iron Man, and Incredible Hulk one-dimentional.

I'd call Spiderman 1 one-dimentional with no problem. And X2 entertaining but with a character development based mostly on the repetition of the same things we saw in X1.

Hulk and Spiderman 2 were good (S-M2 had some serious character development even when it had a lot of that successful crappy humour too). Iron Man was very good and TIH was... well, good enough.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

marvel only make 2 movies: Im and tih. The rest are outsourced to studios. Also i don't think im is one-dimensional, seeing many people love rdj's tony stark more than any versions of banner.

So that's 2/2 for marvel. See if they can do 3/3 with im 2 and 4/4 with thor. Again, the studio movies don't count because although marvel has very little involvement on it although i dig the spider-man series.

qft

 

[Hypestyle]

I'd like to see some marvel animated shorts based on their characters.. looks like a Jonah Hex short will be included on a future DC animation release..

 

[Fresh Prince]

Marvel has better movies then DC.

 

[Sawyer]

Marvel has more movies then DC.

Fixed.

 

[Docker2.0]

No kidding. All of those films are complex and outclass every other comic adaptation EVER (save Nolan's batfilms). Not sure if I want to laugh at this thread or pity the creator of it.

QFT! And Marvel does have better and more movies than DC becuase DC only leans on Batman and Superman. Superman 1&2, BB, BM89, BR, and TDK and really all that DC movies had going for them. While Marvel has had SM 1&2, XM 1&2, TIH, IM, Blade 1&2...............and some more I can't think of. But really Marvel studios have only made 2 movies.

 

[Eggyman]

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I'm thinking it's a good thing that you've only posted twice.

 

[Sundancer]

The only contemporary Marvel character movies I consider one dimensional are the Blade series, TIH, and the Punisher movies.....and I liked them all except for Blade 3.

Ensemble movies like X-men are hard to pull off with character development.

 

[storyteller]

I honestly dont agree with that assessment of dimensional. Your saying that if a person is a loner he's two dimensional and if a person is quirky he's 3 dimensional. I think dimensionality is about the plot. Also what do you mean by meaningful? Dont confuse story types with meaningful. You can have a fun meaningful story and a depressing meaningful story.

 

[Johnny Drama]

Most of their movies (save for Hulk) are very one dimensional and involve little character development. The thing is, though, that all of these comics explore their characters in great depth and there is not a lack of story to write. Is it simply because their audience will accept nothing less than a mile a minute action or are they just unwilling to do more than lame action movies?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Spider-Man is the complete opposite of one dimensional. They evolved a lot through out the films and the directing was amazing. The reason why those movies suck (In my opinion) is the cheesy writing, the bad acting and the fact that Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire are terrible choices for MJ and PP. X-Men 1 and 2, Iron Man and TIH are perfect examples of ever changing and evolving characters balanced with good writing, directing and acting. Changing characters doesn't make a good movie. Look at Hulk (Ang Lee's), look at Superman Returns and look at Spider-Man 3 (you might like these movies but try to level with me and understand why I would be saying this).

 

[Docker2.0]

Great post A-M!! Surprising becuase you are known for smart ass comments but still..............

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Uh... thanks?

 

[ultimatefan]

Just because most Marvel movies don´t pretend to be European art films, doesn´t mean they have little character development. Movies like the first two Spider-Man and Iron Man had at least as much, if not more character development than Hulk, they just follow more the pace of a summer popcorn blockbuster, which, depth and development aside, still is what they are.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I don't know if I agree with this at all. Maybe Marvel doesn't throw this moral or ethical code in your face but it does have underlined elements in all its movies.

X-men has the civil rights ethics. Just bc we are different shouldn't make you afraid.

Hulk is that inner monster in all of us and whether or not it can be controlled. Teen age angst and control.

Iron Man is someone who took advantage and for granted his situation and when his weapons ended up in others hands he needed to take on the duty of protecting his people. Maturity and ethical issues of America's military choices.

Spider-Man had the "with great power comes great responsibility". Cliche...maybe. But when you are given a gift and do not use it to the fullest you are wasting your ability. Not to mention one must stand up to the pressure even if he is just a kid.

 

[KenK]

The only contemporary Marvel character movies I consider one dimensional are the Blade series, TIH, and the Punisher movies.....and I liked them all except for Blade 3.

I actually thought the first Blade at least, had great character development. If most people want to look at it as just a straightforward action movie, that's fine. But I saw a lot of underlying themes and struggles for Blade as a character, and even Goyer confirmed in interviews, a lot of thoughts I had about the film from the first time I saw it. The whole class structure of the vampires, allusions to racism and Blade essentially being bi-racial if you really want to get down to it. When faced with the choice at the end of the movie of being completely human, Blade essentially says "screw that, I'm both". Even going into Blade 2, you have Blade far more comfortable with who he is, and when he finally has some emotional connection with anyone other than Whistler, it's with another vampire. Yes, this argument could be obliterated by the fact that he's still all about killing vampires, but there was always that question of whether or not he was justified his crusade. And going back to vampires functioning as their own society, at least in the first two films, the "vampire nation" as it were, wasn't the main villain, but instead someone who threatened their goals, and also posed an immediate threat to humanity, making them a more pressing enemy for Blade. In the case of Blade 2, I think it takes things even deeper considering the reapers were an enemy the vampire nation inadvertantly created. Their plans never seemed like devious schemes of world domination, just survival. The pure blood vampires in control were shown to frown upon the behavior of vampires who had been turned, who just thought they could do, and kill whoever they wanted without consequence.

But yeah, Blade Trinity just made no goddamn sense.