Why hate FOX?

[Project862006]

to be fair bullseye is pretty crazy sometimes he get joker levels of insanity

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Fox has 4 good movies and 6 terrible ones. Congratulations.

Fox has only ever made 10 movies in the history of time?

also, it was a big pile of misogynie and I'll never forgive Vaughn that particular issue.

Wha... ???

Nothing against Jackman, I think he's a great actor doing the best with what they're giving him. Its just that "Yellow Spandex" jab in the first X-men film which was Singer's little "FU" to X-fans at the time is part of what's hurting the X-men franchise. The outfits put @sses in seats. And walking around with a wife beater and subpar claws isn't what superhero's are made of.

That line wasn't an "FU" towards fans...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Fox has only ever made 10 movies in the history of time?

He was obviously talking about Fox's Marvel output, c'mon guy.

That line wasn't an "FU" towards fans...

It was a dig at a common comics trope and a pretty clear indication that on some level Singer still considered comics 'kid's stuff'.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I viewed it a a funny reference.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I viewed it a a funny reference.

That's exactly how I viewed it as well.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I didn't say it wasn't funny but at the same time I can see how it'd rankle some people.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Not me.

I think people need to be looking for something to be upset by in order to get riled up by that.

But then again, we're talking about internet fanboys, and looking for something to be upset by seems to be the MO.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

*shrugs*

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Don't agree.

Who saved Captain Americas butt in Germany?
Who fought Thor?
Who walked ino the briefing and spelled out what the villain was looking for?
Who was the one to talk smack to the supposed leader?
Who was the one to believe in Banner being able to control the beast?
Who was the one to title them The Avengers and face down the villain all alone?
Who was the one who sacrificed himself at the end?

It sure as hell wasn't Captain America the supposed "leader" and main character of the team.

Actually those 3 could be applicable to Cap (as I've already stated). For example, Cap saved Tony's butt in the forest. He also faced Loki, as did many others in the team.

And Cap is always sacrificing himself, so doing so at the end of TA would have meant nothing.

And Cap wasn't the leader of the team. Nobody was. He just gave them orders during battle. They were barely a team until that final battle.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Don't agree.

Who saved Captain Americas butt in Germany?
Who fought Thor?
Who walked ino the briefing and spelled out what the villain was looking for?
Who was the one to talk smack to the supposed leader?
Who was the one to believe in Banner being able to control the beast?
Who was the one to title them The Avengers and face down the villain all alone?
Who was the one who sacrificed himself at the end?

It sure as hell wasn't Captain America the supposed "leader" and main character of the team. He was as main in Avengers as Wolverine was in any X-Men movie.

1. And what's your point??? Everyone saved someone else in the team at one point or another, Cap saved Iron Man from Thor, Hulk saved Iron Man from falling, Widow saved Hawkeye from Loki's mind control.

2. Loki, Hulk, Iron Man, and a bunch of Chitauri. I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this question.

3. Tony Stark, the only one that read and understood Selvig's notes. You really think Cap, Black Widow or anyone else were going to become experts in thermonuclear astrophysics ever, let alone in one night? Banner, the other genius, was about to figure it out.

4. Didn't a lot of people talk smack to Nick Fury? What's your point?

5. Nobody. No one knew his "secret"

6. Nick Fury, see Iron Man 1, after credits scene. Lets see, Nick Fury faced him alone "ant, boot", Hawkeye faced him alone, Cap faced him alone, Iron Man faced him alone, Black Widow faced him alone, Thor faced him alone, and Hulk faced him alone. Again, what's your point?

7. Iron Man, the only one with a com link that could fly. I don't remember Thor being able to communicate with Fury and if Captain America could grow wings outta his ass and fly, I'm sure he would've gone after the nuke.

There was no leader in the Avengers, it was barely a team until the end and even then, Captain America was the one giving orders.

