Will this be the last one?

[Spider-Fan]

Your missing the point buddy... the Lizard story line really can't work as a climactic finale for the franchise... you'd have to do a restart... that's why they should end it with this trilogy and do SM4 with the new cast like four years from now if they stil think they can make money... or take a break from the films.

I am not missing any point. You can't center a trilogy around Lizard. You can only do that with the Goblins and Symbiotes, which are already covered in 1-3. The Lizard is Spidey's next best villain. He provides a movie with a great story, and neat fighting sequences. As good as say Sandman or Ock? Probably not, but if you're going for bigger fights than them, Carnage and maybe Mysterio (who may be in this one) are the only ones left.

At that point, you have to go for the best remaining story. I choose Lizard over Carnage, or Hobgoblin, or any of his other villains who can be a main villain. You can end the franchise nicely with the Lizard. You may not think so, but I think so.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am not missing any point. You can't center a trilogy around Lizard. You can only do that with the Goblins and Symbiotes, which are already covered in 1-3. The Lizard is Spidey's next best villain. He provides a movie with a great story, and neat fighting sequences. As good as say Sandman or Ock? Probably not, but if you're going for bigger fights than them, Carnage and maybe Mysterio (who may be in this one) are the only ones left.

At that point, you have to go for the best remaining story. I choose Lizard over Carnage, or Hobgoblin, or any of his other villains who can be a main villain. You can end the franchise nicely with the Lizard. You may not think so, but I think so.

Who said you have to center the trilogy around Lizard... he can just be the opening first movie villain... but you certainly can have other players in the background... true it's the best story left... but that doesn't mean its good enough... as you admitted yourself... it's a downgrade... Carnage is the only guy left but he is lame as hell... that's why SM3 needs to be the last... would be waste of a film and it would probably end the franchise if they just did a SPidey saving lizard from a hunter in a Halloween costume flick... whatever opinion you have on that... you know it can't make much more than 300 million especially with cast changes... then the franchise becomes Batman overnight... I agree though that you can't center a trilogy around COnners but still it doesn't warrant a one movie sequel

 

[Spider-Fan]

Who said you have to center the trilogy around Lizard... he can just be the opening first movie villain... but you certainly can have other players in the background... true it's the best story left... but that doesn't mean its good enough... as you admitted yourself... it's a downgrade... Carnage is the only guy left but he is lame as hell... that's why SM3 needs to be the last... would be waste of a film and it would probably end the franchise if they just did a SPidey saving lizard from a hunter in a Halloween costume flick... whatever opinion you have on that... you know it can't make much more than 300 million especially with cast changes... then the franchise becomes Batman overnight... I agree though that you can't center a trilogy around COnners but still it doesn't warrant a one movie sequel

Again, I see the cast doing one more, so I don't see that as an issue for the 4th movie.

Spider-Man with the Lizard as a villain could still gross 350+. Spider-Man still has a wide appeal, so don't underestimate the draw.

Plus, since the movie would be cheaper, it will be easier to get a profit. Also like I said, Lizard provides a good story and good conflicts. It puts Peter in a new position. Kraven works best as the side villain, since he would see Lizard as the ultimate prey, until he encounters Spider-Man. I see that making an excellent 4th movie. Better than the ones for Batman or Superman at the very least.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They can make more easily,all they have to do is make a good movie that will entertain moviegoers.And the Lizard would be a villain that the moviegoers would get a kick out of,and it would even make them want a S-M5.

But the hard part is what new things can Peter himself go through after part 3that will entertain the moviegoers.

 

[ang_hulk]

no.

 

[SLYspyder]

Ziskin already confirmed they "plan on 6 Spider-Man movies". Last 3 hopefully with a new cast. And there are plenty of good villains to go around. Don't forget this is a comic, so villains can always be ressurected.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ziskin already confirmed they "plan on 6 Spider-Man movies". Last 3 hopefully with a new cast. And there are plenty of good villains to go around. Don't forget this is a comic, so villains can always be ressurected.

There is a key word in that statment, and that is "plan". Plans don't always go the way you want. In this case, I highly doubt we will get up to 6. I think 4, but 6 is pushing it, unless the last three had a new cast. Spidey has the villains for more movies, but I doubt they will do 6. 6 movies is a lot.

 

[FaT_tONle]

There is a key word in that statment, and that is "plan". Plans don't always go the way you want. In this case, I highly doubt we will get up to 6. I think 4, but 6 is pushing it, unless the last three had a new cast. Spidey has the villains for more movies, but I doubt they will do 6. 6 movies is a lot.

