Why hate FOX?

[Project862006]

So just because YOU like First Class, anyone who doesn't is automatically a fanboy? There's no room for people who simply didn't like it? Wonderful logic.

wow how dense can you be

mcu fanboys were slamming first class and wolverine w/o even seeing it and act like even the worse marvel films are best thing since sliced bread mcu fans think marvel craps out gold

and trust me if fox had done what marvel did to the mandarin they would of got 100X the hate while mcu fans try to defend it because marvel did it

 

[Whiskey Tango]

wow how dense can you be

mcu fanboys were slamming first class and wolverine w/o even seeing it and act like even the worse marvel films are best thing since sliced bread mcu fans think marvel craps out gold

and trust me if fox had done what marvel did to the mandarin they would of got 100X the hate while mcu fans try to defend it because marvel did it

You really don't realize you're doing the EXACT same thing in this thread that you're accusing "THE MARVEL FANBOY CONSPIRACY" of doing, do you? Slamming Marvel, insulting their fans, while you endlessly defend Fox. It's pretty hilarious.

And again, you seem to have convinced yourself that because YOU didn't like certain MCU films (I don't know which ones and frankly don't give a ****) then certainly no one else can like those films without being blind fanboys because they MUST be objectively bad. Or that "anyone who liked Manadrin in IM3 is automatically a Marvel-defending fanboy." It's ridiculous.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

they actually are mcu fanboys dont support anything but mcu marvel films even if good movies like first class and wolverine happen they just wont support because it is not part of a shared universe

nolan fanboys are annoying but they dont just watch and support the nolan bat films

I've seen posts here and elseware where people will dismiss any non-MCU movie as "not really marvel". And belive that Disney will do things "right" when they've proven they don't.

trust me if fox had done what marvel did to the mandarin they would of got 100X the hate while mcu fans try to defend it because marvel did it

Exactly, it's so hypocritical.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

and what about disney

prince of persia
crappy potc sequels
lone ranger
john carter
cars 2
alice in wonderland

just to name a few

every studio makes crappy films

atleast fox seems to be stepping it up lately

with avatar
first class
rise of apes
life of pi
the wolverine
chronicle

and things look promising for The Secret Life of Walter Mitty,DOFP,The Counselor

sorry, but I don't consider any of the red movies as good movies. avatar had a way to simple plot, seen way too often and done better elsewhere. if it hadn't been for the breakthrough in 3D technology, critic propably woulnd't have rated it above 50%
first class was great for about an hour or so, but then it fell apart in a style that should viewers feel ashamed. the x-teens were annoying and there attitudes and behaviour so out of time for the early 60ies it wasn't funny anymore. also, it was a big pile of misogynie and I'll never forgive Vaughn that particular issue. Fasbender and McAvoy were awesome, though.
rise of the apes was praised by a lot of people, I don't see why though. as a huge fan of the original film series and even secret admirer of the Burton version, I just couldn't get over how dumb the plot was.

they actually are mcu fanboys dont support anything but mcu marvel films even if good movies like first class and wolverine happen they just wont support because it is not part of a shared universe

..and here is were your argument fails because your personal preferences take over.

So just because YOU like First Class, anyone who doesn't is automatically a fanboy? There's no room for people who simply didn't like it? Wonderful logic.

essentially this.

wow how dense can you be

mcu fanboys were slamming first class and wolverine w/o even seeing it and act like even the worse marvel films are best thing since sliced bread mcu fans think marvel craps out gold

and trust me if fox had done what marvel did to the mandarin they would of got 100X the hate while mcu fans try to defend it because marvel did it

what? make a bold move? use a comic character to make a clever film about american media, the war on terror and prejudices? again, your personal pov is not the same as objectivity.
And to be clear: FOX has done way worse than the Mandarin in both Fantastic Four movies.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Exactly, it's so hypocritical.

It sure as hell is.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The FF villains were bad, but were villains and weren't intentionally written to be a joke character. They faltered and ****ed up, simple as.

P.S Interesting unbiased and objective sig you got there R_Hythlodeus

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The FF villains were bad, but were villains and weren't intentionally written to be a joke character

Marco... Polo!

If you don't think turning the greatest Marvel and possibly CB villain of all time into... that... isn't a joke, then you might need to redefine your definition of the word.

P.S Interesting unbiased and objective sig you got there R_Hythlodeus

See? More proof that arguing with fanboys gets you nowhere. Apparently if you like MS at all you can't even debate without being outright dismissed.

