Sequels Lauren Shuler Donner talks X-Men: First Class, Gambit and Deadpool

[neemer5]

I'm really hoping they work with Joss Whedon. He seems to really understand X-Men, and is willing to work with Fox again, but doesn't seem likely to take their crap. Plus Dollhouse is gonna get cancelled, so he needs work.

 

[psyonic]

X-Men 4 with Bryan Singer directing! I'd pay 100 bucks to watch it, or watch it as many times 100 dollars can allow me to.

 

[zenith16]

I'm really hoping they work with Joss Whedon. He seems to really understand X-Men, and is willing to work with Fox again, but doesn't seem likely to take their crap. Plus Dollhouse is gonna get cancelled, so he needs work.

hmmm then i doubt he'll work with them again once it's cancelled.

as to singer I'm not surei want him back and I'm not sure he wants to work with fox again. you know what? if he doesn't , I 'll under stand . beside's it'll just be more wolverine movies called x-men so, I don't think it's agood idea any more.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ugh, i really dont see how a gambit movie would be interesting at all you're taking out 2 of his major interesting stories, the X-men, and Rogue.

 

[Ares23]

Singer should comeback to the xmen franchise on xmen 4!!!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Singer should comeback to the xmen franchise on xmen 4!!!

i have mixed feelings about that... why do people want singer? he's not the only one that can do a good film. Singer made half the cast miserable, fought with fox (both can't stand eachother now) he played "selfish little brat" with fox... He broke his X3 contract (a big no no in hollywood) to direct superman returns... then when fox "punished" him, he tried to take some of the X3 cast with him! (Marsden, Ashmore, and even Jensen) unfortunately, he got Marsden. So due to both kids not being able to play nice, we had to craptastic movies. Superman Returns was beat to the ground (in terms of profit) by both X3 and Pirates 2 (i think it was pirates 2? or pirates 3?). Fox should have worried about the quality of X3 ( i whole heartidly believe that), but Singer was very very unprofessional.

not only that, but he over used wolverine, wanted emma frost to be Xaviers old lover (played by sigourney weaver), is the man that told storm she couldn't fly, never let the team fight as a team, and butchered characters like Iceman and Rogue.

I'm sorry, but singer while is great at capturing drama on film sucks at everything else, including action (see superman returns for that as well).

 

[Deaths Head II]

i have mixed feelings about that... why do people want singer? he's not the only one that can do a good film.

Hood proved that Singer is the only good director who could make a good X-Men film.

The X-Men films were his babies. I don't think we're going to get any new X-Men films that are on the level of X2 unless we either get Singer back or we get a reboot.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hood proved that Singer is the only good director who could make a good X-Men film.

The X-Men films were his babies. I don't think we're going to get any new X-Men films that are on the level of X2 unless we either get Singer back or we get a reboot.

yes... because we all know because one person fails... all directors on earth fail

 

[Project862006]

2 people failed Ratner and Hood

 

[psyonic]

It annoys me to no end knowing that Singer would have kept X-Men 3 true to the Phoenix saga, and we would have gotten X-Men 4 since it was to be shot back to back with X3. FOX is the bane of my existence!

 

[Deaths Head II]

yes... because we all know because one person fails... all directors on earth fail

I think the fact we had three directors and only Singer, the guy who started the series, made the only really great X-Film is proof enough.

It's like when they removed Donner from the Superman films. He left the series prematurely and not one out of the three directors that tried to continue his story really succeeded. I'm sorry, but this IS the Singerverse. If they don't get Singer to direct the damn Singerverse films then they might as well end them.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It annoys me to no end knowing that Singer would have kept X-Men 3 true to the Phoenix saga, and we would have gotten X-Men 4 since it was to be shot back to back with X3. FOX is the bane of my existence!

that's very arguable.... infact singer said nothing about X3 till way after the fan back lash... and "claimed" (which btw is bogus becaus zak pen once mentioned as soon as singer started the fued, he trashed all his X3 ideas), then again, "claimed" how he would have done X3... which was pretty much the opposite of all the X3 complaints like he said "cyclops would play a big role" and such like that. And personally the way i know Singer, and the many reviews i've read, and him trying to steal the X-men cast away, as well as some people i know who know him in real life... it was a petty attempt for him to swoon fans, and just tried to make himself look good. Brian is known for being a selfish prick and very much into himself.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think the fact we had three directors and only Singer, the guy who started the series, made the only really great X-Film is proof enough.

