Why I don't like 2.1

[Dark Spidey]

This is one of many reasons why I don't like sam raimi. He thinks the audience is stupid. I take it you know his reasons for not giving spidey mechs??

No... I honestly can't remember!

 

[Mr Jide]

...Because, audiences wouldn't buy the notion of Peter being smart enough to devise a pair of mechanical web shooters....in a cot damn comic book movie, called spider-frakin'-man!

That to this day pisses me off.

 

[Blader5489]

...Because, audiences wouldn't buy the notion of Peter being smart enough to devise a pair of mechanical web shooters....in a cot damn comic book movie, called spider-frakin'-man!

That to this day pisses me off.

No, it makes sense. I'm sorry if logic angers you.

 

[Dark Spidey]

...Because, audiences wouldn't buy the notion of Peter being smart enough to devise a pair of mechanical web shooters....in a cot damn comic book movie, called spider-frakin'-man!

That to this day pisses me off.

I have to say I half agree with him.

Though I do think that web-regulators would have been a happy medium.

 

[JerseyJoker]

Its not like Sam is saying this is THE cut of Spidey 2 for now on, the theatrical cut is the oen he ment to be seen. But people always complain for added scenes and what not, so he does so, throws in some extended stuff or new cuts, and then people complain about it.

Its not like he came door to door and told you to buy the dvd, and for whoever brought up the mechanical shooters argument. THANK GOD they wheren't in the first movie, it would of been stupid, letting it be organic was a very wise choice and one of my only favorite things that Cameron brought to the table.

 

[weezerspider]

I like them both about the same. There were some things that bothered me in 2.1(the extended doctor scene, elevator scene) but there were other things that were better than the original(action scenes, birthday scene).Overall I'd say I like them the same.

 

[Venom 1988]

I have to say I half agree with him.

Though I do think that web-regulators would have been a happy medium.

Yea I wish they left the web-regulators, as you put it, in the film. They looked cool too.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Its not like Sam is saying this is THE cut of Spidey 2 for now on, the theatrical cut is the oen he ment to be seen.

Well someone is saying that this is THE cut of Spidey 2 from now on. As in the Spider-Man Trilogy DVD box set about to be released, 2.1 is the version representing the second instalment of the franchise. Lucky, I planned ahead, bought a spare copy of Spidey 2 and intend to swap the discs.

But people always complain for added scenes and what not, so he does so, throws in some extended stuff or new cuts, and then people complain about it.

Sam Raimi actually had nothing to do with 2.dumb!

 

[kward711]

Well someone is saying that this is THE cut of Spidey 2 from now on. As in the Spider-Man Trilogy DVD box set about to be released, 2.1 is the version representing the second instalment of the franchise. Lucky, I planned ahead, bought a spare copy of Spidey 2 and intend to swap the discs.

the normal trilogy includes Spider-Man 2 and not 2.1. However, the blu-ray trilogy includes both Spider-Man 2 and 2.1

 

[The Joker]

The DVD cover for Spider-Man 2.1 is awesome. Especially that image of Doc Ock on the back. I prefer it over the regular cover.

And, Dark Spidey, yes I can completely see your points on the additional stuff. Which is why I do prefer the original cut more.

 

[Dark Spidey]

the normal trilogy includes Spider-Man 2 and not 2.1. However, the blu-ray trilogy includes both Spider-Man 2 and 2.1

Not in the UK it doesn't.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=12;5;78;-1&sku=697654

 

[Dark Spidey]

The DVD cover for Spider-Man 2.1 is awesome. Especially that image of Doc Ock on the back. I prefer it over the regular cover.

And, Dark Spidey, yes I can completely see your points on the additional stuff. Which is why I do prefer the original cut more.

Sure it's cool. But as an Ock enthusiast i'm sure you are more than aware that cover image is flawed.

 

[The Joker]

Flawed? In what way?

 

[Dark Spidey]

I might be mistaken. But aren't those Ock's upper tentacles either side of Spidey? Yet in the reflection of Ock in Spidey's eye piece, you can see the upper right tentacle is going no where.

 

[Mr Jide]

No, it makes sense. I'm sorry if logic angers you.

