Infinity War Will there be no Adam Warlock? (spoilers)

[Picard Stewart]

That sounds lame as fuk, it would actually be easier to introduce the real Adam Warlock in Guardians than what you just suggested.
People's whole argument for this is because Visions origin is similar? Who says Adam's origin has to be exactly the same as the comics anyway?

Dude, it IS lame but you can't do Adam any other way now.

Blame Disney and Feige. I'm trying to make the best of this.

At this point Gunn isn't doing Adam because Vision is Adam.

 

[DoubleO88]

I fully expect Adam Warlok to not only be in The Infinity Wars movies but also GOTG 2. He has already been teased and like most have said he plays a big part in the infinity storyline. I saw this somewhere else but it makes a lot of sense to me.

T-Tesseract-Space Stone
H-HIM/Adam Warlok-Soul Stone
A-Aether-Reality Stone
N-Necklace/eye of agamotto-Time Stone
O-Orb-Power Stone
S-Secpter-Mind Stone

I'm thinking he will have a mentor/coaching role like Nick Fury has at the moment. Just appears and peps talks people. He'll have a very observing god kind of role I hope.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I fully expect Adam Warlok to not only be in The Infinity Wars movies but also GOTG 2. He has already been teased and like most have said he plays a big part in the infinity storyline. I saw this somewhere else but it makes a lot of sense to me.

T-Tesseract-Space Stone
H-HIM/Adam Warlok-Soul Stone
A-Aether-Reality Stone
N-Necklace/eye of agamotto-Time Stone
O-Orb-Power Stone
S-Secpter-Mind Stone

He was teased but that was thrown out after they chose to make Vision into Adam. That's why Gunn confirmed the cocoon wasn't Adam's after a year of saying it was.

He's still going to play a huge role in Infinity Wars just packaged as Vision. That's why Thor saw Vision/Adam in his vision of the Gauntlet.

 

[DoubleO88]

Look anything is possible man, what you say could happen. I've been disappointed enough times to know they could pull lame **** like this, especially with Gunn saying it wasn't Adam's cocoon at the end of GOTG and him stating he never lies apparently.

BUT Vision having similar origins and speaking in a similar way (dunno how you worked that one out) is simply not enough evidence to claim that he will replace Adam's role as a fact.

It's speculation at best. I've read Infinity Gauntlet and I've read up on Adam Warlock's origins, the similarities are there but it's kind of reaching.

If Thor had went off world and grabbed the Soul Gem from Odins Vault or something then gave it to Vision, you may be on to something, but no. The only reason the Mind Gem is yellow is because thats the colour of the actual gem in Visions head in the comics. The soul gem will probably be orange.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Look anything is possible man, what you say could happen. I've been disappointed enough times to know they could pull lame **** like this, especially with Gunn saying it wasn't Adam's cocoon at the end of GOTG and him stating he never lies apparently.

BUT Vision having similar origins and speaking in a similar way (dunno how you worked that one out) is simply not enough evidence to claim that he will replace Adam's role as a fact.

It's speculation at best. I've read Infinity Gauntlet and I've read up on Adam Warlock's origins, the similarities are there but it's kind of reaching.

If Thor had went off world and grabbed the Soul Gem from Odins Vault or something then gave it to Vision, you may be on to something, but no. The only reason the Mind Gem is yellow is because thats the colour of the actual gem in Visions head in the comics. The soul gem will probably be orange.

My evidence is vast, man.

-Vision being born not a mechanical android but rather bio-engineered with organic flesh by Cho (like Adam by the High Evolutionary)
-The fact that his consciousness comes from the gem making the two symbiotic (like Adam and the Soul Gem)
-Thor sees him in his vision of the events to come involving the Gauntlet, hence trusting him upon his "birth"
-His dialogue from beginning to end in the film. His position on life and death. "I simply am."
-His lifting of Mjolnir. Adam is a saint. He is more worthy than anyone else in the Marvel Universe. He is literally the Avatar of Life created to oppose Thanos - The Avatar of Death.
-The butterfly he sees, which I thought was an epic giveaway to anyone who didn't recognize Adam when he opened his mouth.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Your condescending approach to posting makes me wanna vomit. If you took a break from being a five-year-old you could learn something from this thread. You didn't recognize the BLATANT portrayal of Adam Warlock Bettany gave in AOU so your alleged knowledge of "all things Marvel" is epically flawed.

You'd think the butterfly nod would tip people off.

You and the OP have lost your damn mind. Let me know what MS plans for their other phases next time you have a sit down with Feige and co

 

[Spiderine]

Sounds like a lot of people gonna be pissed because I think they are gonna change the hell out of this story judging from Gunn's comments about them saying his script for GOTG2 was very risky. Whatever it is Marvel ok'd it. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something super crazy like make the Magus into Quill's father. Some twisted version of Skywalker/Vader ****.

Whatever the case these people aint gonna stick to the comics. He may have been Warlock when he met his mother and became Magus with the stone.