Once again you assume everyone will be back... what good is bringing the cast back if you aren't gonna fill in the holes to the saga... the holes will already be complete... Golin legacy is complete... why would they bring em all back... Brock is dead too... no room to continue the Venom saga... Sandman is dead... Ock is presumed dead... MJ/Peter relationship may finally come full circle... especially since she won't die... why do they need to bring em all back for one more??? Use some common sense... if they plan six make two trilogies.... tis is as simple as dat.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Once again you assume everyone will be back... what good is bringing the cast back if you aren't gonna fill in the holes to the saga... the holes will already be complete... Golin legacy is complete... why would they bring em all back... Brock is dead too... no room to continue the Venom saga... Sandman is dead... Ock is presumed dead... MJ/Peter relationship may finally come full circle... especially since she won't die... why do they need to bring em all back for one more??? Use some common sense... if they plan six make two trilogies.... tis is as simple as dat.

Why would they bring everyone back? Isn't there a whole lot of people saying they wouldn't go see more movies if they were recasted? That is why the studio would do it. Get the sure money with the cast, as opposed to risking the next block of three being as successful when people are saying they wouldn't watch recasted movies.

Again, I'll stress this, 6 movies will most likely not happen. You can't plan for six. This franchise after recasting won't have the same BO potential, so there won't be legs for 6 movies. Reviving the franchise later, ala Batman, is a better idea.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Why would they bring everyone back? Isn't there a whole lot of people saying they wouldn't go see more movies if they were recasted? That is why the studio would do it. Get the sure money with the cast, as opposed to risking the next block of three being as successful when people are saying they wouldn't watch recasted movies.

Again, I'll stress this, 6 movies will most likely not happen. You can't plan for six. This franchise after recasting won't have the same BO potential, so there won't be legs for 6 movies. Reviving the franchise later, ala Batman, is a better idea.

You'll agree it has to end somewhere if it won't make it to 6... why should it keep continuing??? Until the movie flops? Fair enough... but I'm sure Sony has this in mind... resigning Raimi and Tobey for a one time deal will put this movie with another 200 million dollar budget is not a safe risk... I think I already had this conversation with you anyways so we just have to agree to disagree... not worth resigning the cast if I was Sony... there is no more story to tell with the existing loose ends... Spiderman the "beginning" is finished as far as I am concerned... Sony knows they won't make as much even if everyone came back.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You'll agree it has to end somewhere if it won't make it to 6... why should it keep continuing??? Until the movie flops? Fair enough... but I'm sure Sony has this in mind... resigning Raimi and Tobey for a one time deal will put this movie with another 200 million dollar budget is not a safe risk... I think I already had this conversation with you anyways so we just have to agree to disagree... not worth resigning the cast if I was Sony... there is no more story to tell with the existing loose ends... Spiderman the "beginning" is finished as far as I am concerned... Sony knows they won't make as much even if everyone came back.

They would. Look at what other comic movies make. not nearly as much as Spidey. He makes 900+ worldwide. If they could flesh out the 900+ mil franchise one more time, the 200 mil spent is worth it. It is better than making new 125 mil projects that make 300-400 worldwide, or outright flop. That is why I feel Sony does one more with this cast/crew, and then takes some years off and redoes the franchise later.

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

My theory...

I think the only way to top Spider-man 3 is to bring back the symbiote... Most of us already know that this will be the end for Eddie Brock... But there's still no mention, on it being the end of the symbiote...

What if for four, they bring in Scorpian, Lizard, Chameleon, & Spidey slowly changing into the Man-Spider... (Setting up for the climatic Spider-man 5?)

But wait, there's more... What if the symbiote bonded with Scorpian towards the end? Then as a cliffhanger, they could have Peter rapidily tranforming into the Man-Spider... And also have Green Goblin *Norman* excaping from the grave...

That would probally break Spider-mans 3 records... In theory that is...

 

[GoldGoblin]

They should tweak Mysterio where Mysterio can shapeshift into anyone with his holographic equipment.

Then in S-M4 he can go around and mess Peter's life up.Like what if Mysterio was disguised as Peter for some reason and John comes up to him and wants to fight him,then as they are fighting,Mysterio's holographic equipment gets hit and Mysterio transforms into spidey.

Then Mysterio kills John in this fight,and the news shows up just as spidey is scene killing John.Then JJJ creates the Scorpion to hunt and kill spidey.

Spidey investigates to try and find out who has framed him while the Scorpion is on his tail.Maybe some other villains can be thrown into it...

 

[FaT_tONle]

My theory...

I think the only way to top Spider-man 3 is to bring back the symbiote... Most of us already know that this will be the end for Eddie Brock... But there's still no mention, on it being the end of the symbiote...

What if for four, they bring in Scorpian, Lizard, Chameleon, & Spidey slowly changing into the Man-Spider... (Setting up for the climatic Spider-man 5?)