This thread is approaching DC vs Marvel levels of childishness, and that's a shame.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I don't hate the MCU

The MCU has some good movies and poor ones, just like all movie franchises.

i loved Iron Man, Cap and Thor. didn't mind Iron Man 3 but don't feel the urge to watch the others again.


The idea that they're the be all and end all of Marvel movies, that they're more comic accurate, do things "right" and incapable of doing wrong is just silly.

 

[starscream22]

Wait, why are people basing their arguments purely on imaginary MCU fanboys? I pointed out that I hated IM3 so whatever the next fan likes should be their problem and not the next person's to dispute. That bad twist still doesn't add up to all of fox's issues.

Plus The Wolverine is the lowest earning X-men film to date so it looks like the general audience isn't all the impressed with Fox's comic book films either.

And as for judging a film before watching it well, I didn't run out to see Grown ups 2 either. Does that make me a Adam Sandler hater or a good judge of character?

I'm not saying that The Wolverines quality is par with Grown up just saying that I'm not interested in watching either of them for various reasons.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Wolverine has the biggest Global opening of the X-Men franchise. It's opened poorly in the states though. Total earnings won't be known for a while as it only released recently. Hope irt does well for them it was good, not great but quite good.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

P.S Interesting unbiased and objective sig you got there R_Hythlodeus

thank you, I changed it last week. I'm glad you noticed.

 

[starscream22]

You really don't realize you're doing the EXACT same thing in this thread that you're accusing "THE MARVEL FANBOY CONSPIRACY" of doing, do you? Slamming Marvel, insulting their fans, while you endlessly defend Fox. It's pretty hilarious.

And again, you seem to have convinced yourself that because YOU didn't like certain MCU films (I don't know which ones and frankly don't give a ****) then certainly no one else can like those films without being blind fanboys because they MUST be objectively bad. Or that "anyone who liked Manadrin in IM3 is automatically a Marvel-defending fanboy." It's ridiculous.

He shoots and he scores! LOL!

 

[Teelie]

I got around to seeing The Wolverine today and it's good. It could have been better but when they limit you to PG-13 and have certain other restictions in place you can only do so much.

There are movies that show Fox can do a good movie and this is one, although it isn't hard to succeed more than Origins did or Last Stand when it comes to Wolverine or Marvel films in general.

 

[starscream22]

Wolverine has the biggest Global opening of the X-Men franchise. It's opened poorly in the states though. Total earnings won't be known for a while as it only released recently. Hope irt does well for them it was good, not great but quite good.

I'm not worried about global.

Fox didn't hire Mark Miller to plead with 3rd world countries they hired him to appeal to the states and maybe the UK. Plus I read somewhere that Hollywood only gets a fraction of a fraction of foreign revenue and that their cut is much bigger at home. Provided they make anything.

But if your going to throw WW figures around I doubt Wolverine's total earnings will match MOS's domestic numbers which is sad for a character that's been in 6 films in 13 years.

 

[Teelie]

As popular as Wolverine is, he's not Superman. Superman is a much older, more popular character who has a literal Jesus allegory going on that appeals to a large demographic.

Wolverine has been in two solo movies and part of several ensemble casts so it's not fair to compare the two in any event.

 

[Green Goblin]

Ok, FOX has made some stinkers e.g DD, F4 1 and 2 and a few others. In my opinion MS has had a few like IM2 and IM3. I find it odd how people are slamming FOX for making Wolverine the star of the X-Men considering Marvel are doing the same with Iron Man e.g every MCU film references him, cameos and now making him the creator of Ultron...

 

[Lord]

What the hell am i reading? X-Men First class is a bad movie? Hell, it has lots of flaws but it's still a good movie.

I know the difference between finding something entertaining and judging it for its quality, i liked Chronicles of Riddick and Transformers 3 due to entertaining but i don't think they were very good movies. But First Class? That one filler both spots, it wasn't brilliant, but certainly very good, and trashing Fox is getting old, they made 2 films i hate (Dragon Ball Evolution and X-Men origins) but they're certainly picking up, and the man responsible for all the missteps is no longer in control.

 

[Green Goblin]

I loved first class personally

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Ok, FOX has made some stinkers e.g DD, F4 1 and 2 and a few others. In my opinion MS has had a few like IM2 and IM3. I find it odd how people are slamming FOX for making Wolverine the star of the X-Men considering Marvel are doing the same with Iron Man e.g every MCU film references him, cameos and now making him the creator of Ultron...

