To All You Non-Believers

[Frodo]

The film could have 6 villians , if the plot is shakey it won't be a decent film. Inevitably , time will be devoted to ALL of the new characters and returning characters.

You'll have,Harry's struggle, The symboite subplot,Eddie Brock/Venom, Sandman, Gwen , George, M.J, , Sandman's family, and Aunt May to contend with .

I think the film is probably gonna end up pretty long and several scenes will have to be sacrificed for times sake for the final cut. If that happens that may end up hurting the plot when audiences see the final cut .

I hope I'm wrong and the film turns good but ,i've seen this story before so i'm skeptical. No francise is immune from taking a bad turn. Just ask the orignal Batman, Superman and the Star Trek producers to name a few.

I Don't hold anything against those who are optomistic , just saying I am not optimistic.

 

[ultimatefan]

I used to think multiple villains would be a bad idea cuz of Batman Returns and the Schumacher ones, but Batman Begins proved to me you can make it work and still make the movie about the hero, not the villains.

 

[TrueBeliever]

Sinister Six for Spider-Man 6!

I'll be saying that repeatedly for the next couple years...

Anyway. Unlike the imdb boards say, while I have my problems with the decisions made in the Spider-Man movie series, I would never put it in the same position as the worst of the Batman films. That's just horrible.

While I was worried about the timing for three villains, hearing that four villains will be in the next one doesn't really bother me that much.

If Rami thinks he can take that on without a headache, more power to him.

Nice sig line, Ultimatefan.

 

[Spawn187]

I know most of you are skeptical about the addition of multiple characters and villains because you feel it will lessen their characters and not give each character their proper screentime and justice...but i dont see any reason for us to be

1) Raimi doesn't HAVE to give every single character a great amount of screentime and give every one complete justice...he just has to tell a good story that will captivate and entertain the audience.

2) This movie isn't titled "Gwen Stacy" "Captain Stacy" "GG" "Sandman" or "Venom"...its "Spider-man" He's the only character that really needs justice, the other characters just add to HIS story.

Im 100% confident Sam will come through, give each character justice (even though he doesnt HAVE to) and make an amazing 3rd movie


Now im sure most of you will want this closed and thats fine, i just wanted to help people open up to this idea a bit more and trust that Raimi will make an incredible movie

You make good points but you have got to underdig that the villians are just as important with no villians you have no hero. besides who wants to see spierman save kids balloons for 2 hours not me.

 

[Spawn187]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but do you have a link for this? I'm curious to see what kind of pressure the studio may have had with characters in this film. I haven't heard of sony butting in.

Its the fans fault venom is in this one. I saw spiderman 1 5 times and spiderman 2 about 3 or 4 and i must say each time there were a hand full of people saying i hope they do venom next, or venoms next watch its going to be awsome. The people who make these movies take alot of fan input example "ironman" has its own myspace board asking who should be cast what should the suit look like etc.etc. I know i am not the only one who heard people saying they want venom. So some of the spidey fans have to point the finger at them selves.

 

[Spawn187]

why would sony want venom?....... if anything they shouldnt want him.

that way they can stretch out the series and makes TRILLIONS OF $$$$$$

I have been saying this from the begining that would have given them the oppertunity to tryout other classic characters in 4 and 5 (lizard, rhino, shocker,etc.) and if one of the films sucked they can bring the franchise back to life with the venom saga. thats not saying that a movie with rhino or shocker would suck but it would just be a better plan b.

 

[iceberg325]

I have been saying this from the begining that would have given them the oppertunity to tryout other classic characters in 4 and 5 (lizard, rhino, shocker,etc.) and if one of the films sucked they can bring the franchise back to life with the venom saga. thats not saying that a movie with rhino or shocker would suck but it would just be a better plan b.

Yes but if the full cast is not going to come back for the next spidey, I would rather them do venom now and make it good. What if raimi doesnt come back for the fourth, and venom would be left to another director?

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Yes but if the full cast is not going to come back for the next spidey, I would rather them do venom now and make it good. What if raimi doesnt come back for the fourth, and venom would be left to another director?

exactly you must be reading my thoughts.

 

[Truthteller]

Yeah i meant "non-believers" my bad...

Fixed that.

And I suspect Raimi will make another great SPIDER-MAN movie no matter which optional characters he chooses to use.

 

[Silverstein]

I don't see the problem. With Venom appearing in the last 10 minutes of the film, you only have 3 villains. The third villain could simply appear at the very beginning or be a catalyst to sandman or GG2. Meaning we get one villain in the first 10 minutes and one in the last.