But wait, there's more... What if the symbiote bonded with Scorpian towards the end? Then as a cliffhanger, they could have Peter rapidily tranforming into the Man-Spider... And also have Green Goblin *Norman* excaping from the grave...

That would probally break Spider-mans 3 records... In theory that is...

TO reply to SPiderfan for a minute... movies like these are costing around 300 million these days... you can be sure the budget would be 250-300 for SM4... also this version of SM4 is sounding like Batman & Robin... the thing that kills SM4 is Brock dying... I certainly think Venom can carry his own movie... but not Carnage. I am pretty much convinced that any of these combos would be flops beyond belief for a SPidey film... Scorpion/Lizard... Chameleon/Hopgoblin, or whatever... I know this will be the last film... at least the last good film... so I am happy for that much... let's not get greedy and ****e this franchise out like 90% of us here would agree.

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

TO reply to SPiderfan for a minute... movies like these are costing around 300 million these days... you can be sure the budget would be 250-300 for SM4... also this version of SM4 is sounding like Batman & Robin... the thing that kills SM4 is Brock dying... I certainly think Venom can carry his own movie... but not Carnage. I am pretty much convinced that any of these combos would be flops beyond belief for a SPidey film... Scorpion/Lizard... Chameleon/Hopgoblin, or whatever... I know this will be the last film... at least the last good film... so I am happy for that much... let's not get greedy and ****e this franchise out like 90% of us here would agree.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I just state the truth... I ain't interested in seeing Lizard and Scorpion team ups and what not... we already got Venom/Sandman... it will only get worse...

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

I just state the truth... I ain't interested in seeing Lizard and Scorpion team ups and what not... we already got Venom/Sandman... it will only get worse...

Maybe others are? Maybe the theory I stated can stay true to the comics?

 

[Spencer9]

you can do it I think make more. Lizard has his own movie. Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino, Hydro-Man could all be side-villains. Mysterio I think could actually hold a movie. They got enough villains hell throw in Carnage.

 

[FaT_tONle]

you can do it I think make more. Lizard has his own movie. Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino, Hydro-Man could all be side-villains. Mysterio I think could actually hold a movie. They got enough villains hell throw in Carnage.

No wonder Batman died...

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

No wonder Batman died...

The movie died, not because it had multiple villians...It died because they had a crap-factory of a staff helming the movie...Duhhh.

 

[Yurka]

The movie died, not because it had multiple villians...It died because they had a crap-factory of a staff helming the movie...Duhhh.

agreed, shumacher plunged that franchise right into the crapper

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

agreed, shumacher plunged that franchise right into the crapper

Thank you.... But please don't say his name... I still get goosebumps...

 

[FaT_tONle]

The movie died, not because it had multiple villians...It died because they had a crap-factory of a staff helming the movie...Duhhh.

Agreed... but look at how X3 sh:tted on some characters... are you gonna trust a new director if it came to that? Already ppl are pissed at Raimi and thw writers for changes in this one... now you bring in a new director and what if they give you a kids movie... might as well get SPiderman and Black Cat for SM4... I don't trust it... there isn't a better plot out there than Lizard Kraven... nothing else works for me unless they bring in some new key players... keep in mind Spidey was never about the villains... it was about the relationships these villains had to Parker (as well as his friends and family)... you telling me Hydroman, Scorpion, blah blah blah are going to have deep relationships and psychological impact on Peter Parker... I think not... you know it can't work forever... look at Batman Begins... Ra's Al Ghul was his former mentor.... Sandman and Joker (Burton) murdered (the hero's) father figures respectively... you can't just throw in random villains in there.

 

[prluver]

she cant be killed they need to make spider-girl.

Then kill her off. I haven't seen a good Kirsten film in a while...I think the Spider-Man films are great for her.

 

[Spider-Fan]

TO reply to SPiderfan for a minute... movies like these are costing around 300 million these days... you can be sure the budget would be 250-300 for SM4... also this version of SM4 is sounding like Batman & Robin... the thing that kills SM4 is Brock dying... I certainly think Venom can carry his own movie... but not Carnage. I am pretty much convinced that any of these combos would be flops beyond belief for a SPidey film... Scorpion/Lizard... Chameleon/Hopgoblin, or whatever... I know this will be the last film... at least the last good film... so I am happy for that much... let's not get greedy and ****e this franchise out like 90% of us here would agree.

When you have a proven crew doing a 4th movie, I can see it turning out well. A new trilogy is a bigger risk than doing a 4th film with the same people, as a new crew could screw it up royally, ala Batman franchise. Like I said, Lizard has a personal relationship with Spider-Man, so there is a good story there. Spider-Man 4 with the Lizard as the main villain would be good. I think Sony will end up doing this. Throwing in new directors, etc is what killed Batman, not villains. Raimi has shown he can do stories, so he definately could make a 4th film.