Doesn't make sense to me either

 

[starscream22]

As popular as Wolverine is, he's not Superman. Superman is a much older, more popular character who has a literal Jesus allegory going on that appeals to a large demographic.

Wolverine has been in two solo movies and part of several ensemble casts so it's not fair to compare the two in any event.

Yeah, well that logic goes out the door when you bring up Ironman who's doubled MOS's gross yet didn't have any demographic to speak of until "08". In fact Wolverine was Marvels #2 behind Spider-man until Marvel and RDJ stepped up and Fox's quality went down. So I don't think its fair to use the age of the comic book hero to excuse its success or lack there of.

Sure you may have enjoyed the last one but most apparently aren't as interested as the fox-men fans that are coming to it's aid this thread.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wait, why are people basing their arguments purely on imaginary MCU fanboys?

Yeah the imaginary bit stands out because it really does seem like some of these guys are projecting their little frustrations onto people who don't exist, or alternatively conjuring up some Perfect Specimen of Fandom to hate against.

The Wolverine example is a great one. People have been railing on Jackman's leading man status in the X-Franchise since even before the first X-Men came out. Marvel Studios itself wasn't even a twinkle in anyones eye, and yet now all this Wolverine hate is a conspiracy by MCU nerds? LOL

Gonna have to start asking for names of these alleged devious MCU fanboys, because reports of their existence are beginning to feel exaggerated.

 

[starscream22]

Ok, FOX has made some stinkers e.g DD, F4 1 and 2 and a few others. In my opinion MS has had a few like IM2 and IM3. I find it odd how people are slamming FOX for making Wolverine the star of the X-Men considering Marvel are doing the same with Iron Man e.g every MCU film references him, cameos and now making him the creator of Ultron...

You're arguing over a formula that works vs one that's barely working. I personally hated the second half of IM3 but the GA apparently didn't.

I'm also a little disappointed with the Ultron reveal but the GA couldn't care less and the reason most will give the alteration of Ultron's origin a pass is because Whedon has a better track record than anyone at Fox.

Now Fox's screw-ups have proven to be a problem for Comic book fans and the general audience alike. And as a result they're barely turning a profit with characters who arguably deserve beter.

 

[starscream22]

Yeah the imaginary bit stands out because it really does seem like some of these guys are projecting their little frustrations onto people who don't exist, or alternatively conjuring up some Perfect Specimen of Fandom to hate against.

The Wolverine example is a great one. People have been railing on Jackman's leading man status in the X-Franchise since even before the first X-Men came out. Marvel Studios itself wasn't even a twinkle in anyones eye, and yet now all this Wolverine hate is a conspiracy by MCU nerds? LOL

Gonna have to start asking for names of these alleged devious MCU fanboys, because reports of their existence are beginning to feel exaggerated.

Nothing against Jackman, I think he's a great actor doing the best with what they're giving him. Its just that "Yellow Spandex" jab in the first X-men film which was Singer's little "FU" to X-fans at the time is part of what's hurting the X-men franchise. The outfits put @sses in seats. And walking around with a wife beater and subpar claws isn't what superhero's are made of.

 

[Lord]

I never looked at Wolverine as a superhero.

 

[Teelie]

Yeah, well that logic goes out the door when you bring up Ironman who's doubled MOS's gross yet didn't have any demographic to speak of until "08". In fact Wolverine was Marvels #2 behind Spider-man until Marvel and RDJ stepped up and Fox's quality went down. So I don't think its fair to use the age of the comic book hero to excuse its success or lack there of.

Sure you may have enjoyed the last one but most apparently aren't as interested as the fox-men fans that are coming to it's aid this thread.

I could point to a number of factors that complicate it all; everything from the poor showing of the previous Superman movie to the controversy over the current one's ending and how similarly Wolverine's previous movie did not help it to why Iron Man did so surprisingly well but I'm not trying to defend the movie or be a fanboy/fox-men or anything else you'll want to sidetrack with.

In fact, I'm not even sure what the argument is. You pretty much just blasted the latest Wolverine movie and declared it a failure because you read something somewhere about Hollywood not caring about the global market despite the fact it's been more dependent than ever on it.

I'm not defending the movie's ticket sales. I liked it but then that's my opinion. I have no interest in seeing Man of Steel in the theater but I'm not going around looking for ways to declare it a failure either.

Also, that jab about yellow spandex was on the mark. Look at anyone who wears spandex in reality (especially yellow) and tell me it comes off anything but hilariously goofy.