The Dark Knight Will TDK Show Off Batman's Detective Skills?

[Two-Face]

Wait, who's Detective Slant? a Batman Character?

 

[Ronny Shade]

He was created in the sixties and was a campy villain as a corrupt police detective who had the power to make the ground slant thus sending the dynamic duo tumbling over hills when they tried to fight him.

He was brought back in the early nineties and given a whole makeover. Instead he was a detective who was obsessed with finding out the true identity of Batman. He evetually does, and he threatens to take it to the press, Batman nearly ends up kiling him, but doesn't. Instead, Martian Manhunter erases his mind.

 

[Katsuro]

Wait, who's Detective Slant? a Batman Character?

No one, I was kidding.

 

[Two-Face]

Sounds like a lame character.

 

[CFlash]

This thread reminds me of my friends and I playing poker. Conversation goes from psuedo-intellectual comic book talk... to chics... to um, cracking jokes.

The thread is about the movies putting a little more emphasis on the classic noir aspects (sluething, mystery, etc) of Batman in a vein similar to Sin City. *everyone looks at him... "you're a dork dude!"*

 

[The Kid]

well all in all I hope we see some Holmes in batman begins 2.

No, the other Holmes.

Sherlock Batman.

 

[StorminNorman]

This thread reminds me of my friends and I playing poker. Conversation goes from psuedo-intellectual comic book talk... to chics... to um, cracking jokes.

The thread is about the movies putting a little more emphasis on the classic noir aspects (sluething, mystery, etc) of Batman in a vein similar to Sin City. *everyone looks at him... "you're a dork dude!"*

Welcome to the Hype

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I almost started a new thread, but I found this.

Anyway, I was thinking it would have been interesting if Bruce, at a young age, was checked up on by Gordon occasionally. And sometimes Gordon, to entertain Bruce, told him some detective stories which fascinated him. I think it was implied Gordon was just a beat cop, or was he a detective in Batman Begins?

Anyway, in The Dark Knight, we could see flashbacks of this. We see Gordon telling Bruce about some robber they could never find, and how Gordon finally solved the case. Maybe Gordon brought Bruce some "detective comics", and Bruce from then on was fascinated by detective work.

I don't think it specified what Bruce was taking in college. Perhaps Criminal Law, which I believe is required (not necessarily in school however) to eventually become a detective.

Since there would be some time in between BB and TDK, this could be the time Bruce really started to work on his detective work, studying cases slipped to him "under the table" by Gordon. Maybe even solving a few.

Sorry, this may sound silly.

 

[SpiderB]

Just wait till The Riddler shows up in one of these films. Then you'll see Batman's detective side played to the max. He's the best one for that. He poses no physical threat to Batman personally, but pushes his detective skills to the very limit. I could totally see Riddler being portrayed very similarly to the Zodiac Killer, yea?

 

[Sun_Down]

BB lacked any detective work, which was the only real gripe I have with the movie. I know someone will say that the interrogation of Gordon was "detective-like", but I really don't buy that. I really believe TDK will need some flashbacks or something to establish that Bruce has any detective skills at all. Tracking down Joker will be a good way to show him doing some sleuthing, but I really think they need to somehow show that he's been trained in that way.

 

[lujho]

Detective Slant was a little known rip-off of this character:

He appeared in several early Batman stories. Thank heavens such outdated and racially insensitive characters have gone the way of Fu Manchu.

Okay, seriously though - how about instead of taking regular old Batman movies and having him do more detective stuff.... make Batman movies ACTUAL detective stories..

Small little character driven crime yarns. Actual cases that need to be solved. They can still have plenty of action but on a more personal scale. Frankly I'm just sick of all superhero movies, and all Batman movie being the same bloody thing over and over again. Time to broaden the definition of what superhero movies can be.

Make them feel different, for goodness' sake.

