Why doesn't the black suit in 3 look like the black suit in the comics?

[James L Howlett]

 

[Spider-Bite]

Lazy? They completely re-designed the new suit. It may look like the old one at first sight, but it's actually amazing. The black fabric has a wet look that is just visually stunning, the brick pattern has been completely re-done and is now raised and almost metallic, the webbing is a new color and the spiders are all new. Lazy? Not even close.

chances are people worked their asses off to make this costume. a lot harder than they would have worked to just make it look plain black. that would be lazy actually.

and besides who is the lazy ones? the people making the costume are taking orders from their superiors. and their superiors could care less how much work it is. they only care about how it looks.

so really how is anybody veing lazy here?

 

[Spider-Bite]

none of these costume designs have to do with laziness. that's just a ******ed thing to say.

oince again who are we calling lazy? is it raimi? he's not the one making the suits or even the designs. is it the people making the costumes? they are just following orders from superiors.

green goblin's costume as well as this symbiote costume are probably for marketing reasons, decided by SONY. Think about it. I fmarvel wants to release a statue, a toy, a poster they are allowed to use the look from the original coimics without giving sony a penny. but if somebody wants to make a poster that looks like movie goblin, movie venom, movie black spidey, then guess who gets a big huge piece of the pie?

now that all these ******ed theories of laziness have had some intelligence shined on them, then maybe they will stop talking like idiots.

 

[James L Howlett]

Anything Sony comes up with no matter if it is a complete departure or similar they will make money off it. For example if they were the ones to come up with that manip they would own the rights to that design because while it still resembles the comic version it still is different.

The spider is white yes, but smaller & does not wrap around his costume (which is still the same suit with the same texture). His eyes are white yes, but retain the Oakley style. The webs have been photo shopped out, (among other things).

As I have mentioned earlier money, R&D, bias (both Sony, & Rami) had to do with it.

 

[Bullseye]

I will gladly answer this question.

Not everything in the comics can be replicated on to the films.
For example, imagine seeing Wolverine in yellow spandex on film. That would NOT work at all.

What were looking at in comics are pictures. Most of the costumes will not fair well when superheroes are transitioned to the big screen.

And some times the comic's adapt from the superhero movies.

 

[James L Howlett]

People will have opinions about it, some think it stinks, some on the fence, & some love it. Much like the Superman suit, which in pictures looks like doo doo, but some like it. They made it & we are stuck with it, those who hate it do not have to like it & those who do, do not have to justify it to those who do not.

 

[James L Howlett]

That is a copout to give the studios a reason to give themselves creative license & distort the character in a way they think will suit their interest best. The more original the idea (however distinctive or not) from the original characters, the greater the recognition they get for their company from that character (as described above in another post).

No one is saying (at least me) it should look exactly like the comic, just recognizable with it other then just BLACK. Sure, the spider is different, but not by much. I just hope that they at least stick to a similar (comic feel) look when Venom acquires it.

 

[James L Howlett]

The same thing with Spider-Man’s normal costume in the movie. It is not a complete departure from the books yet resembles it almost to a T. There still is no answer as to how he acquired it, but it still looks recognizable yet not off the wall like some goofy dude that fly’s around that we all know or metrosexual mutants in tight vinyl with NO distinction.

We all seem to forget what made these characters popular enough to even warrant a movie or other such nonsense.

Exactly like the comics, sure may or may not work but have you ever seen it done or DONE RIGHT! The Flash TV series was a good example of creating a recognizable form of The Flash that stayed true (for the most part to his comic counter part).

A black version of the same suit & bent legs is not.

Like I said we all like what we like, nuff said.

 

[TheVileOne]

They changed the spider emblem pretty clearly.

This is a dead argument. It's like still complaining about yellow spandex for the X-men movies.

The Flash TV series didn't last longer than one season.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think the black costume looks better than the comic book version. and I think harry osborn's costume is awful.

 

[James L Howlett]

Due to it’s time slot & network, CBS at that time catered to a VERY mature crowd that is why. Great shows are always cancelled, while one hit wonders & quick buck churn-over reality shows are still made in their stead.

I never said anything about yellow spandex, you guy’s sure do like to use supposition to fuel your arguments. I never said EXACTLY like the comics just a closer representation, PERIOD!

In addition, no they did not change it quite clearly, they will more then likely use close-ups to show its change. Which there is nothing wrong with that, but if that is the only way, then there is. If it in some way resembled the comics & stayed with the continuity of the movie then that would be even better. He could be swinging & land at a distance while prowling with a gleaming, scaly, slimy white spider on his back.

An other example would be Spider-Man hiding in the dark as an enemy walks by & an over the shoulder camera shot shows the audience the dark corner with a menacing shaded white spider about to attack.

Everything that comes out of all our mouths is an opinion anyway, neither will accept the justification of another.

Like I said we all like what we like, nuff said.

 

[James L Howlett]

I agree with you on the Osborn costume, it lacks the menace of the goblin & more of a DUUUUUDDDDDEEEEE! That was some fly (literally) powder man!

 

[TheVileOne]

Good God. So they altered the look of the black costume. Big deal. Maybe they tried the original look and it didn't work very well.

You can be a whiney baby about it and not see the movie. But the only person you punish is yourself. I think the poll proved that the majority of fans like the costume.

 

[James L Howlett]

Did I not just point out to each is own. If you do not like it then do not post. I did not insult you so quit insulting me, slick. I point out some valid concerns & opinions. That have no counter point, other then “well I think it is better then the comics”.

Not to mention the question about the explanation to how Peter acquired his suit, this has yet to be addressed.

Therefore, mine or any like-minded person who wanted a venom closer to the comic version should not have to have an answer as to why it resembles the comic either.

