Sequels Will the X3 'haters' ever accept another director's vision?

[X-Maniac]

It's very possible that any further X-movies will not be directed by Bryan Singer...

Those who love Bryan's work on X1 and X2, and disliked the lack of Singer's touch on X3, must prepare themselves for this possibility.

What if the Wolverine movie, or an X4, or Magneto movie, or an X-students movie, is NOTHING to do with Bryan Singer. What if another director comes in, another creative team, another cinematographer, another production designer, another set of writers????

What do those who dislike the changes in tone between X1/X2 and X3 think of this? Will they ever accept anyone other than Bryan Singer? What if Zack or Guillermo comes in and does a total reinterpretation of the mythos to suit their 'vision'????

I'll be interested to hear those who hate X3 give their views on what they think if yet another director gets his hands on the X-franchise, especially as Singer is more than likely not going to come back. Do the haters have valium prescriptions at the ready? Can they ever accept any other director aside from Singer?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

As long as the movies are good, no problem at all. The problem with X3 isn't the lack of Bryan Singer per se. It's the lack of character development (to some extent), emotion, good use of action that Singer acquired. The problem is that X3 isn't a good movie, considering or not the comic books. X1 and X2 might not even be good when you consider the comic background, but, as movies, they were excellent. X3 is just not intelligent and elegant like the predecessors. It's got "Summer Movie" stamped all over it, which the last two were, but brought a surprisingly intelligent plot to a summer movie. X3 deceased and chose the easy way. The last two films were good films, that is the point.

So, as long the next team bring us a story that actually makes sense, good lines, intelligent action without the "just because" factor, and some development to the characters, I'm all fine. I know Singer isn't coming back. But for god's sake, get rid of Ratner and those writers.

And FOX must have noticed this, since they asked Bryan to come back. Since he said no, we can at least hope that this time they will choose people with talent to make a movie.

Besides, you really could drop your valium sarcasm and start treating people with more respect, especially since you are the first poster and no one had the time to start the bashing just yet. You do sound like you think you're more intelligent than others just because you like X3. Pf.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Some of us actually didn't even like Singer's take on it.

Good/decent flicks? Sure.

Good/decent adaptation? Bwahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha. *catches breath for a bit* Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.


But anyway...

As a X-3 hater, I must say I don't quite get what's with all the X-3 bashing when it comes to characterization in X3.

Yeah, the script was horrible and most of the characters were all wrong and had no purpose.

But damnit, it's not like Ratner pulled a bloody 180 on every character. For crying out loud, who wasn't expecting Wolvie to turn into a f****n Mary Sue after X2 anyway???!!!

The point is, there already was quite a lot to fix after X2. Ratner and Cie might've made it even worse, but it's not as if Singer's flicks were the Holy Grail of x-men adaptations.

So, hey, any director that actually knows jacks**t about the comicbooks and doesn't overidentify with a few select characters would've done it since day one in my book. Hell, if such a person was hired to helm an X-4, I might just give it a bloody chance.

Well, actually, no I won't since the mere existence of an X-4 would be a refusal to aknowledge that X-3 was a miserable rendering of the DS saga, but said stance would have nothing to do with the actual X-4 director. t:

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Some of us actually didn't even like Singer's take on it.

Good/decent flicks? Sure.

Good/decent adaptation? Bwahahahahahaahaha. *catches breath for a bit* Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Funny, to me all that matters is if they are good movies, on themselves. I must not be that much of a die-hard fan Or maybe I just like movies more than X-men...

 

[X-Maniac]

The problem is though that any new writers/director/cinematographer is going to create a different tone, and may create inconsistencies with what has been seen before.

What if there are some parts of the Wolverine movie that do not fit exactly with what we saw in the X-movies?

What if Magneto has his forcefield bubble in the next X-movie? What if the Danger Room looks different? What if Storm shows her claustrophobia or has her accent again?

Will people ever accept the differences that another creative vision brings?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

The problem is though that any new writers/director/cinematographer is going to create a different tone, and may create inconsistencies with what has been seen before.

What if there are some parts of the Wolverine movie that do not fit exactly with what we saw in the X-movies?

What if Magneto has his forcefield bubble in the next X-movie? What if the Danger Room looks different? What if Storm shows her claustrophobia or has her accent again?

Will people ever accept the differences that another creative vision brings?

As long as the movies are good, no problem at all.

...

 

[Silvermoth]

Some of us actually didn't even like Singer's take on it.

Good/decent flicks? Sure.

Good/decent adaptation? Bwahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha. *catches breath for a bit* Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.


But anyway...

As a X-3 hater, I must say I don't quite get what's with all the X-3 bashing when it comes to characterization in X3.

Yeah, the script was horrible and most of the characters were all wrong and had no purpose.

But damnit, it's not like Ratner pulled a bloody 180 on every character. For crying out loud, who wasn't expecting Wolvie to turn into a f****n Mary Sue after X2 anyway???!!!