And by small... I don't really mean that small. I mean about as "big" as Year One. Or in film terms, maybe something like Casino Royale. Still plenty of scope for visual excitement. Just with lower stakes. Hell, maybe TDK will be something more in line with this, but I doubt it's going to be an actual pure crime/detective story.

 

[BurtonBat]

There are a couple of interesting things to take note of here:

1. When Bruce first fights Ra's he uses a number of different martial arts forms and gets his ass kicked. This indicates he has had prior training but only with the league of shadows does it get fully realized. (Although Bruce was exhausted and could barely stand as he mentioned, one would think it would have been more of a fair fight if he was at full strength.)

2. Batman seems to have some pretty good chemistry knowledge. Remember how he tells Gordon the type of drug Dawes is being affected with? "A hallucinagenic tropogen (sp?), a panic inducing drug" or something to that affect. He also describes it to Alfred when he tells him it's a hallucinagenic weapon in aerosol form. This indicates he has had chemistry experience (although I wish Batman was the one who created the antidote).

3. He shows a certain amount of detective skills in the interrogation of Flass, the arrival at the narrows as he searches the stuffed animals and when he listens in to Rachel talking with the DA.

Now with these points in mind, I recall reading somewhere that TDK will focus moreso on Batman's detective skills, I believe Goyer made mention of it. There were certain things in BB that displayed Batman's skills or the beginnings of them, I think we will see more of them in TDK, hopefully along with flashbacks of other training beyond the league of shadows that shows how he got these skills.

 

[Nepenthes]

Jonah Nolan already said there'd be more detective work for Batman. I bet he uncovers a partial origin for Joker, while tracking him down.

 

[strider]

Jonah Nolan already said there'd be more detective work for Batman. I bet he uncovers a partial origin for Joker, while tracking him down.

This is a good idea....as long as they don't dweal on the Joker for to long.

 

[Nepenthes]

^ It could be done with only two minutes worth of flashbacks in the entire movie, maybe even one minute. Flashbacks would be brief glimpses that Batman is imagining while he talks to crooks/doctors/police or studies files and clues...that way it's never completely certain what happened, it's only Batman's theory. He could even envision multiple theories.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Jonah Nolan already said there'd be more detective work for Batman. I bet he uncovers a partial origin for Joker, while tracking him down.

yeah, im hoping that'll be along the lines of 'The man who laughs' comic where batman was quite detective like when discovering the joker.

 

[spider-neil]

are they going to even HINT at this in the new movie.
there have been 5 movies now and if I didn't read the comics I'd be none the wiser as to his genius.

no hint of his deductive reasoning
no hint of observational skills
no hint of his forensic skills
no gathering of clues

if there is ONE avenue I wish they'd explore for ONCE is the fact bats is supposed to put sherlock holmes to shame.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

is Sherlock Holmes.

 

[spider-neil]

is Sherlock Holmes.

capital letters slow down my typing

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

lol




you know what, he wouldn't put Sherlock to shame..Batman has a host of tech that Sherlock would never been able to have..Sherlock would be the pioneer of modern day Detective skills.

 

[Damiean Dark]

The closest detective work i have seen is in B89 when he cracks jokers chemical code and BF where he works out riddlers riddles.

 

[Phaser]

are they going to even HINT at this in the new movie.
there have been 5 movies now and if I didn't read the comics I'd be none the wiser as to his genius.

no hint of his deductive reasoning
no hint of observational skills
no hint of his forensic skills
no gathering of clues

if there is ONE avenue I wish they'd explore for ONCE is the fact bats is supposed to put sherlock holmes to shame.

Batman's detective skills have been shown in B89, Batman Returns and Batman Begins. Even Batman Forever had more than a handful of scenes that showed how smart Bruce really is. Go watch the films again.

 

[Steelsheen]

give him time guys, give him time.

 

[COMPO]

it's only just begun.

^is that a song?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Actually if you just pay attention when you watch Begins there are plenty of times you see him showing off his detective skills.