 

[T"Challa]

1. And what's your point??? Everyone saved someone else in the team at one point or another, Cap saved Iron Man from Thor, Hulk saved Iron Man from falling, Widow saved Hawkeye from Loki's mind control.

2. Loki, Hulk, Iron Man, and a bunch of Chitauri. I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this question.

3. Tony Stark, the only one that read and understood Selvig's notes. You really think Cap, Black Widow or anyone else were going to become experts in thermonuclear astrophysics ever, let alone in one night? Banner, the other genius, was about to figure it out.

4. Didn't a lot of people talk smack to Nick Fury? What's your point?

5. Nobody. No one knew his "secret"

6. Nick Fury, see Iron Man 1, after credits scene. Lets see, Nick Fury faced him alone "ant, boot", Hawkeye faced him alone, Cap faced him alone, Iron Man faced him alone, Black Widow faced him alone, Thor faced him alone, and Hulk faced him alone. Again, what's your point?

7. Iron Man, the only one with a com link that could fly. I don't remember Thor being able to communicate with Fury and if Captain America could grow wings outta his ass and fly, I'm sure he would've gone after the nuke.

There was no leader in the Avengers, it was barely a team until the end and even then, Captain America was the one giving orders.

Too much logic bro. Not cool.

 

[SpiderCool]

1. And what's your point??? Everyone saved someone else in the team at one point or another, Cap saved Iron Man from Thor, Hulk saved Iron Man from falling, Widow saved Hawkeye from Loki's mind control.

2. Loki, Hulk, Iron Man, and a bunch of Chitauri. I don't understand the point you're trying to make with this question.

3. Tony Stark, the only one that read and understood Selvig's notes. You really think Cap, Black Widow or anyone else were going to become experts in thermonuclear astrophysics ever, let alone in one night? Banner, the other genius, was about to figure it out.

4. Didn't a lot of people talk smack to Nick Fury? What's your point?

5. Nobody. No one knew his "secret"

6. Nick Fury, see Iron Man 1, after credits scene. Lets see, Nick Fury faced him alone "ant, boot", Hawkeye faced him alone, Cap faced him alone, Iron Man faced him alone, Black Widow faced him alone, Thor faced him alone, and Hulk faced him alone. Again, what's your point?

7. Iron Man, the only one with a com link that could fly. I don't remember Thor being able to communicate with Fury and if Captain America could grow wings outta his ass and fly, I'm sure he would've gone after the nuke.

There was no leader in the Avengers, it was barely a team until the end and even then, Captain America was the one giving orders.

1. They are a good team

2. Don't forget his inner demons.

3. Which briefing was this?

4. Don't do smack.

5. Yes, he already knew to control it the whole time

6. Yes, but Iron Man came up with the "A" on the tower.

7. Excuses.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

6. Yes, but Iron Man came up with the "A" on the tower.

He didn't "come up" with anything. The sign was damaged during the Thor/Loki fight then again later when Loki's chariot crashed. The /A/ was the only part that didn't get destroyed during the battle.

 

[Raiden]

He didn't "come up" with anything. The sign was damaged during the Thor/Loki fight then again later when Loki's chariot crashed. The /A/ was the only part that didn't get destroyed during the battle.

I'm surprised that some people actually assumed that Stark was the one who knocked out all the letters except 'A' on the Stark Tower; seems pretty straight-forward to me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's plain as day. The only way you can miss it is by sleeping or doing your laundry during the movie.

 

[ares834]

In all honesty, Iron Man and, to a lesser extent, Hulk were definitely the heroes who stole the movie. Yes, it wasn't to the extent of Wolverine in the X-Men films, but I feel it is still there.

 

[First Avenger]

Stealing the movie is different than stealing characters'space and story like Wolverine does in the X-Men movies. I think Cap's and Thor's roles in the movie are very underrated,compare that to the likes of Storm's and Cyclops'treatment in the X-trilogy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Stealing the movie is different than stealing characters'space and story like Wolverine does in the X-Men movies. I think Cap's and Thor's roles in the movie are very underrated,compare that to the likes of Storm's and Cyclops'treatment in the X-trilogy.