I am not the majority I am my own person, the majority liked SR, but I think it was crapsingertastic like many others. People have opinions & they do not have to conform to the majority if that is okay with you.

If you think its great then I am happy for you, but do not expect every one to like it.

I will however like Venom IF he stays close to his origin. I just don’t have to like the spidey version. Ummmkay!

I did not say I would not like or see the movie, I just do not like the symbiote suit. Sam Rami has been my hero since Evil Dead, but not everything he does I have to like.

 

[ZER0C00L]

they changed it for no good reason.

 

[AmazingSpidey]

Hmmmmm!? The black suit in the film took a little getting used to...but it makes sense for his red/blue suit to just change black when the symbiote merged with it! Why they made the spider symbols change is beyond me, but whatever!
As far as Harry is concerned, maybe we need to see more. I mean who knows, maybe they won't reveal his final look until the last scene of the movie or something. I really like the comic version Black suit, but we all know the superhero movies never totally follow the comics because of the much larger fan base they reach and want to appeal to, not to mention that only comic book fans will know the comic version story or concept!
I mean will they do a clone saga or a Carnage film or something featuring the Iron Spidey suit?!
And what about the Black Cat!!?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm sure some guys like you are going to be ***** to Sam Raimi at Comic Con and asked him why they changed it. And he will probably make them look like idiots.

 

[superkong 500]

I just have a question. You know I have heard all kinds of discussions about theblack suit,if its done right or not, if the webs look good on it or not so forth, but I havent heard anyone yet saying that the suit isnt actually black. I mean in the shots we see in the trailer for most of the time it looks black, but the last shot in which we see a close-up of cgi spidey in the black suit,the suit its clearly dark grey and not black,we haven't seen the suit yet in a daytime shot,and I just hope that the suit really looks black most of the time. It kind of worries me that the suit ends up having shades of grey without no good reason,I can understand the webs because peter has the suit when the symbiote crawls on him,but the suit being greyish because of the red blue suit is underneath that would be bull**** and total nonsense without any logical explanation.I would like to know your thoughts on this.

 

[James L Howlett]

It may more or less be the lighting, but in some of the production photos & that scene with him & The Sandman your right it is dark gray. My only other guess would be that the actual suit is dark gray & they may use cgi & lighting effects to create the rest to give a darker more slicker appearance.

We will just have to wait & see. I just hope they do not screw with the Venom costume to much. At least they can save some face with that if they do it right.

As for the girl who keeps insulting me, please come up with some intelligent discussion like the more recent posts or take a walk. I do not plan to go to the comic con or any such event at this time, I will be busy putting on the muscle, riding the Harley & banging the misses, but you go ahead.

As for making anyone look like an idiot, I seriously doubt someone as intelligent as Sam Rami would consider being such an a**, & disregard fans opinions (as long as they’re intelligent ones). Considering he is a fan & would like to hear intelligent reasons as to why they like or dislike it.

I have yet to hear a creditable reason as to why he changed it & do not give me bull about continuity, or because Sony MADE him. Fact is none of us knows & probably will never know & can only speculate as to why. Unless you are SAM RAMI or some one who works with him, NO, that’s what I thought.

It burns doesn’t it, put some aloe on that why don’t ya!

P.S. are you done?

 

[chaseter]

I'm sure some guys like you are going to be ***** to Sam Raimi at Comic Con and asked him why they changed it. And he will probably make them look like idiots.

Most deffinitely...

 

[TheVileOne]

I know some uptight fanboys are going to ask it. And Raimi will give a great and legitimate explanation and make them look like they have egg on their face just like what happened last year.

I've yet to hear a credible reason on why it can't be changed.

 

[James L Howlett]

No one said it can’t, but the people who do not like it have a valid reason why it shouldn’t (for the most part). As a character as recognizable as the symbiote & Venom it makes it a little difficult to understand the drastic change, other than personal preference.

Even non-comic fans can look at a comic & say look that’s Venom, but the same person may look at the movie & say HUH that does not look like the suit I have seen before.

If they had initially used a version of that manip, would you say I hate it & say it should look like his regular costume only black? Probably not & that suit would not only please you but many of the “fanboys”, (you’re a fanboy of something to slick, don’t kid yourself) as well, so don’t pretend to not understand their viewpoint & they won’t mistake you for a comic book fan.

I do not think it has anything to do with the look of the suit from your side of the fence. Rather a fanaticism with the direction of Rami & it would not matter what the suit looked like (obviously to a certain extent) your camp would still like it.

 

[ZER0C00L]

I know some uptight fanboys are going to ask it. And Raimi will give a great and legitimate explanation and make them look like they have egg on their face just like what happened last year.

I've yet to hear a credible reason on why it can't be changed.

oh eat it, whoever can ask whatever the hell they want to Rami to why he changed something that already was done yeeaaars ago.

its just another redo of something that was done. i want someone to ask and i want to hear why.

 

[WebSpinner]

I actually think the change is real cool. It's also a total marketing move as pointed out above. Many Parents won't purchase the same toy twice and even though Venom may have a mouth he's still too similar for many mom and dad wallets out there.

Its like the Ninja Turtle figures however they were all different colors of green and even brown when molded in plastic. It just makes the product a little more diversified. You can also keep in mind young kids who can get mixed up kinda easy. Hell, when I was little I got Keaton's Bruce Wayne and that bumbling fool Alexander Knox mixed up....

I do like the change though. It's quite rad.

 

[WebSpinner]

Also, not that this has anything to do with the costume but I have noticed that I'm only at 50 posts for some reason. I remember having like 600 and some back in like fall 2001 what happened to my post count? I don't really care, just found it a tad odd really.

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