The Avengers Why the Avengers will be a Game Changer

[Ultimatehero]

the trick wasn't making Avengers big...the trick is what they do after avengers

I'd say the bigger trick is a lot of Hollywood blockbusters after this pleasing audiences. I seriously don't see how an audience can be impressed action-level for a while after this. And I say a while because Whedon's opened the door to what can be done now. Basically broke the ceiling and saying, "here - is this what these movies can and should be, now it's in your court" lol. It takes a while for movies to be made and I see a wave of new properties getting picked up that really aim high. Basically the same thing he did with horror with 'Cabin in the Woods' but done differently.

 

[roach]

I'd say the bigger trick is a lot of Hollywood blockbusters after this pleasing audiences. I seriously don't see how an audience can be impressed action-level for a while after this. And I say a while because Whedon's opened the door to what can be done now. Basically broke the ceiling and saying, "here - is this what these movies can and should be, now it's in your court" lol. It takes a while for movies to be made and I see a wave of new properties getting picked up that really aim high. Basically the same thing he did with horror with 'Cabin in the Woods' but done differently.

I don't see this movie as destroying the cinematic palate of the GA. Big movies come and go and people will still go see them.

 

[Ultimatehero]

I don't see this movie as destroying the cinematic palate of the GA. Big movies come and go and people will still go see them.

Still go see them, yes. Demand more? I honestly don't see how they couldn't. As said, as a writer, it both dazzled and frightened me lol.

 

[roach]

Still go see them, yes. Demand more? I honestly don't see how they couldn't. As said, as a writer, it both dazzled and frightened me lol.

I am just glad that someone realized that grim and gritty and hyper-realistic isn't the only way to do superhero movies

 

[Ultimatehero]

I am just glad that someone realized that grim and gritty and hyper-realistic isn't the only way to do superhero movies

It's definitely going to free the atmosphere up a lot for people who do love the fantastical without the dark, gritty, and realistic.

 

[roach]

It's definitely going to free the atmosphere up a lot for people who do love the fantastical without the dark, gritty, and realistic.

good cause thats right up my alley

 

[Jheri Curl]

Basically the same thing he did with horror with 'Cabin in the Woods' but done differently.

I think Drag Me to Hell far better than Cabin in the Woods - more thrilling, better written, scarier - despite not having some of Cabin's meta charms. I'm really confused by the degree of praise for that film, whose every gesture seemed so hesitant. I say this as a big fan of Whedon.

 

[Ultimatehero]

'Drag Me to Hell' is only the same in genre. 'Cabin in the Woods' breaks down and analyzes the horror genre. It points to every known staple then challenges them. Basically the meta charms. Not for everyone. But, as a rule breaker - I loved it. I think/hope horror writers will think twice before inserting the classic staples now. It seemed like a challenge to them to be more original. 'Avengers' is definitely another gauntlet thrown down too.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I am just glad that someone realized that grim and gritty and hyper-realistic isn't the only way to do superhero movies

That's my biggest thing ..... The Avengers "fantastical" nature is so refreshing. Whedon's predecessors in the stand lone films did a decent job, but even they still tread somewhat lightly in certain respects.

 

[The Guard]

I don't see the game being changed that much.

Studios aren't suddenly going to hand over huge budgets.

We've seen movies about a team of heroes before, and seen them suceed. THE AVENGERS may prompt WB to begin developing THE JUSTICE LEAGUE again, which is nice, but not neccessarily game changing. The Marvel Universe films have already changed the game to a degree, and made the concept of a shared universe of heroes seem at least somewhat feasible. Previous Marvel films showed that a certain type of humor/action blend is very popular. AVENGERS does it on a larger scale, but let's not pretend that we've never seen a massive action movie before.

It's THE AVENGERS ASSEMBLE that could change the game, by bringing truly high, fantasy based and mythological concepts like Thanos, Kang and other worlds/universes into a more grounded superhero mythology.

But the movie that combines the best of everything, the tones of TDK and TDKR and THE AVENGERS?

That will be a real game changer.

 

[Ultimatehero]

These lines in the movie always reminds me of this:

Spoiler

MEMBER 1
I don't think you understand what you started. Letting the Avengers loose on this world. They're dangerous.