 

[Spiderine]

Dude, it IS lame but you can't do Adam any other way now.

Blame Disney and Feige. I'm trying to make the best of this.

At this point Gunn isn't doing Adam because Vision is Adam.

He still may do Adam. It just may be a version you never seen before. His own version.

 

[Picard Stewart]

He still may do Adam. It just may be a version you never seen before. His own version.

Dude, Whedon already did Adam.

Its clear Gunn was going to adapt him hence the cocoon in TDW & GOTG. Up until November when he recorded the commentary he was still saying it was Adam's cocoon. Then in January he says it isn't. That means he got word from Marvel right before January that Whedon had done Adam via Vision in AOU. He probably had to make changes to the script.

There's no point in Gunn adapting Adam now that he's been adapted by Whedon (and packaged as Vision).

What there's hope for is Vision further visually transitioning into Adam by the time Infinity Wars hits.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Sounds like a lot of people gonna be pissed because I think they are gonna change the hell out of this story judging from Gunn's comments about them saying his script for GOTG2 was very risky. Whatever it is Marvel ok'd it. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something super crazy like make the Magus into Quill's father. Some twisted version of Skywalker/Vader ****.

Whatever the case these people aint gonna stick to the comics. He may have been Warlock when he met his mother and became Magus with the stone.

You can still do the Magus even with Vision/Warlock, the storyline can remain virtually unaltered except for Adam having an origin where he's not created by the Enclave but rather by Dr. Cho at Ultron's behest.

The more I digest this the more I realize Adam can still be salvaged. Its Vision who's been completely sacrificed.

 

[SuperSanchez]

So why cant Adam Warlock be brought into the universe? Whats his origin got to do with how Vision was created in AoU?

 

[Picard Stewart]

So why cant Adam Warlock be brought into the universe? Whats his origin got to do with how Vision was created in AoU?

Adam has been brought into the MCU - via Vision.

They took the Vision's look and slapped it onto Adam Warlock.

He was Vision in name only. From this point on he can go on to do all the things Adam did after he left the Enclave, and as I've been saying, hopefully he'll name himself Adam in the next film given that he doesn't have one right now.

 

[thorstone]

Some fans are just not going to accept it until someone on-high confirms it or we get to Infinity War and Vision is in Adam Warlock's role. People can't believe their lying eyes.

 

[DoubleO88]

So if Adam Warlock in all his glory shows up in GOTG 2, are you and Thorstone gonna have panic attacks and aneurysms?
You talk about Vision being Warlock like you're damn Kevin Feige yourselves!!

 

[Picard Stewart]

So if Adam Warlock in all his glory shows up in GOTG 2, are you and Thorstone gonna have panic attacks and aneurysms?
You talk about Vision being Warlock like you're damn Kevin Feige yourselves!!

I talk about Vision being Warlock because I've seen the movie. Any real Warlock fan can identify him the moment Bettany opened his mouth - and I already had suspicions when Thor saw him in his vision of the Gauntlet.

 

[Tony Stark]

Adam has been brought into the MCU - via Vision.

They took the Vision's look and slapped it onto Adam Warlock.

He was Vision in name only. From this point on he can go on to do all the things Adam did after he left the Enclave, and as I've been saying, hopefully he'll name himself Adam in the next film given that he doesn't have one right now.

You keep saying this with ZERO proof. Yes they are using his role in infinity wars as Adam Warlock, but this is Vision first.

 

[flickchick85]

You are an idiot if you think this is even remotely true. I have read comics since the 80's and I'm very familiar with all things Marvel. Feige and co have already stated that cosmic Marvel is important to them so why would they then replace one of the most important cosmic characters for an Earth based Avenger? Just because there are similarities between 2 characters does not mean one is replacing the other. I highly doubt FOX owns Adam's rights considering Inhumans would then belong to them if we are going to play that game. This is just some of the absolute dumbest fanboy fever dream I have ever read here on the Hype. I only return to this thread out of pure morbid curiosity from it's sheer stupidity.

Your condescending approach to posting makes me wanna vomit. If you took a break from being a five-year-old you could learn something from this thread. You didn't recognize the BLATANT portrayal of Adam Warlock Bettany gave in AOU so your alleged knowledge of "all things Marvel" is epically flawed.

You'd think the butterfly nod would tip people off.

You both need to dial back the attitude. This goes for the whole thread: If you can't have this Vision/Warlock debate without insulting each other, then take it somewhere else.

 

[Tony Stark]

So if Adam Warlock in all his glory shows up in GOTG 2, are you and Thorstone gonna have panic attacks and aneurysms?
You talk about Vision being Warlock like you're damn Kevin Feige yourselves!!

I think Adam Warlock can still be a character, although James Gunn seems not to be very concerned about bringing him forth.

I think the role that AW played in Infinity Gauntlet will be played by Vision, because of the implanting of the mind gem. There were other similarites like the "cradle" instead of the "cocoon".