It's like when they removed Donner from the Superman films. He left the series prematurely and not one out of the three directors that tried to continue his story really succeeded. I'm sorry, but this IS the Singerverse. If they don't get Singer to direct the damn Singerverse films then they might as well end them.

well to be fair, all 4 x-men films have had completely different feels from the others (yes X1 and X2 by singer, even felt completely different in ways). Just because fox decided to cheap out and the producers didn't take enough control over the films, does not mean its the directors faults only.

basically what your saying is the same thing as "since lincoln was a good president and got it right, lincoln can only be the good president" etc... etc... . There are plenty of directors who could make good x-men films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Singer's not the only director who can do X-Men. While I liked his 2 movies, they are still flawed, and I think this perception of him being the one and only is only based on people liking his movies more cause we got lesser films subsequently. This doesn't mean he is the only one who can, and IMO, we can do even better than his films. At the very least, better than X1.

FOX is a big obstacle in the way of good X-Men films. This is obvious, but to say Singer is the only one who can make it work is wrong thinking IMO. The only way this franchise will be up to par is to think forward and put the film's quality first. Not rush the films and putting in as many mutants as possible like FOX has been doing. There's many directors capable of doing great things with X-Men. We just have to hope FOX finds one of them and allows him to do his thing at some point...which I am not optimistic about, but one can hope.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Singer's not the only director who can do X-Men. While I liked his 2 movies, they are still flawed, and I think this perception of him being the one and only is only based on people liking his movies more cause we got lesser films subsequently. This doesn't mean he is the only one who can, and IMO, we can do even better than his films. At the very least, better than X1.

FOX is a big obstacle in the way of good X-Men films. This is obvious, but to say Singer is the only one who can make it work is wrong thinking IMO. The only way this franchise will be up to par is to think forward and put the film's quality first. Not rush the films and putting in as many mutants as possible like FOX has been doing. There's many directors capable of doing great things with X-Men. We just have to hope FOX finds one of them and allows him to do his thing at some point...which I am not optimistic about, but one can hope.

agrees, both fox and singer were afraid to take risks and make the franchise all that it could be. Personally hell, i even think the Shiar could have worked in the movie universes, obviously not the ones singer developed, but a potential new x-men franchise. It'd just have to be taken seriously.

Singer was afraid to have the x-men even use there powers unless they needed to. He understood the mutant metaphor, but severely lacked the respect of peoples characterizations.

 

[Canemacar]

I wonder what the likelihood of Gambit getting a solo movie, or at least appearing in wolverine 2 is? They've got to give him something, First class 2 won't be for another 5 years, if ever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

agrees, both fox and singer were afraid to take risks and make the franchise all that it could be. Personally hell, i even think the Shiar could have worked in the movie universes, obviously not the ones singer developed, but a potential new x-men franchise. It'd just have to be taken seriously.

Singer was afraid to have the x-men even use there powers unless they needed to. He understood the mutant metaphor, but severely lacked the respect of peoples characterizations.

Agreed. The first two X-Men films toned down certain character's powers, and it seemed like he was afraid to let certain characters loose at many points. This is one area I felt X3 was stronger. Storm, Magneto, Iceman, Pyro, etc. were allowed more freedom in their powers use. I'd like to see someone whom embraces the the mutant powers and embraces the out there elements of the X-Men world more. You can't do certain X-Men stories without certain elements being embraced, which is a big reason the Phoenix has never worked without the Shiar and such on film or in the Ultimate world.