The point is, there already was quite a lot to fix after X2. Ratner and Cie might've made it even worse, but it's not as if Singer's flicks were the Holy Grail of x-men adaptations.

So, hey, any director that actually knows jacks**t about the comicbooks and doesn't overidentify with a few select characters would've done it since day one in my book. Hell, if such a person was hired to helm an X-4, I might just give it a bloody chance.

Well, actually, no I won't since the mere existence of an X-4 would be a refusal to aknowledge that X-3 was a miserable rendering of the DS saga, but said stance would have nothing to do with the actual X-4 director. t:

Singer may not be perfect. But he's the best we've got.

As for whether people didn't accept X3 because it had a different creative vision, that is totally not the case. The lack of developement, the cheesy dialogue, the extreme deviations from the comic book that made no sense, thats what ruined X3. If someone actually made a good X-film, regardless of their "style", it would be applauded I'm sure

 

[BMM]

A number of people’s problems with X-Men: The Last Stand extend beyond the fact that Bryan Singer didn’t direct X-Men 3. I don’t think any fan ever expected (or wanted) Bryan Singer to be the sole director of the X-Men films for the remainder of their existence. I do think, however, that most fans expected the original creative team to be allowed to finish their particular vision in order to avoid what has been proven time and time again by other franchises when their original creative teams were suddenly replaced. X-Men: The Last Stand received the same kind of reaction Raimi’s Spider-Man films would have received had someone else suddenly been brought in to finish what he started… the same can be said for Nolan’s Batman… or perhaps more appropriately Burton’s Batman or Donner’s Superman, etc. Franchises (especially ones which set to adapt and tell a particular story) don’t benefit from having a rocky and unexpected change such as what the X-Men franchise encountered… and surprise, surprise a lot of people agree that history has repeated itself yet again.

Perhaps the more appropriate question is, will X3 “lovers” (whatever this black and white division is about) ever be able to accept the fact that some people don’t like or are disappointed with X-Men 3 based upon its own merits rather than by the absence of its former director?

That said, I wouldn’t worry about many fans being angered by Singer’s absence from future films. The conclusion to his story is “finished” regardless of what people think about the manner in which it was done. That’s one of the reasons I’m looking forward to the spin-offs… few former attachments.

 

[Mike059jig]

How about we want good X-films regardless of the director....

No we don't want Singer to direct every X-movie......

But he been the only director thats been able to do a great X-men.....that is well like by Comic book fans and General audience....So he is used as an Example a lot..........

The Harry Potter movies have had many different directors for each movie.....who had many different styles but still are able to do a great movie regardless....

other director vision are welcomed but they better know how to make their vision work and to make a good movie.....

 

[Angamb]

A first step is having all the characters, the main ones, the same screentime, more or less, not just one as God and the rest as his friends. This way, we'll a better film. Then a good plot, and emotional scenes, more dialogue, so a better film yet, and then and finally good action (and I'd say less action, less but better).

 

[RagingTempest]

It's very possible that any further X-movies will not be directed by Bryan Singer...

Those who love Bryan's work on X1 and X2, and disliked the lack of Singer's touch on X3, must prepare themselves for this possibility.

What if the Wolverine movie, or an X4, or Magneto movie, or an X-students movie, is NOTHING to do with Bryan Singer. What if another director comes in, another creative team, another cinematographer, another production designer, another set of writers????

What do those who dislike the changes in tone between X1/X2 and X3 think of this? Will they ever accept anyone other than Bryan Singer? What if Zack or Guillermo comes in and does a total reinterpretation of the mythos to suit their 'vision'????

I'll be interested to hear those who hate X3 give their views on what they think if yet another director gets his hands on the X-franchise, especially as Singer is more than likely not going to come back. Do the haters have valium prescriptions at the ready? Can they ever accept any other director aside from Singer?

There are plenty of directors out there capable of making a great X-men film!!! It's seems that those you disliked Bryan's X-films, loved Brett's X-film, as well!!! What made Bryan's films great was they were more emotional films to the core with action to move the story along, while Brett was just an action-special effects fest!!! The action in X3 was fine, but the story and characters were very thin!!! But it's not like Bryan didn't have flaws in his films. Half of the characters lacked the personality from their comic book counterparts and were poor representations!! Not to mention, Wolverine had too much of a focus, but luckily, his stories made up for that!! What future X sequels need is a director who understands all characters, can give all of them equal screen time, have a good mix of action and developement!! Directors like Tim Burton and The Wachowski Brothers are good examples because their movies actually got the comics' concepts and characters.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

A first step is having all the characters, the main ones, the same screentime, more or less, not just one as God and the rest as his friends. This way, we'll a better film. Then a good plot, and emotional scenes, more dialogue, so a better film yet, and then and finally good action (and I'd say less action, less but better).

singer wasn't good on this as well. he also overexposed wolverine and look what he did with storm and cyclops.

 

[Angamb]

I know. But compared to X3, his two films were better in terms of story, dialogue, emotion... don't mind at all the action, at least now.