NICK FURY
They surely are. Now the whole world knows it. Every world knows it.

MEMBER 2
Was that the plan of all this? A statement?

NICK FURY
A promise.

I don't know why, but that passage always seems to make me think they're also talking about the movie and the future of movies as well. As said, as a writer out here, it sure seems like a gauntlet lol. But that's also what I love about those lines. It's a statement about what can be done.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think an A+ Cinemascore shows it's a game changer. There have been other big budget action films before that have done well, but none that rated this well.

I think this film just found the perfect balance of action, character development, humor and heart.

I heard Ruffalo say this in an interview, and I think he was unintentionally aiming it at Transformers, although he didn't name it. "All of the humor in this film is earned, there's no cheap humor in there."

That's exactly right. Sure there's some silly off handed stuff like the [blackout]galaga[/blackout] gag, but it's mixed in with a moment of seriousness showing Tony's elaborate/eccentric thinking.

The humor in transformers was nothing but cheap gags, designed for 15 year olds who think the height of comedic humor is fart jokes, and the characters in the film suffer for it.

 

[Marvin]

This is the only superhero film I've seen people get up and give a standing ovation to. That's a gamechanger in itself.

This happens more often than you might thing, it's more about the timing and crowd you see it with.

As game changing, I hope hope it makes marvel produce more well rounded pictures. The action in this, the Dialogue, the Plot the greater than it's source material vibe. No marvel(studios) film has come close to hitting all those before.
ie, was the action in this this good, was the material in CA this cool..(Imagine this cap vs red skull).
Each film's been lacking for me and this film just completely pleases everyone.

 

[El Payaso]

the trick wasn't making Avengers big...the trick is what they do after avengers

Everything points... bigger.

 

[roach]

Everything points... bigger.

yes everything has to be bigger...the question is can they maintain bigger movies

 

[DoubleO_Stark]

This happens more often than you might thing, it's more about the timing and crowd you see it with.

As game changing, I hope hope it makes marvel produce more well rounded pictures. The action in this, the Dialogue, the Plot the greater than it's source material vibe. No marvel(studios) film has come close to hitting all those before.
ie, was the action in this this good, was the material in CA this cool..(Imagine this cap vs red skull).
Each film's been lacking for me and this film just completely pleases everyone.

It happened in England, a conservative boring, everyone is miserable country.
It never happens here but it happened with this movie, twice out of the three times I've seen it.

 

[Marvin]

I think an A+ Cinemascore shows it's a game changer. There have been other big budget action films before that have done well, but none that rated this well.

I think this film just found the perfect balance of action, character development, humor and heart.

I heard Ruffalo say this in an interview, and I think he was unintentionally aiming it at Transformers, although he didn't name it. "All of the humor in this film is earned, there's no cheap humor in there."

That's exactly right. Sure there's some silly off handed stuff like the [blackout]galaga[/blackout] gag, but it's mixed in with a moment of seriousness showing Tony's elaborate/eccentric thinking.

The humor in transformers was nothing but cheap gags, designed for 15 year olds who think the height of comedic humor is fart jokes, and the characters in the film suffer for it.

It's always transformers with you people(no wonder that film is so big.)

You go on to diss a certain style of humor, yet I truly wonder what we in fact think of such things. I mean How many critics found the first Hangover cheap? Or rather did they find it successful in it's style of humor(good reviews). I see almost the same pot joke in the much celebrated 21 jump street as I do in a that Transformers film, yet different reactions. It would be one thing if there was a subjective discussion about execution but there hardly ever is. It's almost always, people hate pot jokes one day and they find the funny the next. Not all films are about the same things, the much celebrated EvilDead films are jokes by many standards, but they never set out to be character driven dramas.
If any fan of TF says the films never set out to be character driven drama's they are told that they are the reason cinema is taking a dive.

It's a double standard plain and simple. It wouldn't bother me if everyone that hated the TF films simply presented their take's subjectively but they never do as seen even here. "Cheap" jokes in a summer blockbuster based on an 80's toy commercial equals poor quality any way you look at it. Anyway except revenue that is. If you want a Sci Fi drama just say so, however to call what it actually is poor/cheap is a failure on your part.