Exactly. Hannibal Lector stole Silence of the Lambs and he was in the movie like ten minutes.

I would agree that Iron Man and Hulk were the most interesting characters in The Avengers, but that is a far cry from dominating the screentime like Logan does in the X-Men films. Pretty much every Avenger (except Hawkeye) is given an equal amount of stuff to do, and even he doesn't really get shafted. He just is the least important of the six.

Comparing Cap or Thor to Cyclops is laughable. I don't remember Thor getting unceremoniously killed by Loki off-screen during their first confrontation, only for Tony Stark to turn out to be the third and strongest son of Odin who defeats Loki in the end. That would be comparable to what happens in the X-Trilogy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

For the record, I do think that Wolverine should be the lead in the X-Men films. He's the most popular and interesting X-Man. But they go way overboard to the point where it is no longer an ensemble, but Wolverine and his friends.

Just look at the first film. Of the four Brotherhood members, he fights three of them in the third act (Mystique, Sabretooth, and Magneto), and is the one that destroys the machine and saves Rogue. Meanwhile, the rest of the team gets to fight Toad. That's just ridiculous.

 

[SpiderCool]

Well, Prof X fights Magneto... in chess

 

[Duran Man]

Stealing the movie is different than stealing characters'space and story like Wolverine does in the X-Men movies. I think Cap's and Thor's roles in the movie are very underrated,compare that to the likes of Storm's and Cyclops'treatment in the X-trilogy.

If Captain America disappears in the middle of Avengers: Age of Ultron, and is killed off in the first 30 minutes of Avengers 3, then we can liken his treatment to that of Cyclops'.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

For the record, I do think that Wolverine should be the lead in the X-Men films. He's the most popular and interesting X-Man. But they go way overboard to the point where it is no longer an ensemble, but Wolverine and his friends.

Just look at the first film. Of the four Brotherhood members, he fights three of them in the third act (Mystique, Sabretooth, and Magneto), and is the one that destroys the machine and saves Rogue. Meanwhile, the rest of the team gets to fight Toad. That's just ridiculous.

Except that:

1.) Wolverine doesn't destroy the machine until Cyclops takes out Magneto with the optic blast
2.) Despite being the one to fight Sabretooth, it is a team effort between he, Jean Grey, and Cyclops to take out Sabretooth, with Cyclops firing the final shot
3.) Storm defeats Toad

X-Men is plenty "ensemble" in the methods of taking out the Brotherhood.

While X2 is a little more Wolverine centric, due to being a Wolverine centered story with Stryker and the groundwork for Weapon X, it is Storm and Nightcrawler who shut down Cerebro, Jean Grey who brings back Cyclops, and the 2 most memorable scenes in the movie are either Nightcrawler or Jean Grey centric.

X-Men: The Last Stand is where it got bad, with Wolverine getting the Cyclops role in the film, and becoming the motivational leader, but even then, Iceman, Kitty, and Storm all had their moments and their focus time, and it took teamwork from Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, and Beast to take out Magneto, with Beast landing the final blow.

Are the X-Men movies Wolverine centric? Absolutely. But let's not overstate the screenhogging to make a point that doesn't really exist. Wolverine is no more the focus in the movies than he is in the comics, cartoons, or video games.

 

[random_havoc]

Why hate Fox?

X3. Daredevil. Electra. FF2.


Any single one of those is MORE than enough reason. Each one is absolute garbage. I would not watch those movies again even for free. Give me $10 and let my play on my iPhone and I'll sit through one of them.

Not all of Marvel's movies have been great, but at least with them we know there's the shared universe aspect which is a huge bonus and something we'll never get while Fox owns them.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I hate the "shared" universe and love X-Men: The Last Stand, so I guess I got no beef with Fox.

 

[random_havoc]

I... love X-Men: The Last Stand

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