It's really no different than having Tony help create Ultron instead of Pym. They are just transfering AW's role in Infinity Gauntlet to Vision, not the character.

However the rest of what PS says is simply his interpretation of things.

 

[DoubleO88]

But how does that make sense though? Surely Thanos would've killed Vision to get the mind gem from his head? And if he doesn't, how can Vision function without the Mind Gem? Adam Warlock can function without the Soul Gem but the way they've set Vision up seems like he needs the Mind Gem to be able to do the things he does.

On top of all that, the appeal of Adam Warlock is that he's cosmic and other worldly, I thought Marvel wanted to explore that side more, giving Warlocks role to an earth born hero like Vision sort of kills that concept of Thanos and Warlock being other worldly opposites of each other?

 

[Picard Stewart]

I think Adam Warlock can still be a character, although James Gunn seems not to be very concerned about bringing him forth.

I think the role that AW played in Infinity Gauntlet will be played by Vision, because of the implanting of the mind gem. There were other similarites like the "cradle" instead of the "cocoon".

It's really no different than having Tony help create Ultron instead of Pym. They are just transfering AW's role in Infinity Gauntlet to Vision, not the character.

However the rest of what PS says is simply his interpretation of things.

When he said "I am not Ultron. I am not Jarvis. I am." it really didn't scream Space Jesus to you?

 

[DoubleO88]

When he said "I am not Ultron. I am not Jarvis. I am." it really didn't scream Space Jesus to you?

He's not even from space dude! How can he be space jesus if he's not from space!?

His Gem is from space but he was born on earth.

 

[Picard Stewart]

But how does that make sense though? Surely Thanos would've killed Vision to get the mind gem from his head? And if he doesn't, how can Vision function without the Mind Gem? Adam Warlock can function without the Soul Gem but the way they've set Vision up seems like he needs the Mind Gem to be able to do the things he does.

On top of all that, the appeal of Adam Warlock is that he's cosmic and other worldly, I thought Marvel wanted to explore that side more, giving Warlocks role to an earth born hero like Vision sort of kills that concept of Thanos and Warlock being other worldly opposites of each other?

All you have to do, which is what I've been doing since my second viewing of AOU (seen it three times already) is pretend Adam was always born Vision in the comics. You replace the High Evolutionary/Enclave with Dr. Cho and everything can be very much the way it is in the comics afterwards. Watching AOU with the knowledge that its Adam in Vision's duds makes for a spot-on Adam Warlock adaptation.

"I am on the side of life. Ultron isn't. He will end it all. I don't want to kill Ultron. He's unique and he's in pain and that pain will roll over the earth. So he must be destroyed. Every form he's built, every trace of his presence on the net. We have to act now and not one of us can do it without the others. Maybe I am a monster. I don't think I'd know if I were one. I'm not what you are and I'm not what you intended. So there may be no way to make you trust me...but we need to go."

That speech immediately took me to Adam's in IG when he first arrives and needs everyone to trust him and unify.

Thanos and Warlock can still be destined to battle each other and will in Infinity War.

He's not even from space dude! How can he be space jesus if he's not from space!?

His Gem is from space but he was born on Earth.

Adam was born on Earth too. He later ascends and thus begins his messianic cosmic story.

 

[Tony Stark]

There's no high evolutionary, he's not there to save the manbeast, he's not going to be crucified on an ank.

At the most it's an amalgamation of Adam Warlock and Vision, but his speech to the Avengers is exactly what he says to the team in Avengers 58 otherwise known as "even an android can cry" when he was convincing the team that he was not a threat.

 

[thorstone]

You keep saying this with ZERO proof. Yes they are using his role in infinity wars as Adam Warlock, but this is Vision first.

If they put a character into GOTG named Adam Warlock, it will be Warlock in name only. You can't do Warlock's origin with one character, portray that character like Warlock, and give that character his role in Infinity War; and still pretend to do Adam Warlock in GOTG (never crossing over into the Gauntlet plot).

When he said "I am not Ultron. I am not Jarvis. I am." it really didn't scream Space Jesus to you?

He is robo-Jesus now.

 

[Tony Stark]

I never said they are doing AW in GOTG. James Gunn never said they were either. The cocoon in the Collector's museum was simply an easter egg, not a promise of things to come.

Vison's origin was not Warlock's origin it was Vision's origin. The only difference is they are using Jarvis as the memory patterns instead of Wonder Man's. The only Adam Warlock stuff was him having the mind gem, and using the cradle as a cocoon of sorts.

The only part I'm disagreeing with is PS saying this is "Vision in name only." He's seeing what he wants to see. It's an amalgamation at best, other than that it's just a transference ala Tony creating Ultron. It makes for simpler story telling.

Do you honestly think they are going to have a scene showing Vision getting crucified?

Heck the rescue scene with Wanda alone shows where they are going with the character. And Wanda reading his mind and him telling her to read his mind again.