Logic doesn't anger me. What angers me is, a staple accessory that can be used as an effective plot device now and again was left out because the director fails to understand that the audience knows who spider-man is and that we're paying to watch a movie that is based on exaggerated fantasy and fiction. Tell me, where's the logic in a person being bitten by a genetically altered spider and gaining immense god-like powers?? Where's the logic in a company creating a portable manned-flying device as a military tool whilst simultaneously creating a serum that alters their biochemistry in a mere matter of seconds?? Please, spare me the lame logic routine.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Logic doesn't anger me. What angers me is, a staple accessory that can be used as an effective plot device now and again was left out because the director fails to understand that the audience knows who spider-man is and that we're paying to watch a movie that is based on exaggerated fantasy and fiction. Tell me, where's the logic in a person being bitten by a genetically altered spider and gaining immense god-like powers?? Where's the logic in a company creating a portable manned-flying device as a military tool whilst simultaneously creating a serum that alters their biochemistry in a mere matter of seconds?? Please, spare me the lame logic routine.

One of the reasons superhero movies are made is to set ideas from comics in a more grounded, realisitic world. Raimi obviously thought that replacing mechanicals with organics would make it easier for audiences to suspend disbelief. It's pointless to dedicate an entire subplot to the invention of a mechanical device when it could easily be replaced with a more logical alternative that wouldn't take as much time to explain.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

So is 2.1 worth getting? I watched the scenes on YouTube and some were good. Does it make the movie any better or does it just drag it out.

 

[TheTurtle]

Not in the UK it doesn't.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=12;5;78;-1&sku=697654

Actually, yes it does.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=285;5;-1;-1&sku=697651

There are two versions avaliable in the UK, one including Spider-Man 2 and one Including 2.1.

So it's the buyers choice if they want Spider-Man 2 or Spider-Man 2.1 to be part of "their" Spider-Man trilogy.

PS. I know the HMV website claims this includes 2.1, but that's their mistake. Having seen and looked at this set personally many, many times - it's 2. The box clearly states it's 2.

2.1 is in the black box.

 

[Borax]

With the UK BluRay release it doesn't seem to mention that 2.1 is included... which I was slightly disappointed with because it would've been good to see it to make up my own mind... that was until 2.5 hours ago when I put Spider-man 2 on and was given the option of which one I wanted to watch... so I watched 2.1 and I liked it

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

So is 2.1 worth getting? I watched the scenes on YouTube and some were good. Does it make the movie any better or does it just drag it out.

It's defeintley worth it. There are great new and extended scenes in it, but it's up to you.

 

[sandgoblin]

It's defeintley worth it. There are great new and extended scenes in it, but it's up to you.

I agree. I have the DVD now and i like it better with extended footage than before.

 

[fourcolorhero]

Regarding the scene with Mary Jane talking to her friend: the purpose of the scene wasn't to reveal MJ's reasons for marrying John. We already know what, to a large extent, those reasons are. The purpose was to add another layer to her already-established motivations. In other words, when MJ says "My father always said, 'You'll never be worth anything. No man will ever want you'", she isn't giving a justification for a legitimate life decision; she's reflecting some broader insecurity.

In Spider-Man 1, we witnessed that verbal abuse; Mr. Watson screams at MJ, "You're trash, you'll always be trash, just like her!" as the latter escapes to the security of high-school faces. (I can't imagine overhearing your boyfriend's father repeating the same slur later would do much for your self-esteem, either) It is in this vulnerable state that the gentle charm of one Peter Parker is first impressed upon her. "You're the only man who's ever been there for me," she tells him.

In Spider-Man 2, Mary Jane makes some reference to her father coming to see her show to callously ask her for money (ostensibly to fuel his alcoholism).

In Spider-Man 3, when MJ reads her bad reviews, she admits, "When I read these reviews, it's like my father wrote them". There was even (reportedly) to have been a scene later in the film where Peter, under the influence of... you-know-what, confronted Mary Jane's father once and for all and sort of roughed him up.

So this is obviously a deep-seated insecurity that, true to the comics, MJ struggles with over a length of time; she will likely always struggle with feelings of self-worth. It wasn't a reason invented for the sole purpose of "explaining" MJ's decision to accept John's proposal.

Anyways, the point of the scene, the way I saw it anyway, was to cement the idea that Mary Jane doesn't really love this guy; she is merely appealed by what he represents. Security; a father-figure; a provider. Not an "empty seat", like Peter Parker. John Jameson is Mr. Right Now.

In this context, the scene is a welcome addition and provided some much-needed characterization to Ms. Dunst's otherwise distant Mary Jane.

I'm new here, by the way. You can call me Jason.

 

[sandgoblin]

I like MJ's friend in the movie. She's a little hottie too. t: I think the Scene with Jameson in the Spidey outfit is so funny.

 

[Arcturus]

I like 2.1, but I think the theatrical version is better.

 

[sandgoblin]

I like 2.1, but I think the theatrical version is better.

Why? 2.1 is the theatrical version just with added footage.