The TF films need to step their game up, but so does the way we review films. I'll say it again, any person that considers Bad boys or Beverly Hills cop poor Police Dramas needs to be put in check.

I love Joss Whedon, but there is someone out there right this minute saying these very words. "How could Avengers ever hope to be considered a superhero drama the caliber of TDK/TDKR, it's got a joke every few beats! Films with jokes no matter how many people may enjoy them are...cheap or rather inferior to what good films are."
The Irony is palpable.

 

[roach]

It's always transformers with you people(no wonder that film is so big.)

You go on to diss a certain style of humor, yet I truly wonder what we in fact think of such things. I mean How many critics found the first Hangover cheap? Or rather did they find it successful in it's style of humor(good reviews). I see almost the same pot joke in the much celebrated 21 jump street as I do in a that Transformers film, yet different reactions. It would be one thing if there was a subjective discussion about execution but there hardly ever is. It's almost always, people hate pot jokes one day and they find the funny the next. Not all films are about the same things, the much celebrated Evil films are jokes by many standards, but they never set out to be character driven dramas.
If any fan of TF says the films never set out to be character driven drama's they are told that they are the reason cinema is taking a dive.

It's a double standard plain and simple. It wouldn't bother me if everyone that hated the TF films simply presented their take's subjectively but they never do as seen even here. "Cheap" jokes in a summer blockbuster based on an 80's toy commercial equals poor quality any way you look at it. Anyway except revenue that is. If you want a Sci Fi drama just say so, however to call what it actually is poor/cheap is a failure on your part.

The TF films need to step their game up, but so does the way we review films. I'll say it again, any person that considers Bad boys or Beverly Hills cop poor Police Dramas needs to be put in check.

I love Joss Whedon!

i saw that too but I was gonna ignore it...glad I wasn't the only one

 

[Marvin]

It happened in England, a conservative boring, everyone is miserable country.
It never happens here but it happened with this movie, twice out of the three times I've seen it.

I think that's a broad generalization to be honest.
I mean this is the country that produced Johnny English and Monty P right?
British humor suggests the counties cinema viewing audience isn't as as miserable as one may think.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Everything points... bigger.

THAT is how it's a game-changer. Not just bigger with MARVEL but bigger overall. Now that the audience knows how big these movies can be, unsure if the audience will always go for smaller now. Still go see? Disappointed that it's not as big as it can be? Now knowing where that glass ceiling actually is? Undoubtably. 'The Avengers' is dangerous to financiers and studio heads lmaol. That's Joss Whedon's message "go big or go home!"

 

[DoubleO_Stark]

I think that's a broad generalization to be honest.
I mean this is the country that produced Johnny English and Monty P right?
British humor suggests the counties cinema viewing audience isn't as as miserable as one may think.

People do not clap at the end of those films, I promise you that.
Especially at Johnny English.
It wasn't just the humour it had a bit of everything, that's what made Avengers so enjoyable.

Great effects, Comedy, action, character, adventure. Those elements were so larger than life that the plot had to take a back seat and rightfully so because it let the characters shine a lot more.

It felt like Star Wars, the first time you saw Superman, A proper summer blockbuster that felt like a summer blockbuster.

We've had those before but not for a along time, they are very far, few in-between.

That's why people clapped.

And that's why it's a game changer for the modern summer blockbuster, it's changed what the suits will be brainstorming at focus groups and bored meetings.

 

[roach]

Game-changer to us...maybe
Game-changer to the GA...hardly. The general audience doesn't have loyalties to movies. The GA won't walk out of every movie this summer angry that its not Avengers. They didn't do it for Jaws or Raiders of the Lost Ark or Star Wars or Terminator or TDK. We need to stop trying to crown the latest comic movie as the greatest in cinema. Yes this was a good movie but what game was changed? Did it introduce new technology and now every movie comic out has to have that technology? Did it introduce some new form of film making?
Oh it was a good film in which everything clicked and worked....and that never happened before?
So we will remove TDK from the mantle place and replace it with Avengers. We'll cry out at the top of our lungs that this is the gold standard....until we find the next one....maybe Amazing Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises. For the next few months or years we'll compare Avengers to everything.
Meanwhile the General Audience will see the movie...enjoy it...continue on with their lives...and see the next series of movies the summer movie season has to offer.