That gives us only 2 villains to work with in the whole movie. Sandman and GG2. No one was worried when we thought it was only 2 major villains. Well, it's still only 2....so what's the problem? Batman Begins had 2 villains and no one complained.

And Harry/GG2 can be explained in like 10 minutes. You don't need much of a back story for him because his "backstory" is the last two films. We already know his motivation, like everything is cool, there's no problem.

And Sandman is a thief with powers. He's not some mastermind. He's only a problem for spidey because he's got some nifty powers there. But he's an idiot compared to spidey. So his story wouldn't be much too involved.


In other words there's still time, with all of the villains, to flesh out Peter Parker's life and supporting characters as well!!!!

 

[SM71]

Sandman's backstory won't take long. Supposedly he's hiding out on the beach and is involved in an accident, giving him his powers. 5 minutes right there.

GG's backstory is already there. Harry just has to put on the costume and start chucking some bombs.

Venom's story will unfold throughout the whole movie, with Brock's story and the black costume. When he gets the costume, BAM! You have Venom.

4th villain? Hopefully somebody minor (someone mentioned Rhino---that'd be easy to do for just a couple minutes). This assuming it is an ACTUAL villain, not just an antagonist. Hell, maybe JJJ becomes a "villain" in some sense of the word.

Pete and MJ's story is already there. We just have to see 1 scene of him doing some silly Spidey-type stuff around the house and 1 scene of MJ dealing with the issues and stresses that come from being with Spidey, especially after he gets the black suit. MJ and Pete don't have to have a ton of screen time together.

Captain Stacy and Gwen will be interesting. Shouldn't take too long to set that up, with him being a Captain in the NYPD. He'll pop up in the first part of the movie with Gwen, and we'll have a short scene with her and Peter, like a "reunited"-type scene.

Obligatory Aunt May scene. 5-10 minutes at most.

If this movie is over 2 hours, which it probably will be (enough with this 3 hour nonsense---not gonna happen), everything will be fine. Raimi knows how to tell a story, and the previous 2 movies have laid a lot of the groundwork for this one. Stop panicking. Nothing from the first 2 films has given me any reason to doubt Raimi's ability to pull off whatever he wants.

Exactly what i'm thinkin, good analysis, good post Everything can work out just fine.

 

[SM71]

Fixed that.

And I suspect Raimi will make another great SPIDER-MAN movie no matter which optional characters he chooses to use.

Thanks Truthteller, and i agree

 

[SM71]

Off topic, but IF venom is going to be done in the spiderman franchise and IF this is Raimi's last movie, then i would definitely prefer raimi to do venom in this one, cause if i new director took over venom for 4 or somethin then the movie would be all about venom, he would only focus on his physical aspect and power, and you most likely wouldn't get a good background story. We know raimi cares about character development and what not so I think he'll have good balance between brock's story, his relationship with Parker, and his power and insanity as venom...not just a brute strength blood bath movie (which would be kinda cool tho)

 

[SM71]

Did you not see any of the X-men movies? That was the biggest flaw in them. close this crap

I'm not saying that character development isn't important, its the most important thing of all for a good movie..it gets you involved and actually care about the people you're watching... what i'm trying to say is that you dont' have to give EVERYONE justice..mainly the people you need to tell the story and to tell a good story about Peter Parker

Just becuase someone is in the movie doesnt mean you have to tell everything about who they are, where they came from, how they got here, etc... im sure each character will be given justice but as long as there is a good story that gets you involved its not 100% necessary for every character

 

[Mephistophelian]

I think that maybe it will be a nice fit only if two of "main" villains appear mostly, such as Sandman and Osborn (happy with either goblins btw, both because of continuity and cause it's unlikely we'll have one more goblin added to the spider-movies, it would just seem stale). Then, just a few moments for minor villains (like the Lizard, Rhino ect.) and a few teaser moments for the villain in the 4th, should there be one. But if it's a corrupted Spidey, whatever, I just want to see Venom done justice personally, and time would certainly help that out. I also think it would add a much needed action-esque quality in these films that I think they largely lack if they include all the villains in most scenes...I just think the movies should be about SPIDER-MAN, not Peter like that last two, well for the most part of those plots anyways. What I'm saying is a nice balence of Spider-man action in this one would be cool, combined with the dramatics of the first two...but then again...adding Gwen...hmmm...it seems to be getting squished so hopefully it doesn't end with the whole movie in Peter struggling with himself when he's already the hero from the first two, villains should define the hero in this movie. The Goblin and Sandman being the frontrunners...for now...

 

[Venomosity]

Your grammer...like your logic... "suck"

like i said i dont' want enemies and i dont wana piss people off...but if you don't agree with me thats fine, you dont' have to talk ****

Grammar* Sorry, I just had to say that.

