The Avengers Will Avengers do better than Wolverine?

[cherokeesam]

Well, there were people responding, and there are new posters all the time, that 'pushing another thread off the page' argument does not hold much weight imo, if it was at the bottom of the page anyway, who is to say it would have necesarily got more posts given that it had been untouched for a while?
It's not a big deal. Depends on what thread is resurected and how busy the boards are, these boards usually only have a couple of active threads at a time, so there is plenty of room for other threads to pop up. He only resurected *one* thread in here, it would be different if he had resurected a few.
I know he has done it on other boards, but it's the same deal, he only does one a board, what is the point of the search button if you can't ressurect a thread that you are interested in that was posted before your time as a poster?

Trust me, Ultra Lantern has necroposted a LOT more than just this one in recent days. I'm not the only one who's noticed. I'm surprised the mods haven't banned him yet.

 

[Xeno]

Trust me, Ultra Lantern has necroposted a LOT more than just this one in recent days. I'm not the only one who's noticed. I'm surprised the mods haven't banned him yet.

I was away from the boards for three days last week and when I returned there were about ten* old threads that UL had resurrected up at the top. The threads that had been active had been pushed off the first page entirely in favor of old threads from years ago speculating about things that are now known. We've had to work to get the active threads back on track, while he continued to mess around in the old stuff. He could have read those threads without bothering to post -- we all know who's playing all of the characters, Giant Man isn't in the movie, etc.

* I just counted 16 dead threads that Ultra Lantern resurrected in the last week. That's on the first page alone; there may be even more that have been pushed back onto the second. That is very disruptive behavior, IMO.

 

[BigThor]

The Avengers will do better at the Box Office, but I think The Wolverine will be the better movie by far. Avengers will be a pretty good smash em up, but The Wolverine will be a great character study, it has a good chance of being anyway, given it is based on a specific text that is already acclaimed.
The Avengers will have no such time to explore the characters, it will be a beat em up game with some good lines from Whedon as they argue and stuff, but no deeper than that.

Actually this thread is about will The Avengers do better than X-Men Origins not the 2012 Wolverine film and it's a dumb question because Iron Man 1 blew it away, now you can add IM2 and THOR to that list as well.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

^I don't know about the Box Office, but I preferred XMOWolverine to both IM2 and Thor.

and @ xeno000 and cherokeesam, Fair enough guys, I only saw that he'd resurected an old Iron-Man thread(which was still a relevant discussion for the sequels), and this one Avengers one, I didn't know he was going nuts with the old threads.

 

[BigThor]

^I don't know about the Box Office, but I preferred XMOWolverine to both IM2 and Thor.

Are you serious?

Well you can prefer which ever film you like but you might want to go look that critical reception for those films and you will see that they found IM2 and THOR MUCHHHH better than X:Wolverine.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Are you serious?

Well you can prefer which ever film you like but you might want to go look that critical reception for those films and you will see that they found IM2 and THOR MUCHHHH better than X:Wolverine.

There is no science to this, it's all personal opinion on the arty farty, I'd say that XMOW was on the same level of quality as IM2, Thor and Captain America, they are all predictable, cookie cutter superhero tales. So I guess because I think Wolverine is the more interesting character, and the film had better action than all of those films, as well as the best villan, I prefer it.

 

[The Morningstar]

Of course Avengers will make more money than Wolverine.

As for the recent discussion? I was sooooooo badly let down by Wolverine. It was horrible. I like Wolverine as a character, he has a great story. But the movie version was watered down so much I failed to care about his plight.

Wolverines thing is that he is constantly fighting against his animalistic urges to be a better man. To be a human.

Errr... what animalistic urges? He was a ****ing ***** in his own film. He was more aggressive and violent in X1 and X2. Creed and Wade were better killers than him.

What the Wolverine film needed was the majority of it being about the black ops team. Show Wolverine doing some horrible things, killing innocent people etc. Show him grow disillusioned with it all, feel guilty about the horrible things he did. Show a true character arc.

What we got was one mission where Logan did absolutely nothing, then go all emo and run off.

It did have a couple of cool action scenes. But again, the best one in the entire movie didn't even feature Wolverine himself. That went to Wade Wilson and his katana swords.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

It did have a couple of cool action scenes. But again, the best one in the entire movie didn't even feature Wolverine himself. That went to Wade Wilson and his katana swords.