Meld storytelling ability and action/powers skills, and we'll get X-Men films that make Singer's films not look as good anymore. Doing away with FOX would help, but not gonna happen anytime soon

 

[spideyboy_1111]

eh i dont personally want gambit in anything pre X-men...

he can't carry a movie alone, and 2 big aspects of his stories involve both rogue and the x-men. Personally i say let him age slow, and have his solo film take place post X3... and have him and rogue go off on an adventure or something... I think Kitsch and Paquin would have great chemistry as well

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Agreed. The first two X-Men films toned down certain character's powers, and it seemed like he was afraid to let certain characters loose at many points. This is one area I felt X3 was stronger. Storm, Magneto, Iceman, Pyro, etc. were allowed more freedom in their powers use. I'd like to see someone whom embraces the the mutant powers and embraces the out there elements of the X-Men world more. You can't do certain X-Men stories without certain elements being embraced, which is a big reason the Phoenix has never worked without the Shiar and such on film or in the Ultimate world.

Meld storytelling ability and action/powers skills, and we'll get X-Men films that make Singer's films not look as good anymore. Doing away with FOX would help, but not gonna happen anytime soon

I think phoenix can easily work without the shiar... the mental blocks, while not explained well enough were key in that.

X3 really should have explained how it was part of her powers all along, and that something must have happened to xaviers mental blocks in X1 (magnetos machine) that caused the "dam" to break in her head at the end of X2.

The phoenix has been kinda retconned to be meant for jean since the beginning anyway, and just a part of her power that found her later in life.

 

[zenith16]

I was about to say the same thing but spideyboy_1111 beat me too it. movie ice man's eyes are already wondering any way, I'd hook him up with emma any way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think phoenix can easily work without the shiar... the mental blocks, while not explained well enough were key in that.

X3 really should have explained how it was part of her powers all along, and that something must have happened to xaviers mental blocks in X1 (magnetos machine) that caused the "dam" to break in her head at the end of X2.

The phoenix has been kinda retconned to be meant for jean since the beginning anyway, and just a part of her power that found her later in life.

That actually would have made sense, but they also made a mistake in making the Phoenix too much of a side story. I mean, Magneto's plot line unfolds and ends while Jean does nothing, and only does something when that plot line is done with. It's like the writer's went "Oh yeah, we have to wrap this up somehow too!" It felt forgotten too much in X3, and they should have made that plot line more major (on top of writing it better).

3rd films seem to try juggling multiple stories and it fails miserably. If I were making films, I wouldn't do that. I'd have one prime plot, and stick with it. The Phoenix story may have been more coherent if they did that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That actually would have made sense, but they also made a mistake in making the Phoenix too much of a side story. I mean, Magneto's plot line unfolds and ends while Jean does nothing, and only does something when that plot line is done with. It's like the writer's went "Oh yeah, we have to wrap this up somehow too!" It felt forgotten too much in X3, and they should have made that plot line more major (on top of writing it better).

3rd films seem to try juggling multiple stories and it fails miserably. If I were making films, I wouldn't do that. I'd have one prime plot, and stick with it. The Phoenix story may have been more coherent if they did that.

well my argument wasn't that X3 did phoenix justice (thats far from the truth) my argument was just saying, as much as i could see the shiar in an x-men movie work (visually i think they would look really cool with there feathers and all), that they are not needed in order to tell a good phoenix story. Clearly X3 was not a good phoenix story.

 

[Project862006]

i think the problem is fox didn't see it going past a trilogy which was a huge mistake

 

[katie_girl09]

eh i dont personally want gambit in anything pre X-men...

he can't carry a movie alone, and 2 big aspects of his stories involve both rogue and the x-men. Personally i say let him age slow, and have his solo film take place post X3... and have him and rogue go off on an adventure or something... I think Kitsch and Paquin would have great chemistry as well

Wow. Have you ever read Gambit's first on-going? He's an interesting character even without Rogue. And how can characters like Elektra carry their own movie when Gambit can't?

 

[BMM]

Elektra couldn't carry her own movie.