I agree with you btw.

 

[Venom1998]

Just keep faith in Sam

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

I pray for this film every night jk
not k

 

['N']

thank you z, everyone thinks these superhero movies r about the bad guys versus good guys, to a point it is BUT the movies are bout the hero and his struggles...sometimes villians

 

[eXperiment]

I know most of you are skeptical about the addition of multiple characters and villains because you feel it will lessen their characters and not give each character their proper screentime and justice...but i dont see any reason for us to be

1) Raimi doesn't HAVE to give every single character a great amount of screentime and give every one complete justice...he just has to tell a good story that will captivate and entertain the audience.

2) This movie isn't titled "Gwen Stacy" "Captain Stacy" "GG" "Sandman" or "Venom"...its "Spider-man" He's the only character that really needs justice, the other characters just add to HIS story.

Im 100% confident Sam will come through, give each character justice (even though he doesnt HAVE to) and make an amazing 3rd movie


Now im sure most of you will want this closed and thats fine, i just wanted to help people open up to this idea a bit more and trust that Raimi will make an incredible movie

AMEN!!!

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Off topic, but IF venom is going to be done in the spiderman franchise and IF this is Raimi's last movie, then i would definitely prefer raimi to do venom in this one, cause if i new director took over venom for 4 or somethin then the movie would be all about venom, he would only focus on his physical aspect and power, and you most likely wouldn't get a good background story. We know raimi cares about character development and what not so I think he'll have good balance between brock's story, his relationship with Parker, and his power and insanity as venom...not just a brute strength blood bath movie (which would be kinda cool tho)

This is exactly what i think. They are going to build up Peter being bad with the symbiote on. Then you get a distraught Eddie Brock. What do you get after that. Venom! Venom won't be through out the whole movie physicaly. But mentaly he will be.

 

[gangsta_crizzab]

I know most of you are skeptical about the addition of multiple characters and villains because you feel it will lessen their characters and not give each character their proper screentime and justice...but i dont see any reason for us to be

1) Raimi doesn't HAVE to give every single character a great amount of screentime and give every one complete justice...he just has to tell a good story that will captivate and entertain the audience.

2) This movie isn't titled "Gwen Stacy" "Captain Stacy" "GG" "Sandman" or "Venom"...its "Spider-man" He's the only character that really needs justice, the other characters just add to HIS story.

Im 100% confident Sam will come through, give each character justice (even though he doesnt HAVE to) and make an amazing 3rd movie


Now im sure most of you will want this closed and thats fine, i just wanted to help people open up to this idea a bit more and trust that Raimi will make an incredible movie

I totally agree. Raimi will give more focus to Spider-Man, because that is who the movie is about. I love the way that he has shaped and molded the movieverse spidey, and I hope that he will further develop this character in the third movie (and he also need to throw in some classic spidey wit in the third one, that would make the movie a lot sweeter for me What I don't want this movie to be is an enjoyable eye candy showcase that totally removes the focus on spidey and instead focus on some fancy villain like Venom. The same thing happened in Tim Burton's Batman, the movie was enjoyable and the effects were great, but the joker stole the show from the caped crusader. I love Jack Nicholson and his portrayal of the character, but there was too much focus on his character, and not enough on bats himself. I hope they do Venom justice, he is one of my favorite spidey characters, but the movie will still be excellent even if they kinda dilute the character of Venom, and focus more on spidey, because the name of the movie is "Spider-Man 3", not "Venom's Revenge 3"

 

[ISHMAEL]

this movie is not that crammed to me Sam has been planning this since nov 2004 he gave it another year to develop instead of it coming out this year.
Hes had this long to think about he must know what he's doing he'd be a dumbass to make two great movies and **** it all up in the third because of more villains or characters to me the movies are pretty boring with just 1 villain because all the backstory with the third you dont have to explain much but sandman venom not that much because spidey actions in the symboite tell venom's story and the fourth villain will probably be the symboite or the lizard who is already explained

 

[ComicKoryn]

from what I can gather, this movie isn't some 4 villain romp with 4 bad guys going at Spidey the whole movie. It seems to be shaping up that Sandman will be the main villain with the others building along the sides. To me, if they handle the pacing correctly and give each villain enough development so it doesn't seem rushed, I can see this movie turning out to be the best of the 3.

 

[iceberg325]

IMO the 2 main villians will be GG and sandman. Raimi has to foucs on the GG/harry story also. The end of spidey 2 leads directly into that story. Venom will be last 10 minutes and I think the 4th villian will be someone small. Hopefully when comic con come along, they give us some good info.