Aye, that was a good bit, but I much prefer the motorcycle chase.
I only just saw Cap the other day for the first time, and y'know, it was fine, it told the origin well enough, but , as a lot of folk have said, once he gets into the proper suit, it rushes through the movie to get to the end for the Avengers link up.
After i have watched a sh movie for the first time, and have it on dvd, i like to watch an action scene or two before i go to bed, but when i turned to the Cap dvd, i was at a loss at what to watch.
I looked at the motorcycle scene, and it was really nothing much at all, just about all of the action is only ok once he gets into the suit. The only great action scene is when he chases after the guy who blew up the lab.

I'd say the story in Wolverine had about the same level of drama, but the action was far more ambitious. The scene you talked about was pretty good, the motorcycle chase superb, and the ending on the Chimney stack was very well choereographed, albiet, not really the style of fighting Wolverine is suited for.

It just surprises me that so many folk bash the Fox movies, when these latest 'rush to the Avengers' Marvel studio movies suffer from much the same problems, except, the Fox movies actually have more ambitious action scenes than the Marvel ones(apart from the FF movies, the second one being on the same level as the new Marvel studio films).
About the only ones i have been impressed with was the Frost Giants fight in Thor, the Monaco showdown in Iron-Man2, and the lab explosion chase in Cap, but they were the only exciting and impressive action set pieces in their entire movies.

The first Iron-Man movie was the only one that was pretty grand all the way through, but that was before Marvel started the conveyer belt machine to get Avengers set up, and started turning the movies into tins of spam, and that's why Favereu left the building after IM2.

and as for Thor...if they made a Superman movie, and gave you that amount of flying, that amount of Superman, in the whole movie, the fans would be screaming holy murder, but here, they just accept such a lacklustre showing.
It's like, the spell of knowing the Avengers is on the way has worked it's magic on fans, and they subconciously give all of these Marvel movies a pass when they are less ambitious, because they think the movies are not the real movies yet, that the Avengers is the real movie, 'It doesn't matter, Avengers is only next year and we will see more..' going through their subconcious.

 

[The Morningstar]

I agree with you about Cap. For me, the actual origin part, the first hour or so, is right up there in terms of great comic book movies. But once that is out of the way it really does fall flat. I really enjoyed the very final scene though, thought Evans was great there when he comes to the realisation that Peggy is probably dead. He sold the emotion with his eyes instead of dialogue. I like when actors can do that.

I also agree about Thor. I loved the Frost Giant fight. I really liked the final fight with Loki too, but more because of the acting and how emotionally charged it was.

But yea, not enough flying and the Destroyer battle was just so underwhelming.

I just hope Avengers doesn't have mediocre action. It needs to be spectacular, iconic stuff.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Y'know, the thing about action is, you can have a classic action scene even without it being a massive big budget moment. Like, the bar scene in X-Men 1 when Wolverine pops his claws for the first time.
Now, i think Whedon will put in some real classic moments like that, Tony Stark getting pushed out of the window sounds like a good one of that ilk, haha.
But aye, it has a 220million budget right? and Whedon knows his stuff, so we must get some great action, although, y'know what it's like, the finales to just about every superhero movie ever made has been disapointing action wise, I hope this one is not just some boring ass stop a big magic bomb by combining our powers scene, because, as you have to utilise all the characters for the showdown, that could handicap the action, or, it could lead to some good ideas, we'll see how they handle it.
They have the budget, they just need the ideas.
Just as long as it is not just explosion after explosion, and has smart ideas, the action spinning off the character drama for a lot of the time.
Because there is not gonna be a lot of time for drama here, it will just be a lot of character moments between them essentially, i think, so they should utilise that in amongst the action as much as possible.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

lol@ this thread now...

Not only should The Avengers do better than any Marvel "prequel" movie before it (i.e., Iron Man 2, Thor,..etc), I'd expect it to rival with Spider-Man @ $800m worldwide...

 

[BigThor]

About the only ones i have been impressed with was the Frost Giants fight in Thor, the Monaco showdown in Iron-Man2, and the lab explosion chase in Cap, but they were the only exciting and impressive action set pieces in their entire movies.

Well to Thor and Iron Man's defense, their director's weren't adept at handling action scenes especially Branagh who's previous work was most;y shakespearean movies.

I'm pretty sure THOR 2 is going to step it up big time in terms of the action, it's being said that it's going to be Marvel Studios' second largest film ever coming in right under The Avengers in terms of scale.

As for Thor...if they made a Superman movie, and gave you that amount of flying, that amount of Superman, in the whole movie, the fans would be screaming holy murder, but here, they just accept such a lacklustre showing.

Well alot of people weren't even sure if Thor was going to fly in THOR, they kept it under wraps almost all the way until the movie was released.