 

[El Payaso]

yes everything has to be bigger...the question is can they maintain bigger movies

Exactly. Well, read my sig, the Einstein quote.

THAT is how it's a game-changer. Not just bigger with MARVEL but bigger overall. Now that the audience knows how big these movies can be, unsure if the audience will always go for smaller now. Still go see? Disappointed that it's not as big as it can be? Now knowing where that glass ceiling actually is? Undoubtably. 'The Avengers' is dangerous to financiers and studio heads lmaol. That's Joss Whedon's message "go big or go home!"

Well, the 'the bigger is better' and 'more is more' premises have been followed by Hollywood for ages now. Hardly a game changer.

Game-changer to us...maybe
Game-changer to the GA...hardly. The general audience doesn't have loyalties to movies. The GA won't walk out of every movie this summer angry that its not Avengers. They didn't do it for Jaws or Raiders of the Lost Ark or Star Wars or Terminator or TDK. We need to stop trying to crown the latest comic movie as the greatest in cinema. Yes this was a good movie but what game was changed? Did it introduce new technology and now every movie comic out has to have that technology? Did it introduce some new form of film making?
Oh it was a good film in which everything clicked and worked....and that never happened before?
So we will remove TDK from the mantle place and replace it with Avengers. We'll cry out at the top of our lungs that this is the gold standard....until we find the next one....maybe Amazing Spider-man or The Dark Knight Rises. For the next few months or years we'll compare Avengers to everything.
Meanwhile the General Audience will see the movie...enjoy it...continue on with their lives...and see the next series of movies the summer movie season has to offer.

This.

 

[Marvin]

People do not clap at the end of those films, I promise you that.
Especially at Johnny English.
It wasn't just the humour it had a bit of everything, that's what made Avengers so enjoyable.

Great effects, Comedy, action, character, adventure. Those elements were so larger than life that the plot had to take a back seat and rightfully so because it let the characters shine a lot more.

It felt like Star Wars, the first time you saw Superman, A proper summer blockbuster that felt like a summer blockbuster.

We've had those before but not for a along time, they are very far, few in-between.

That's why people clapped.

And that's why it's a game changer for the modern summer blockbuster, it's changed what the suits will be brainstorming at focus groups and bored meetings.

...never said they clapped at those pictures.

I mentioned them in liu of how miserable a rep European audiences are receiving these days(mostly for the sake of hyping Avengers it seems)

 

[Ultimatehero]

Well, the 'the bigger is better' and 'more is more' premises have been followed by Hollywood for ages now. Hardly a game changer.

MARVEL or DISNEY tried to talk Whedon out of his big finale if people remember correctly saying it couldn't be done and the budget wouldn't allow it. Guess what? He did it. He proved them wrong. And that speaks volumes.

I've seen in this in the industry first-hand all the time so I knew where he was coming from when he said that was the response to the finale. And now, after this, studios are going to know that it can be done. Audiences now know that it can be done. And films won't be approached in a, "we can ONLY do this animated - we can't achieve this live action!" will soon be a thing of the past. Nothing is too far over the top.

So followed by Hollywood for ages now? Only slightly. There is or was still that glass ceiling. Whedon came up against it initially and I have seen others from first-hand experience go up against it repeatedly as well. There was a ceiling. The world council saying it can't be done and Fury standing for what he believes in. THAT is what Whedon did, now the world council knows - now the world knows - and that is why it's dangerous. From here on out they need to keep on going up, they can't go back - Whedon's changed things for good. And THAT right there is why the game changed. It may not look it from general audience perspective, but "that's too much" I'm seeing as becoming largely a thing of the past. As said, I bow down before Whedon for sticking to his guns and saying "this is my finale - it can be done - and I'm going to show you it can be done."

Just seeing TDKR trailer, I'm certain it won't have as big of an action spectacle within it. Will it be awesome and amazing in other ways? Yes. Will it raise the bar for action spectacle and what we can do in those means? No. A lot of it is practical. And if it does, I'll eat my words. I'm just seeing it as an amazing and awesome dramatic film, will it when any CGI awards? I doubt. Will Avengers? It's a shoe-in.