Yeah Thor didn't fly all that much but he flew enough to get the point across that he's a flying superhero, I was more bothered by his lack of super strength feats than the amount he flew.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

and as for Thor...if they made a Superman movie, and gave you that amount of flying, that amount of Superman, in the whole movie, the fans would be screaming holy murder,

That may be true. And if they made a Batman movie and gave us that amount of flying and Superman in the whole movie, the fans would be pissed too.

But it was Thor. And, you know, the amount of flying and of Superman worked for that particular character, given the source material and the focus of the plot.

 

[BigThor]

But it was Thor. And, you know, the amount of flying and of Superman worked for that particular character, given the source material and the focus of the plot.

Exactly and there's plenty of room to increase the amount of flying Thor does on film in THOR 2 and THOR 3.

 

[Pink Ranger]

RDJ + Scarlett Johannsen >> Hugh Jackman

And I really really like Hugh, in an almost creepy way, but we're talking about money here.

 

[TheDragonator]

Wolverine made only 300 mil. Every single MCU film but Hulk has already beat that. How the hell do people think it will lose to it?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

That may be true. And if they made a Batman movie and gave us that amount of flying and Superman in the whole movie, the fans would be pissed too.

But it was Thor. And, you know, the amount of flying and of Superman worked for that particular character, given the source material and the focus of the plot.

Yeah, my first point was about the flying, but then when I said 'that amount of Superman', I meant if they only had Superman in costume and using his powers at the very beginning and very end of the movie(like they did with Thor), folk would be screaming murder.
Because the bulk of the movie was Crocodile Thundee.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah, my first point was about the flying, but then when I said 'that amount of Superman', I meant if they only had Superman in costume and using his powers at the very beginning and very end of the movie(like they did with Thor), folk would be screaming murder.
Because the bulk of the movie was Crocodile Thundee.

Actually Thor was in costume for the first 35 minutes and the last 20 minutes which equals about half of the film's runtime which isn't bad for an original film.

Being him to be in his Thor costume any longer than that would have been a pretty irrational expectation.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yeah, my first point was about the flying, but then when I said 'that amount of Superman', I meant if they only had Superman in costume and using his powers at the very beginning and very end of the movie(like they did with Thor), folk would be screaming murder.
Because the bulk of the movie was Crocodile Thundee.

I know what you meant.

the "very beginning" was the whole first act, the "very end" was half of the third act... the amount of Superman was more than enough.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I know what you meant.

the "very beginning" was the whole first act, the "very end" was half of the third act... the amount of Superman was more than enough.

Wolverine was really ****** and one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen. It shouldn't be compared to iron man, thor, cap, etc.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Wolverine was really ****** and one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen. It shouldn't be compared to iron man, thor, cap, etc.

the amount of Superman in Wolverine was not nearly enough an Wolverine wasn't flying all the time. This movie HAD to fail.

 

[Gamma Burst]

the amount of Superman in Wolverine was not nearly enough an Wolverine wasn't flying all the time. This movie HAD to fail.

Yeah, that makes sense.

But ,seriously, what do we, mcu fans, know? We accept anything and we love those 'mediocre' movies... And, yes, the avengers will be another mediocre effort by marvel studios.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yeah, that makes sense.

But ,seriously, what do we, mcu fans, know? We accept anything and we love those 'mediocre' movies... And, yes, the avengers will be another mediocre effort by marvel studios.

Exactly...uhm...what? Is Alexei around? I know he immediatly visited the Thor forum when Jenkins left but has he returned to the Avengers forum too?


Now I'm afraid.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Exactly...uhm...what? Is Alexei around? I know he immediatly visited the Thor forum when Jenkins left but has he returned to the Avengers forum too?


Now I'm afraid.

I think he's only around the Thor forum. With Jenkin's departure came the opportunity to bash the studio, and we know he can't miss that, heehe.
Don't worry: he'll be here again as soon as there is anything negative to be said about the avengers.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Actually Thor was in costume for the first 35 minutes and the last 20 minutes which equals about half of the film's runtime which isn't bad for an original film.

Being him to be in his Thor costume any longer than that would have been a pretty irrational expectation.

Ok, 'in costume' in this unique case doesn't cover what I meant, as of course Thor just sits around talking in scenes that would be the equivalent of another superhero in his civilian I.D., as those were his normal clothes in Asgard. What I meant was you didn't have him as Thor on active duty using his superpowers for much time in the film, and if you had a Superman movie like that, folk would be flipping out.
All you got was the Frost Giant scene and then the finale of the film.